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[0.24.2] Taverio's Pizza and Aerospace v1.7.1 (22/09)

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Taverio's Pizza and Aerospace

v1.7.1

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Mostly this pack will be of interest to you because it brings stock spaceplane parts (and those from a few mods) into line with the balance from B9 Aerospace, since I use the same spreadsheets to generate the numbers for both.

This pack contains the stuff I add to KSP to make flying spaceplanes fun for me.

Wings, jet engines, spacecraft fuselages, all of the spaceplane stuff is rebalanced the way I like it. The balance is heavily towards realism. In general this makes things a bit harder.

There's also a few custom parts for things I thought were missing, as well as parts by other modders who were kind enough to let me include them. Its a big of a hodgepodge, really.

This pack doesn't touch (for the most part) non-spaceplane parts. I suggest you grab the Stock Rebalance mod to get everything else nicely balanced as well. Squad is still busy adding features, so they're not too concerned with balance polish yet.

And before you ask, I don't use Tweakscale because to bend it to my will is a major undertaking, and because it chokes hard on switchable fuel tanks, powered by FireSpitter or ModularFuelTanks/RealFuels.

Since this mod adds switchable fuel tanks to all stock and SP+ fuselages, don't scale those parts or very strange things will happen.

Rescaled and variant stock parts:

  • Tailfin (2 sizes).
  • AV-R8 Winglet (2 sizes).
  • Delta-Deluxe Winglet (2 sizes).
  • Swept Wing (5 sizes).
  • Landing Gear (3 sizes).
  • 0.625m (probe size) diameter Mk1 spaceplane fuselages, jet engines, intakes and nacelles.
  • Heavier, stronger small hardpoint actually able to support an engine.
  • Faster, heavier, far more power-hungry sort-of-balanced racing versions of the medium wheels, with torque curves based on the Tesla Roadster.
  • 1.25m Cubic and Octo Strut.
  • 0.625m Girders & Adapter.

Additional parts:

  • Mk2 and Mk3 alternate adapters (flat upper side rather than lower).
  • Mk2 to 2xMk1 BiCoupler.
  • Asymmetrical Airplane Tail fuselage part.
  • High supersonic range ramjet engine.
  • SR-71 style shock cone intake.
  • UAV probe core with internal camera view, pan & zoom.
  • 2 very small UAV/Ultralight-size jet engines.
  • Conformal RCS tanks in 2 sizes.
  • Lots of extra wings.
  • A stronger, longer strut to lash it all together.

Balance notes:

  • All wings and control surfaces balanced to vary in lift/drag/mass/connection strength realistically but still be in the stock value range.
  • All spaceplane fuselages actually given sensible, scaled values for mass/capacity/connection strengths.
  • All jet engines given pseudo-realistic Isp and Speed curves. Its not AJE, but at least its not fairyland.
  • All intakes tweaked to have proper drag per intake area.
  • All rover wheels have had their speed and steering curves redone for a smoother driving experience. The motors now behave roughly like real induction motors, and are generally much better at climbing inclines.
  • All landing gear have had their impact and connection strength values adjusted. They're still floppy, but its better than nothing.
  • Quite a few parts with visibly wrong attach nodes have had their attach node positions tweaked.
  • Spaceplane fuselage parts now have switchable fuel tanks, powered either by Firespitter (included) or ModularFuelTanks/RealFuels.
  • Additional spaceplane fuselage versions that varied only in resource contents - from previous versions of TVPP, and the structural MK1 - have been hidden from the parts list and tech tree.

Edits to mods:

  • NovaPunch2's winglets have had their mass/cost/lift/drag/connections redone. They also now support FAR|NEAR.
  • Spaceplane+'s wings have had their mass/cost/lift/drag/connections redone. Some errors in the provided FAR/NEAR files have been fixed.
  • SP+'s fuselages have had their mass/cost/connection/capacity redone. The Fuel versions now have switchable fuel tanks powered by Firespitter (included) or ModularFuelTanks/RealFuels. The previously dry fuselage sections now have switchable FS/MFT/RF fuel tanks too.
  • SP+ fuselages rendered redundant by the above are hidden from the parts list and tech tree.

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Backup your save.

Install the 'Gamedata' directory for the main mod files.

For the camera in the Ballshark to function you will also need to have HullCamVDS installed. It will work fine (without the cool camera) if you don't have it.

Requires ModuleManager.2.4.4.dll or later (included).

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Ramjets are hard to use. You'll need to be going at least 1100m/s to successfully transition to ramjet propulsion, and since the Turbojets about stop going there (like the real ones) this will be hard.

Don't try to use them for spaceplanes, they're designed to go real fast in-atmosphere.

Spaceplane fuselages now have the correct capacities for their volume (adjusted for greater inert fraction to account for the much greater impact and connection strength values). If you try to build planes stock-style just using fuel sections everywhere, you're going to have a hard time getting off the ground.

