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Elon Musk tweet - The Boring Company

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On 1/26/2017 at 4:41 AM, hms_warrior said:

Or maybe it is the next company founded to gain technological knowledge for Mars colonisation ;-). Think about it.

How do you power Rovers on Mars? electrical ---> Tesla.

How do you Create Power on Mars? Solarcells ---> Solarcity.

How do you travel from one Landingsite to the next? Train in almost-vaccum --> Hyperloop.

How do you create radiation-protected livingspace on Mars? Tunneling ---> the Boring company.


Except Tesla is completely different from any Mars rover.
Except Solar City doesn't research or manufacture solar cells.
Except Hyperloop-on-Mars represents an accomplishment so far past any long term that "speculative" is far too conservative a word.
Except any radiation protected living space on Mars is almost certainly going to be shallow and constructed cut-and-cover, and even that is a medium to far term accomplishment.  Boring tunnels on Mars is out there with Hyperloop on Mars.
 

1 hour ago, Streetwind said:

- The aim is to figure out how to improve tunneling speed by 5 to 10 times, which "should be possible within the limits pf physics"
- Right now they're "sort of muddling along" and "have no idea what [they're] doing", though, so it sounds incredibly experimental
- Ultimately transportation must go "3D" to solve traffic issues, and doing so underground is much preferred to doing it aboveground

Sounds more and more like Musk is starting to throw insane stuff out there because nobody is willing to tell him "um, wait...".  A victim of his own ego.

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4 minutes ago, DerekL1963 said:


Except Tesla is completely different from any Mars rover.
Except Solar City doesn't research or manufacture solar cells.
Except Hyperloop-on-Mars represents an accomplishment so far past any long term that "speculative" is far too conservative a word.
Except any radiation protected living space on Mars is almost certainly going to be shallow and constructed cut-and-cover, and even that is a medium to far term accomplishment.  Boring tunnels on Mars is out there with Hyperloop on Mars.
 

Sounds more and more like Musk is starting to throw insane stuff out there because nobody is willing to tell him "um, wait...".  A victim of his own ego.

You missed Hundred-Person Two Stage to Mars And Back reusable colony ships.

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3 hours ago, Streetwind said:

Apparently they're past the "will dig soon" stage now, and have entered the "already digging" stage, if you can believe it. Source: this video.

TL;DW:

- There's now a giant hole at SpaceX HQ, which the people visiting for the Hyperloop competition weekend were able to see (not visible in the video though)
- The aim is to figure out how to improve tunneling speed by 5 to 10 times, which "should be possible within the limits pf physics"
- Right now they're "sort of muddling along" and "have no idea what [they're] doing", though, so it sounds incredibly experimental
- Ultimately transportation must go "3D" to solve traffic issues, and doing so underground is much preferred to doing it aboveground

It should be possible to increase tunneling speeds a lot with an better cutting head, Lasers or water cutting are options here. Explosive shaped charges with is another. 
Main issue is that its lots of companies doing tunneling and making the hole is just part of the work, you have to reinforce it and you better examine the rock you want to drill trough first. 
If you just make the drilling faster you might well be better of selling the patent to somebody who do it today. 

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i ll add him to my list of whenever if whenever "life is strange like marvel", i might grab a sit with him away from everithing in a natural park, watch the green ray and listen to bird and wind in the tree sharing a drink and a cereal bar with the bears around ^^

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i m gonna do this in fact, next i sleep and have a dream, that's a good start
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10 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

You missed Hundred-Person Two Stage to Mars And Back reusable colony ships.

This now looks to be a space tram.
Capacity of 100, Shuttles between two subway stations: in LA and on Mars.

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17 hours ago, DerekL1963 said:


Sounds more and more like Musk is starting to throw insane stuff out there because nobody is willing to tell him "um, wait...".  A victim of his own ego.

Yup.

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I... Just noticed something - Perhaps this is for his Hyperloop.

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Anybody knows the depth of sand on Mars?

My google-fu is being severly handicaped by thumb-on-screenness.

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24 minutes ago, Shpaget said:

Anybody knows the depth of sand on Mars?

About a meter here <points>, about two meters half a klick thataway <points>, not sure about south of here...

Seriously, Mars is a freakin' planet.  Conditions are going to vary wildly from place to place, just as it does on Earth.

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I'm perfectly fine with any ballpark backed up by some measurement even if only on a very small measure sample. Is it 10 meters on the deepest spot ever measured or 1000? Is the average 100 m or 10 km? I'm not asking for a detailed map.

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Does local geology permit such a project at all ? I mean nature, not law. Watery sediments can easily be miffed if dug into. Also isn't this an area with immanent earthquakes and movements ?

This really sounds at least a little hasty ...

 

 

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Anybody here knows/remember something about old crazy-but-revolutionary technology of rocket boring?

