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ZooNamedGames

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  1. The astronauts DIDN'T tire? Yes, they achieved SOME things, but not every little thing on their list, heck no. They designed an EVA pack back then, but it was never used (granted it was packed and useable) because by the astronauts got to the damn thing they were too tired to use it and command would scrub the mission. We ended up using it during the SS era, NOT Gemini. However your right on the control portion and the fact that the SP WOULD have been cancelled that early. Congress wanted to shut down NASA PRIOR to GEMINI. So its a fact, NASA would be dead without control.
  2. Well regardless of the fact whether or not it existed, the point is: It was DESIGNED for a person in command to do things in control along with his equipment in the pilots seat. The mission was to be treated more like a recon mission preformed by the USAF than a actual space mission. The mission called for a pilot in command. Plain and simple.
  3. There was a capsule made for and by the specifications of the Blue Gemini project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gemini-B.jpg Sadly to say, nothing you've said has had ANY reference or source whatsoever other than personal opinion. Case I point, if I can't change your opinion I have to live with it...l regardless of how I feel against it.
  4. Well control is what solves problems. For example, and this is a potential one that would be difficult for RC to fix. If Curiosity were to drive along, doing its thing, when, it drove over a place where the crust had been weak and fell into an unknown cavern. Now, just for your info, it takes 6 minutes for the information to travel from Mars to Earth, so by the time they hear about it, Curiosity has been stuck down there for six minutes. Now if it was a manned Martian rover, then they would be able to fix it, but from Earth in mission control, what would you do? Also, the capsule for Blue Gemini was designed AND the Titan III launch was made to test its carrying capacity for the MOL, Big G missions. So they made it beyond paper and into reality. They just never got used, like the EVA packs made during the Gemini missions. Those EVA packs were made, and stored, but never got used because by the time the astronaut got back there, he was too damn tired to use it. By the time they got all the handrails, footrests and Velcro in place, they decided to scrap the idea entirely... Or at least until the Soace Shuttle came along...
  5. Well during the Apollo 14 lunar decent the LM Abort node nearly killed them, if it had activated. However, due to PILOT control, they managed to bump it out. Also Gemini 8 had to use a pilot for MANUAL control because, otherwise the pilots would've died on auto. We would never have those memorable words "Small Step for small... One giant leap for mankind" blah, why? Because he would've died due to the excessive G forces. Also, you never said anything to my comment on the Gemini projects. I really want to know what Blue Gemini would've been like on full auto... I'm sorry. Blue Gemini just wouldn't exist if we went full auto
  6. Well regardless of its effect in Mercury, sadly in reality it's impact is felt throughout space history... Such as Gemini. Look at the Big G, Blue Gemini and so in programs... They REQUIRE a pilot in control. It's a fact, NASA was gonna put a man in control and it would change history.
  7. Yeah, because the Mercury astronauts fought soooo hard so they could be locked up helpless in a tuna can. The Mercury astronauts DIDN'T want to treated like the Russian cosmonauts. They wanted to be the ones to change the world, not the ones sitting in their padded chairs back at mission control. I'm certain if they wanted to be treated like canned tuna, they would have easily preferred to watch Ham or Pioneer probe to do it for them.
  8. Good point. No single astronaut has made the space program, the space program is a compilation of all the heroes, the tragies and successes and failures of our space pioneers. So I can't say your wrong, we're just asking to which you hold (IYO) most.... Interesting.
  9. All I'm saying is that a different astronaut to start the program, will have lead to a different fate... This is what I believe as a scientist. That each action (and every action) leads to a different reality... It's a LOOOONG explaination. By the Russian part, what I meant was that the astronauts will not have had control. Like the Russian space program who had the controls locked by passcode until command had given the astronaut control.
  10. However, it would've been a different reality from now. Different astronaut may have lead to a different fate. Yes the rocket scis got them there, but so did the astronauts... Otherwise we would be locked in self-operating capsules because the rocket scientist don't want the astronauts to have control.... Like in Russia.
