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The image is from astronautix and the document doesn't tell anything more than astronautix, but more importantly it (like the astronautix article) doesn't cite where it got it's information on. With astronautix having proven itself a site of questionable reliability and my finding aids turning up nothing except for Lunar Applications for Spent S-IVB stages, I have to question if this thing is even something that was ever conceptualized. EDIT: the base does exist (or at least something in that description), but the reports are not available online (SLA Mini-Base concept for extended lunar missions volumes 1-3 NTRS 19710072053-19710072055). Following that rabbit hole brought an image from the alternate history forums (all the way at the bottom) of what claims to be an image from volume I showcasing the launch configuration.
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Zorg added a 6.25 SLA that fits with a modified H03 SLA panel that doesn't have the adapter bit to 4.25m Something I found that works well is the 1.25 to 0.9375m adapter set to the gray paint job that Benjee has in his Planetside Exploration Vehicle mod. The AARDV block I face plate (not the conical piece) is also 0.9375m just so you know.
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Real fuels unfortunately doesn’t support volume switching with a part (and believe me I’ve tried several ways to get it to work), which is why only the length changes when you use the part switches. The only way around this is to break the switches up into individual parts (which isn’t too hard, you can look at the redstone tank config in real fuels stock to see how this is done).
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The goal of these studies wasn’t really to be efficient, the goal was to reuse as many existing components as possible in order to do new missions. What the manned CSM does is up to the guys who work with the manned CSM, and if there will be one in the CSM for two weeks (which is what is implied) then so be it. There’ll be plenty of extra work for them to do, along with the crew(s) that get sent to the moon just to drop off a rover, supplies, or a base.
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If you don't mind the engine not being upside down, you can make a tug out of the AARDV parts and the 2.5 meter fairing (I went with the Block IV SM and single LMDE because I thought the Block II SM and SPS was overkill without carrying a CM, and stuck an RTG that isn't visible in this picture on the engine plate).
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The LM Shelter is carried to the Moon by a manned CSM on board a Saturn V that then autonomously lands on the Moon after a checkout by the crew aboard the CSM (Think of it like Apollo 10). Same is true for the LM truck, which is why all of them (or the payloads on the LM Truck) were to have a drogue docking port on the top. I posted links to what exists of the report on another site (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/apollo-lm-derived-projects.7570/post-494306)
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Winged Gemini did not make a piloted landing on a runway and instead was instead just a test vehicle for gliding reentry and would make a normal parachute landing after separating the lifting surface and retro module at about 50,000ft, contrary to that article and the speculation that Wade's page on Winged Gemini is to me a gross over emphasis on relatively unimportant facts. The lack of knowledge on these concepts isn’t your fault when primary source information is largely inaccessible, nor do I mean for you feel attacked. But hearsay and lore should be countered when possible and when one is capable of doing such, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/436953817842712576/717125863409451038/Winged_Gemini_Report.pdf