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Could somebody slip in musk home/office whatever and put some hard modern scy-fy in his scy-fy collection? Because this is getting ridiculous.

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9 hours ago, kunok said:

and put some hard modern scy-fy in his scy-fy collection

Gravity.

9 hours ago, Aerospacer said:

old crazy-but-revolutionary technology of rocket boring

Boring with a rocket or boring up to launch an ICBM rocket?

Can remember only drill-powered underground subterrines and melting the way down to the Earth core with a huge RTG on depeleted fuel... Wait,.. Oh, sh...

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5 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

Gravity.

He said "hard", not overcooked noodle.

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1 minute ago, Shpaget said:

He said "hard", not overcooked noodle.

What can be harder than orbital maneuvers on a fire extinguisher?

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Not that kind of hard.

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Alternatively, ignore people who tweet too much. I can think of one name that comes to mind right off the bat.

 

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On 31/01/2017 at 8:45 PM, Aerospacer said:

Anybody here knows/remember something about old crazy-but-revolutionary technology of rocket boring?

japanese buildings and earthquake ? you mean ? ... hum hum interesting if applied to tectonic underground and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulated_glazing theory ... insert "press" space wisely here xDr

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_(device) ^^ :3 :3 :3 should be secure for a while without duna shake data accurate loccaly enough as for now, may be and why not

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3 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

P.S.
Interesting, is Nikola Tesla aware about his post-mortem adventures.

Pretty sure he is, yes :D

 

(wow, this thread is off topic now...)

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On 1/30/2017 at 2:18 PM, DerekL1963 said:

Sounds more and more like Musk is starting to throw insane stuff out there because nobody is willing to tell him "um, wait...".  A victim of his own ego.

He was smart enough not to want to be anywhere near his hyperloop idea.  Even if it could work in practice (a big if, but Musk has pulled off some miracles), the local politics of right of way, eminent domain, NIMBY, and BANANA should have made anyone run screaming from it.

On 1/31/2017 at 11:18 AM, YNM said:

I... Just noticed something - Perhaps this is for his Hyperloop.

It's a really bad sign if it is (see above).

On 1/30/2017 at 5:48 PM, magnemoe said:

It should be possible to increase tunneling speeds a lot with an better cutting head, Lasers or water cutting are options here. Explosive shaped charges with is another. 
Main issue is that its lots of companies doing tunneling and making the hole is just part of the work, you have to reinforce it and you better examine the rock you want to drill trough first. 
If you just make the drilling faster you might well be better of selling the patent to somebody who do it today. 

Explosive shaped underground charges in southern California?  Even if it hasn't a prayer of destabilizing the local geology that isn't going to go over well with the locals.  Also try driving through some mountains and figure out just how much mountain construction companies took out of the way because they didn't want to bore through.  Some of those cuts are staggering, but still are cheaper than tunnels.

On 1/30/2017 at 0:58 PM, Streetwind said:

- Ultimately transportation must go "3D" to solve traffic issues, and doing so underground is much preferred to doing it aboveground

The biggest strike against the "flying car" is that most people shouldn't be allowed near the stick of an airplane.  Tesla's "autopilot" seems to be much further along a vastly harder problem (instruments should give an autopilot everything it needs to fly, the computer vision of an "AI driver" is an other story).  A VTOL (or short TOL more likely) Tesla would be almost as much of a jump as the "3" and probably cheaper to R&D than boring.

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4 hours ago, wumpus said:

Explosive shaped underground charges in southern California?  Even if it hasn't a prayer of destabilizing the local geology that isn't going to go over well with the locals.  Also try driving through some mountains and figure out just how much mountain construction companies took out of the way because they didn't want to bore through.  Some of those cuts are staggering, but still are cheaper than tunnels.

The biggest strike against the "flying car" is that most people shouldn't be allowed near the stick of an airplane.  Tesla's "autopilot" seems to be much further along a vastly harder problem (instruments should give an autopilot everything it needs to fly, the computer vision of an "AI driver" is an other story).  A VTOL (or short TOL more likely) Tesla would be almost as much of a jump as the "3" and probably cheaper to R&D than boring.

No problems with sharped charges, most tunneling or rock removal involves explosives anyway. Exception is full profile drills for long tunnels or using an pneumatic spike on an  excavator then you can not use explosives. 

And they are not used for rock blasting as they are less effective than filling holes with explosives, you also have to secure the back from high speed fragments. 
Security aspect is irrelevant as you are underground and have armor between you and charge. Explosion is far lower than even tiny rock blasting, cost is still very relevant as you will use a lot of charges and run it mostly like an automatic cannon without the barrel. Patent was for settings there time was more important than money: rescuing trapped miners or dig an tunnel in places there downtime was very expensive. 



 

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