  11. Well yes, he did make great strides for NASA, however you still can't say that an astronaut like Alan Sheperd didn't also change NASA. Gordo may never have gotten to fly if Alan had let Von Braun scrup the flight, but he didn't... And therefore we today has the SLS. Yes I agree, he was an amazing astronaut, besides both of them were looked over by John Glenn. So both sides lose sorry...
  12. Well as far as I know, any true pilot who wanted to go to space or had been in space, never let ANYTHING stop them. The Mercury astronauts (Like Alan) proved that if they wanted something (even as trivial as explosive bolts, control of the spacecraft and, a window) they would get it no matter what. They got what they wanted and showed to the engineers at NASA that it WAS possible to achieve the goals the pilots had put before them
  13. Sam was a chimp, besides, if I included him, I would have to also add the other chimp... Can't remember her name, but besides neither of them ACTRULLY did anything. They were trained. I think it was a bigger achievement to send up dogs, like the Russian, than to send chimps. Dogs could do the same tasks, but were strays and in the middle of their lives (supposedly) so they didn't have the lifespan to learn all the required parts to flying. Laika has a bigger effect than Sam has ever had especially HER story, ended very sadly but still, she was a very good dog. I would HIGHLY recommend reading about Laika on Wikipedia since I'm not one to be sad, scared, excited etc while reading, but I almost broke into tears reading it, which is VERY NOT me. So I would, it's very touching (at least to me), so I would easily recommend it . Now the Mercury astronauts were like monkeys in their missions, -only- they could preform scientific experiments on themselves and the spacecraft. Using chimps would've have lead to only one of the two achievements, tests relating to OUTSIDE the spacecraft. However there are a few ways that using a chimp WOULD'VE been better than a person, such as Scott Carpenter's mission. He had used up too much RCS and he had to hope (or in other words ASSUME) he had the capsule in the right direction, because he had no propellant ANYWHERE on the spacecraft. So he could have died, whereas a chimp would've done the job correctly (with no second opinion, he know nothing else, BUT to do right) and NASA would have had greater control of the spacecraft. Also pop question!: Why did the Russians choose STRAY dogs for their space flights? (please don't cheat and use wikipedia, I'll tell you if you try be fair, please!)
  14. He made a huge impact, even though he had only one flight. His change to NASA was huge, from a seat at KSC. He is pretty cool, but he didn't change NASA like Alan tho.
  15. However Alan did change the US. If he had let Bruan keep delaying the mission, eventrually they would have scrubbed the mission and we may never had participated in the space race. "Let's light this candle". One of his most famous lines, but I like his last words more, "Don't mess this up".
  16. Not certain if he did or not, but Gordo was a pretty famous one. If you enjoy this period of NASA history, go watch "The Right Stuff". It's a little long, but definately worth it. Gus was a very... very special astronaut. He was in Gemini and was GOING for Apollo, but we all know what went wrong... He (in my opinion) is the most IRONIC astronaut, in NASA history, and he will be a long runner as one for a LOOONG time. 'Cause it'll be hard to top his level of irony...