You don't need nearly as many fuel tanks - you can get around the world in on a single Mk2 fuel tank if you design right, so use the structural sections. They're there for a reason.

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Downloads

KerbalStuff

Curseforge

Bitbucket

Please report bugs on the Issue Tracker

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- v1.7.1

- v1.7

  • The stock drag model is now unsupported. While parts will balanced, FAR|NEAR are now considered a dependency.
  • Update ModuleManager to v2.4.4.
  • Recompile KineTechAnimation with KSP v0.24.2.
  • Cost fixes everywhere.
  • Redone mass/capacity for fuselages.
  • Fixed numerous errors in NTBI .cfg.
  • Clean up MM code, detect NEAR where appropriate.
  • Add FireSpitter git a99fc36c.
  • Use FSfuelSwitch in fuselages.
  • KSP-AVC support.
  • Replace basic prop script with FireSpitter alternative.
  • Customized ModularFuelTanks|RealFuels support.
  • Deprecate and hide extra fuel-type specific spaceplane fuselages.
  • Tweak turbojet velocity curve.
  • Increase gimbal range on turbofan and turbojet.
  • Fix drag on Radial/Nacelle body.
  • Remove custom RAPIER curves introduced in v1.6.2 - the ones in FAR|NEAR are similar enough.
  • Moved MKx adapters to propulsion category.
  • Updated DA BallShark plugin.
  • Add ModuleManager patch to bring Spaceplane+ in line with TVPP and B9.
  • Add FSwheelAlignment to stock wheels.
  • Add Deadly Reentry support.
  • Add CrossFeedEnabler support to TVPP conformal tanks.
  • Redone torque and steering curves, resource usage on all stock wheels.
  • Set mass of landing gear to 0 since its hard-coded to physics-less.
  • DA TJ100 now only works when model is visually deployed.

- v1.6.4

  • Fix NTBI short 1m CtrlSurf Part.name

- v1.6.3
  • Fix MM Operators for NTBI SW1 and NP2 winglets.

- v1.6.2

  • New RAPIER curves.
  • Mk2 node sizes back 1.
  • Fix broken floatCurve replaces.
  • Support MM patches changing ModuleEngines to ModuleEnginesFX.

- v1.6.1

  • Update ModuleManager to 2.1.5.
  • Split MM files to make it easier to remove extra parts.
  • Use ctrlSurfFrac to inform FAR about the moving % of control surfaces.
  • Compatibility with Stock Rebalance mod.
  • Integrate a few tweaks from Stock Rebalance for compatibility.
  • Fix extra stock parts with replaced mesh missing MODEL.scale.
  • Fix missing node definition on Mk3 Adapter Alternate.

- v1.6

  • Update for 0.23.5 changes.
  • Move everything possible into the ModuleManager Patch files.
  • Minor fixes.
  • RW Improved trusses integrated into main mod.
  • NovaPunch winglet support integrated with ModuleManager.

- v1.5.1

  • Update small versions of stock jets to use the proper heat animations.
  • Fix for stock engine nacelle doing 3x as much drag as it should for its intake size.
  • Update small engine nacelle using new base area values.
  • Update alternator values on engines as appropriate.
  • Hook in R&D.
    • TurboJet moved to Supersonic, cost/entry cost decreased.
    • Decrease cost for Mk2/Mk3 adapters as these don't have fuel here.

    [*]New wing data based on 3 decimal point precision measurements of mesh vertexes.

    • FAR already has these measurements, FAR data for stock wings removed.

  • Override FAR's thrust levels for jets, if present.
  • Convert remaining .png textures to .tga for faster loading and proper MipMap generation.
  • Remove TT's mods from Extra, I don't use them any more.
  • Remove KSPX fixes from Extra, they are now in the base mod v0.2.4.
  • Add RW Improved Trusses to Extra and hook it into R&D.
  • Redo Novapunch winglet rebalance as a ModuleManager file, with new vertex-based measurements of the wings.

- v1.5

  • Use ModuleManager to overwite stock configs.
  • Optimize compression on a few .png textures.
  • Use better formula for unitScalar/maxIntakeSpeed for off-mass intakes.

- 1.4.1

  • Fix node on small AirScoop.
  • Update Extras.

- v1.4

  • Add content from DA-TV UAV Pack
    • Ballshark UAV core.
    • Bonusjet and Tiny Jet engines.

    [*]Add Tapered Wings.

    [*]Redo all wing values from new formulas.

    [*]Animate Cone Intake with KTechAnimation plugin.

- v1.3.5

  • Update to 0.20 file structure.
  • Add structural Mk2/Mk3 fuselages.
  • Update Heavy strut to new .mu model.
  • Tweak Mk3 fuselage node positions by a few cm.
  • Fix some missed node sizes on a couple of 0.625m parts.

