CatastrophicFailure

Only if they bring back Spirit & Opportunity too.

For anyone else who’s brain absolutely will NOT let them rest until this useless knowledge is known… that wood be a pallet approximately 135x82x11ft and weighing 18,750 tons, and is either half the annual production of pennies or all the pennies in circulation as of 2012 depending on which nonsense interwebz source you trust. so yeah, splash. BIG splash.

Finders keepers.

Sadly, nothing related to Tesla is ever unpoliticized for free from bias, either way. Such articles are nearly always missing important context, like the fact that most of the people caught in that mess hadn't bothered to precondition their cars prior to going to charge, which makes a huge difference. Or mention all the people who can't start their gas cars due to... dead batteries. Note you don't hear about issues like this in places like, say, Norway, or even Minnesota, where such subzero (F) weather is fairly normal and people know how to handle it. There's more than that, of course, so if you really want to discuss it I'd suggest taking it over to the relevant Tesla thread. Now that you've ranted, how about listening? It's hit over 100 a few times here, but I've never had to get into a burning hot car, because it's always cooled down remotely by the time I get in there. Also, nudge nudge... Er... socioeconomic factors and, shall we say, heavy use of alternative pharmaceuticals...

I’m just gonna say this: if you truly wish to have an informed opinion about Teslas in X climate, or anything really, listen to people who actually own them, not what some rando on social media or newscaster sensationalizing for ratings/clicks says.

How many spherical cows can fit in a 13m ShawtyStarShip? Also keep in mind, they are still planning for ≈18m SS/SH in the long future… I see it like this: the first Starships to Mars (or a proper lunar colony) will be one-way, with wide, one-use LSS-style legs under heat shields (Martian EDL less demanding?). They’ll carry robots that will build level, solid, Mars-crete landing pads for the next, reusable Starships with stumpy-legs, which will bring the crews to finish assembling the mini-Mars-Mechazillas (MMMs) catch towers, 3D-printed in situ, to start using “standard” Starships.

They should follow precedent and send a Cybertruck to Jupiter.

And then there’s this: The TL:DW:

I had to grab the fire extinguisher and put out a flaming shopping cart. Wen your job’s not literally a dumpster fire, but close enough. Sadly the shopping cart, and some dude’s drawers, were a total loss.

Or just land it in a massive underground silo like a proper Bond villain. But speaking of all this, sort of, interesting thread here from a very astute person who IFT-3 Superheavy's return. Counter to Falcon 9 boostbacks, which actually glide a good ways, it basically came straight down. That could certainly explain why it didn't appear to slow down nearly enough, and points to grid fin issues again:

CSS is a discredited hack who hate-mongers for clicks and has been proven wrong pretty much every step of the way. Not really a good “source” to call back. Oh, and also a media thief. jus sayin…

So would that be the core or (final) upper stage?

Is this one of those one-time-use “missile batteries” that can sit around for ever but once it’s activated, it’s done?

Also, I'm not saying it was this, but neither can this be ruled out at this point either...

Unconfirmed, yes, tho something like this does appear to be the case. The booster was under complete control via thrusters until the grid fins "kicked in." If you watch it sped up the control actually looks quite crisp, for a much larger and more massive vehicle vs an empty Starship. It looks to me like it wasn't a case of the SS thrusters not working well enough towards the end, they didn't seem to be working at all. Possibly with a leak of some sort adding in that uncontrolled roll. It's far too early to say if the boiloff-based thrusters work or not at this point. Tho I bet SpaceX themselves already know the solution. If I had this playing Kerbal, I'd rage quit for a few hours, come back, build an even BIGGER rocket, BRAKE IT TO A COMPLETE STOP 100km above KSC, bring it down under power the entire descent and land it directly on top of the VAB just to stick it to the game, laughing maniacally the whole time. ...Then rage quit again when it ever-so-slowly tips over and explodes literally everything.

First Starlinks deployed NEED to have cameras tho. Just to make this a thing:

There’s big ol’ Tesla batteries on board to power the grid find, TVC, etc. Tesla butt warmers work pretty good. Just sayin… I get into this on that other platform all the time. Artemis needs Starship to work. But the moment Starship does work, even partially, SLS becomes obsolete.

Indeed. RIP my inbox.

I just woke, up, something happen?

Prolly just gonna use that island with the old abandoned airfield for now…

Wow… so much to digest on one page…

I’m thinking not, since there’s no precautionary TFRs in the Pacific, at least not yet. My impression is they’re staying well suborbital, then burning normal/antinormal, prograde dive, etc, in such a way not to move the entry corridor much, specifically because they don’t want it coming down over Australia or such if the engine burn fails for any reason. First light of a Raptor in space & all. Now I’m wondering if that engine burn might be what actually moves the fuel transfer, too.

Came here to say this (linky no worky ) in reference to: Largely I'd agree, but there ARE people entrenched within the bureaucracies who are, maybe even their superiors are, but everyone's had a bit too much "we've-been-here-before" over the decades about what's surely coming just over the next hill that never actually arrives (NASP anyone?). So they're afraid to seriously talk about it, as if even that much attention might make it all vanish like a dim star just in your periphery when you try to really see it, as so many have before. When Starship really and truly is here, the floodgates will open. IIRC an old UA-1205 Titan booster is around 250 tonnes. Expendable Starship can send 300 tonnes to just about anywhere. That's a whole lotta reliable, storable when-I-say-WHOAH-I-MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAN-WHOAH!!! once it gets there. With mass left. Just sayin...

On the one hand, you have a commercial space startup on its very first mission making rookie errors as, well, a rookie (and still pulling off a mission success). On the other hand, you have the agency that arguably started spaceflight and should be the ol’ hoss at it making… rookie errors. Not just once, but a pattern, which points to deep systemic troubles within said agency…