  17. Well after 2 VERY conversational threads I HAVE to make another as you guys can teach me stuff I've never known and I enjoy talking about this stuff as it's one of my favorite topics to date so here we are again asking: WHO IS THE BEST MERCURY ASTRONAUTS??? Here is the list: Alan Bartlett Shepard Jr. (Freedom 7) Virgil (Gus) Grissom (Liberty Belle 7) John Herschel Glenn Jr. (Friendship 7) Scott (Malcom) Carpenter (Aurora 7) Walter Marty (Wally) Schirra Jr. (Sigma 7) Leroy Gorden (Gordo) Cooper Jr. (Faith 7) Donald Kent (Deke) Slayton (never flew during Mercury) So who is the best and why? You have in the list; Two Apollo astronauts, and a MCC. So who's the best and Why? What's his greatest achievement? What did he do in his mission (or role at NASA) that made him stand out? Did he do anything else? etc etc... So who is the best? I know my answer Enjoy the talk below and as always, be nice and try to bring only facts
  18. Well in any case the Geminis really were a changing fate in the space race. It helped prove and learn skills we still to this very day use in LEO. Also the engineers were making it one of the biggest, most ambitious programs beyond Apollo! (granted the AAP is still huge in thought, but AAP and the Gemini sub projects came equally close to being reality). The idea of a EVA backpack designed long before the current ones used LNG after Apollo, ASTP, and Skylab. We had to wait all the way until the SPACE SHUTTLES, to test the damn thing! There were other sub projects within Gemini as well, such as Big G (Big Gemini) and MOL (manned orbital laboratory). Both would have served as LEO space stations for research. There was Blue Gemini which was more military in design. They planned to have some research and or scanning telescopes in the pilots seat to have it set for 1 pilot alone (not two as the capsule is designed for) and the astronauts would spy on enemies from high LEO. There was some other designs that were tested but never used, such as the Gemini paraglider, for Gemini to be the first 'winged' landing orbital vehicle. Gus Grissom and some of the new nine got to test the design, but eventrually it got scraped for parachutes. There is still more to the program beyond that, but you can see why I like it. It has soo much UNUSED potential and yet, it still had used a lot of it to change everything today .
  19. True, bigger the ambition, bigger the risks. The rushed LM doesn't make any of the missions better, but it did over preform especially acting a lifeboat for 13. The most stable (knowing of its prior flaws) part of the spacecraft had to be the LM. It was fixable even when it meant the misson (Apollo 15)
  20. I can agree with those points I like Gemini more because even though Mercury was cool and all, one of the bigger problems that I can't ignore is how Scott Carpenter and Gus both nearly died (Scott's was a miss, Gus' was pure endurance), I can't believe how close they came to dying... but anyways. Mercury is definitely my second and Apollo comes behind both SS and ASTP because they truly had a bigger impact all the way and were more successful. The Apollo missions (as far as I'm aware of) that had even the slightest problems were: Apollo 9 Apollo 11 Apollo 12 Apollo 13 Apollo 14 Apollo 16 I dont know much of Apollos 7, 8, 10, 15-17 so don't call me on those. But those are the Apollo missions that had problems in them (I see your point, more than half had problems) But I say that the LM out preformed it's job in more ways than one. - - - Updated - - - Read the list and weep bro, Apollo was a SERIOUS failure hog. All the problems in Gemini+Mercury don't add up to the problems in Apollo...
  21. Ah I see. The modular SS also makes since as Big G is a prefect example of it. Big G is just a Gemini capsule with a giant lab behind it as is MOL (kind of, there are differences). So I understand, because I have a thing in my ksp called the Apollo Moon Station and as I said, it's a Apollo CSM with a docking adaptor and then a RCS module, and so on. You can see in the pic below. I designed it so that it uses only Apollo era equipment so theoretically, it's 100% historically accurate, just not thought of... Am I right to say that? Edit: That part on the other end of the Solar Array is my probe docking pug (actually a refueling probe misused) so discard that from the image. It should be on the docking array but I never got to it...
  22. Ah ok, but was there ever any plan to DESIGN a station in LO? Like a ISS but lunar?
  23. Ah. That is an interesting payload... I'm gonna that to my list of interesting facts btw thanks. Now, this is an idea that's been floating around aimlessly looking for evidence of it's existence. Was there are a planned Lunar Space Station DURING the Apollo era? My idea, if it did exist, is that a Saturn V (or Saturn 1B for the tiny payload) would carry a CSM and a small docking module. The CSM and DM would remain in LO until the next module came along carried by a modified S5, similar to the Skylab modification... so does anything along these lines or any such idea exist? I can link a pic of my example if you want it...
  24. Yeah I've seen those models before. I was just curious if the Saturn Nova would've been included. The strapon SRBs would've helped with unmanned payloads significantly, and I wonder what would have the unmanned launched payloads? (I'm a little rusty on my AAP)
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