- v1.3.4

  • New thrust/mass/isp values for turbofans, from a new formula.
  • Adjusted spin times on jets to be faster.
  • Small fix to FAR values for stock control surfaces.
  • unitScalar drag fix for small ram-air intake.

- v1.3.3

  • Merge stock and FAR configs.
  • Add some more NTBI variations.
    • 12x8 with straight trailing edge.
    • 9x6 both types.
    • 5x4 tailfin.
    • 3x1.5 and 3x3 rectangular.
    • 2m large flap.
    • 0.5m & 1m small flap.

    [*]Rename NTBI directories for better sorting.

    [*]Mk1/2/3 connection strength increased.

    [*]Normalize intake drag per unit area.

- v1.3.2

  • Tweak volume and inert mass for Mk2 and Mk3.
  • Increase connection strenghts for Mk1.
  • Various node size tweaks as FAR uses these for exposed node drag.
  • Add relatively balanced turbo rover wheel.
  • Minor bug fixes in wings.

- v1.3.1

  • Fixed visual fx event triggers for Ramjets
  • NTBI Airplane Style Wing Parts now included in the main package.
  • Case fixes for linux.

- v1.3

  • Major rebalance pass on pretty much everything.
  • Added two conformal RCS tanks.
  • Redid some of the models.
  • More attach node tweaks.
  • Normalized attach rules on stock winglets.

- v1.2.3

  • Mk2 Fuselage - Rocket Fuel pointed to wrong model.

- v1.2.2

  • Fix part name for small fuselage empennage.
  • Fix calculation error for larger swept wing mass.
  • Adjust Turbofan, Ramjet Isp on the basis of relative TSFC from turbojet.

- v1.2.1

  • Fix typo in spinup value for turbofans.

- v1.2

  • Second balance pass on air-breathing engines.
  • Many name and description and attachment node tweaks.
  • Second balance pass on Mk2/Mk3 fuselage sections capacity/weight.
  • Tailfin: large size rescale factor error fixed.
  • Avionic nosecone: Tweak attach node and rescale factor for looks.
  • AV-R8 Winglet: add medium and large sizes added, rename default to small.
  • Delta-Deluxe Winglet: medium size added, rename default to small.
  • Add Empennage Fuselage Section, S and M.

- v1.1

  • Add shock cone intakes.
  • Add ramjet engines.
  • Rename Basic Jet to Turbofan.
  • Rebalance Turbofan, Turbojet, Ramjet with data from NASA EngineSim.
  • Fix visual FX on small turbofan.
  • Fix visual and sound FX on small turbojet.
  • Add JellyCube's Mk2 BiCoupler, converted to .mu with specular and normal.
  • Tweak Mk2/3 fuselage attach nodes.
  • Add retextured rocket fuel Mk2/Mk3 fuselage.
  • Convert rkman's alternative spaceplane adapters to .mu and add specular and normal.
  • Make landing gear lighter.

- v1.0

  • Initial release.
  • Consolidated v0.16-era packages.
  • v0.18 compatible.
    • Updated gear, inlet, engine models.
    • Redone fuselage dry weight and fuel capacities
    • Update all relevant parts to new .cfg syntax.
    • Reset engine stats to stock, double Basic Jet impulse.

    [*]Add half-size Mk1 fuselage.

    [*]Add half-size tail.

    [*]Add double-size tailfin.

    [*]Add half-size air scoop inlet.

    [*]Add alternate spaceplane adapters by rkman.

    [*]Add Heavy novapunch strut by Tiberion.

    [*]Add example crafts.

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This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 Unported License.

Alternative spaceplane adapters remodel by rkman, originally by C7, used with permission: Forums

Heavy Strut from Novapunch, edit by Tiberion, originally by HarvesteR, used with permission: Forums

Mk2 BiCoupler by JellyGoggles, based on work by C7, used with permission: Forums

NTBI Airplane Style Wing Parts, by ac14, used with permission: Spaceport

Ballshark, Bonusjet and Tinyjet by DYJ, used with permission.

All other models by Squad.

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So is it just regular plane parts but bigger?

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I like this. I tried it and my plane designing just got even more complicated. I even somehow managed to get into sub-orbital with 4 ramjets, apo. ~100km, but anyways, I love it!

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I even somehow managed to get into sub-orbital with 4 ramjets, apo. ~100km, but anyways, I love it!

That's kind of why people are doing ram/scramjet research.

Unfortunately the models in KSP don't allow me to make a ramjet that will keep you up @ 19k but won't get you suborbital without switching to scramjet, but I'm still pretty happy with the stats. :)

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yay, now suborbital flights are easy! unfortunately, there\'s really nothing to use them for, ATM, but its good practice. And its fun to see if I can successfully launch a Mechjeb equipped rocket into orbit after carrying it up to 55KM.

