Inspector Gadget

Off course the problem here is the high amount of radiation but as far as i see it life would be able to resist it as i believe life is very tough and can adapt to anything. It could also be a very good for the story

In order for this to work your ocean planet need to be very far from the gas giant. Having a planet that big so far from it's planet would properly not be possible unless the gas giant was super massive and by that time it would properly be a brown dwarf. If you chance the gas giant to a brown dwarf it could work. A brown dwarf compared to a blue main sequence star would be so small it would behave like any other planet. Also a tidally locked planet's days would be as long as its orbit. If you put it close enough to still be stabil you could have a day of 2-3 earth days depending on the main body's size.

Those were more like Type II encounters (at least independence day. I haven't seen the others). They were leading a direct attack at us. A direct attack from a Type III would be like 30 seconds. I was building on the fact they wouldn't notice us.

I build it all around the idea that we could to some degree be "disease" to a type three. After watching the discussion I was convinced that we couldn't in anyway destroy a Type III but I'm stilled convinced that we could live amongst Type IIIs without detecting them and they wouldn't care about us. Like our relationship to ants or many bacteria. More like a rabbit killing a Type II civ.

Assumed they're aware of each other you might be correct but only if both are aware of each other. As I stated they don't even know the other species exist.

We don't cause any issues for any other civilization CURRENTLY. I'm going with the assumption that humans have developed interstellar flight. By that time we could cause problems. Maybe physically and psychologically were very different from ants but our societies are very much the same. Humans have different jobs and places in society and contribute to it and we have a hierarchy. Many are at their home and help bring profit to their society and build it up and expand it. We have people how help the other people in the society (Like doctors and firefighters etc.). We have people how are out gathering ressources we can use in our society. Exactly like ants. Our societies are very similar.

Well if you think about it ants aren't really a problem. They're just very inconvenient. Also the fact that if you let them live they will infest your house and eat tear on your food and such. They can even get into pipelines and such and cause practical problems. Humans can also Infest a Type III habitat and if they grow to large they can cause problems from them as well. Also we might not even see them as a civilization. Not at first at least. We would properly see them as some natural part of the world like a planet or old "ruins". If we recognised them and tried to communicate with them they wouldn't understand as our language would be to primitiv to understand. In the last and it would just be like some small annoyance the would either get us away or kill us. More likely the first on as there's no reason to get "bug-goo" all over the place. If they recognised is first I already explained what i think will happen.

I though we were assuming we had developed to a type I or at least had interstellar capabilities. Of course we wouldn't be able to do anything with our current tech level. We can't even leave our solar system Why are you assuming that the Type III ship is some recon ship? For all we know it could be a powerplant (Closer to a small generater at there level) or a refueling station. Maybe they don't use any of that but they properly have some sort of stationary structures. It could even be a dyson sphere (Or another structure of that size). Sometimes it's easier to remove the source of the problem rather then just moving away from them.

There might be a way to do it. Current theories suggest that there are multiple dimensions. We live in a three dimensional space (Four if you count time as on). We properly can't escape through our three dimensions but we could escape through the fourth dimension. As reference we can think of a two dimensional world were a creature can't get out via it's own dimensions. But it can get out through this third dimension. If course the only problem with this is, How do we get to the fourth dimension? That of course would be imposible for any three-dimensional creature to move through the fourth. Maybe we could one day use the fourth to manipulate with our universe own universe but i don't believe we will ever be able to travel through it.

Why wouldn't they park their ships close to earth? They wouldn't care about us. Maybe they wouldn't be close to a rivel Type III civ but we're just some simpel Type I. We're no threat at all to them so they would care if they came a little close. Some humans might land on this "New discovered planet" or "Ruins from an old civilisation". Humans are known for there curiosity and stubbornness and properly wouldn't like to have some Type I begining to colonise them and mine them for ressources or examine there technology. Even if we don't get through at first we properly would mush later like entire ant hills can find there way into your house. It would be easier to kill them before they get to far.

As a reference point I just got ants in my house. They walk around everywhere and even get in our food. They're annoying as hell. So we kill them and we're even going to buy some anti-bug spray or something to keep them away. We could imagine a Type III civ with there planetsized habitat. Some humans recon ships show up and they fly onto it begining to scan them. The humans even harvest materials from the hull. Annoying as hell. So they kill them. They maybe even begin to emit gamma radiation to keep them away. Worst case scenarion they track down oure planet and destroyes it.

I like how this thread turned from "How universal as math as we know it?" to "How can we communicate with alien species using math?"