Thanks!

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Nice work, I\'d just started wondering whether to go to all the trouble myself, glad you beat me to it! :)

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My dream.

EDIT: Wow that totally fucked me over. For some reason my MK1fuselage isn\'t loading up. I even copied one from stock and put it in.

There goes my entire .16 folder...

EDIT: Fixed it. Do not download the scaled fuselages pack.

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tried downloading all the files and its one single file or folder, not even a rar/zip. doesnt work.

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In the first aero engine picture, what plugin/addon is that with the laser guidance stuff?

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It\'s called Romfarer_LazorSystem, you can find it in the pugin development forum.

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tried downloading all the files and its one single file or folder, not even a rar/zip. doesnt work.

They are 7-zip archives, containing a folder containing a parts folder, for installation using a mod manager.

EDIT: Fixed it. Do not download the scaled fuselages pack.

A little more detail would be great - the edited .cfgs work fine.

Since its only the .cfgs you need to overwrite the default files, and since the attach nodes are edited you need to reattach all edited parts in existing craft - that's an inevitable byside of tightening the attach nodes.

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Hi, can you upload as something other than a 7z?

None of the osx extraction programs will touch them- even the command-line ones.

Just put them up as a zip or rar like everyone else. There are no mod managers for osx.

Cheers

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None of the osx extraction programs will touch them- even the command-line ones.

Head on to 7zip.org, there aren\'t any official OSX packages, but you can try p7zip or keka, both mentioned on the 7zip site. And it might not be any benefit, but the .7z format is much faster than .zip; .7z can have higher compression without compromising decompression time, compared to .zip (I don\'t remember very well, but I think that\'s how it goes). Not too mention 7zip is open source! ;D

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It\'s called Romfarer_LazorSystem, you can find it in the pugin development forum.

Ah, thanks.

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I just use it because my upload is atrociously slow and this makes the packages about 1/8th the size of .zip.

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Maybe someone out there could be a star and upload a converted .zip?

Really want to have a go with those wings and engines, but after an hour still had no luck getting them to decompress. :(

Are they just .cfg edits? shouldn\'t you be able to attach them to a post?

I read back my earlier post and it sounds really harsh, sorry!

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Maybe someone out there could be a star and upload a converted .zip?

Really want to have a go with those wings and engines, but after an hour still had no luck getting them to decompress. :(

Are they just .cfg edits? shouldn\'t you be able to attach them to a post?

I read back my earlier post and it sounds really harsh, sorry!

You can download winrar if you are finding issues extracting

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You can download winrar if you are finding issues extracting

I\'m pretty sure winrar doesn\'t work on OS X. not completely sure, but on the app store, there is a free program called the Unarchiver, and it\'ll work just the same. .rar\'s, .jar\'s, all sorts of stuff.

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Luigi, did you perhaps overwrite your entire folder(s) with the .cfg edits? I did that once with Fixed Camera, without saving a backup :(

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Could you please make smaller rescales of ALL the spaceplane parts?

I don\'t want to have to go into the .mu files (in fact, I have no clue how to) to do it.

This would be much appreciated.

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Could you please make smaller rescales of ALL the spaceplane parts?

I don\'t want to have to go into the .mu files (in fact, I have no clue how to) to do it.

This would be much appreciated.

You don't need to edit the .mu - in fact, you can't, there's no export from .mu files yet.

Just add 'rescaleFactor = 0.625' to the .cfg

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You, sir, are a supergenius. These mods have enhanced my kerbal aviation even further than before, in fact, larger and more varied-size swept wings were something I had been dying inside for until now.

However, I can\'t seem to get the larger landing gear to work at all; they always - without fail - cause some sort of strange slewing or swerving behaviour on takeoff.

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However, I can\'t seem to get the larger landing gear to work at all; they always - without fail - cause some sort of strange slewing or swerving behaviour on takeoff.

Even with stock landing gear, planes will drift to one side or the other of the runway. Either make corrections with manual rudder turns to compensate or install a MechJeb module and use the Smart A.S.S. SURF, set heading 90° and pitch at your preferred takeoff angle (between 25° and 50° usually works). You might have to do both, but it will result in more successful takeoffs if you\'ve built the plane with a proper thrust/weight ratio.

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That would work and does work in some cases, but in others it doesn\'t turn as if the nose is moving first; rather the entire aircraft moves at 45 degrees to the runway instead of going forwards while still pointing straight along it. It might be a collider issue because it\'s REALLY weird behaviour.

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Yes, I\'ve experienced what you\'re talking about. The drift with the standard wheels is much more pronounced when using these enlarged wheels. I think this may be a problem with the original models that these modifications only magnify.

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