In the 16th century the world image didn't go further then our solar system. We didn't have technology or comprehension to see any further then the border of our solar system. Everything beyond was was just theories where most where wrong. When telescopes got better we realised it's bigger then we imagined and we found out there were more stars were actually suns like ours. We found out they were further and further away and we found more of them and more about them as technology got better. Soon we reached the end of the galaxy and soon discovered there were more galaxies and we learned more about them. Now our border is our super cluster. Anything beyond that we can't see and is just pure theory. All I'm saying is that we don't have to go as far out as to multiverses as we're still learning about our own univers. That would be kinda like a 16th century man imagining what a super cluster looked like. Totally beyond his comprehension because of the scale and physical differences. He would have no reason to go this far out exactly like you. Multiverses are our theoretical border. Anything beyond we can't describe in any way before we understand our univers completely.

OMG aren't you the one that made that website. Credit for that. You deserve it. Also, could I hear your thoughts on this? You're allowed to say it's completily ridiculous but it'd like to hear it anyway

Even though you have a good understanding of the kardashev scale I highly recommend you read through this: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/aliens.php#id--Technology_Level Now you should have an understanding about scale between type I and III civilizations. You should also have noticed how they compare the relations between a type I and a type III to the one of humanity and ants. We would know of each others existence they would treat us as we treat ants. You could imagine a civilization that we compared to would be like amoebas and neither of us would even notice each other. But Imagine this situation: A bacteria lives in a random gletscher somewhere on the north pool. They have just been hibernating, cultivating very slowly... Until a research team arrives, looking for possible oil sources. They begin to drill and in the process some of the bacteria are released on to the surface. I man steps on these bacteria taking some with him and goes into shelter. Here he spreads the bacteria so that almost every one gets. The peoples immune systems quickly fights the bacteria but one of the scientists gets the bacteria somewhere where the immunesystem can't get them. Here they find lots and lots of nutritions and begin cultivating exponentially. They even begin to mutate to fit this new environment. After a month the bacteria have spread to the entire body until the scientist are called home. When he comes home the bacteria has already evolved so much that it spreads to other people while being able to fight there immunesystem. Soon the scientist begins to feel deprivation of nutrition and gets sick. In the beginning it's just a cold but after a few months his vital organs begin to fail and he dies. Be this time thousands of people have already been infected. Soon they also begin to get symptoms, slowly dying. First it's 10, then 100, 1000, 100000. The government sees a pattern begins to track down the source. After a month they discover the bacteria and begins to look for a cure. But by this time over a million has already been infected. They try to develop a vaccination but the bacteria has become to resistant to most medicins... I think you get the idea. Now take this scenario and put in a sci-fi world: A type III civilization with ships the size of stars come to the milky way to find new energy sources. They make a halt only a few light years from earth. The humans send some recon ships to one of these strange objects. The ships try to move closer but most of them are destroy by a sensor sweep that uses gamma radiation. But some of the ships manage to get it. All though they can't penetrate the hull they get a lot of technology just examining it. They get ready to leave but suddenly the object moves for some unknown reason. The alien ship is actually returning to it's mothership to return samples but the humans doesn't know that. They are now trapped on the mothership but the aliens haven't even noticed them. After generations the aliens begins to travel back to there home galaxy. By this time the humans have spread all over the ship, gathering technology. When the aliens get home the humans have built many ships so they travel to other of these objects but the are still so small the aliens haven't noticed them. After 1000 years the alien ship begins to get malfunctions is many of there parts are destroyed or missing but it's nothing serious but after 100000 years the ship has been almost completely striped of it's vital parts and the ship gets destroyed but the humans and they have already spread to many other similar objects as the one they were on. Many of the alien ships begins to get destroyed and the higher authorities begin to act. They build up a defense against them but the humans sees them as a hostile race. With there new technology and there familiarity with theres they quickly find a way to counter it... etc. Could I have your words on my thought

If you perform a prograde burn at the periapsis of your orbit you get a Delta-v "bonus" seemingly out of nowhere. That's called the Oberth effect. But does anyone know how it actually happens?

To be fair I don't think armour would have much protection against kinetic weapons. As we have established space battles will be very long range so kinetic weapons will have a very long travel time. Sensors will detect any kinetic weapon soon after there launched. They could be destroyed easily by canons or lasers (Much like the missile defenses we use today). Also with a less armour you have a lot less weight wich would allow a ship to menouvre a away from kinetic weapons. What they would be worried about would properbly be laser weapons as they have almost no travel time. They could have weapons that would destroy vital parts or cook the crew alive in a split second. I'm thinking armour would be reflective armour wich will spread the beam out in every direction. It could also have electro magnetic fields to divert plasma weapons around the ship. Of course there would be protection against small small kinetic weapons or debris. But overall hull armour won't be to importent a factor. I think that most space combat will be based on laser weapons as a mean to disable enemy crafts and use kinetic weapons to finnish the kill or board the enemy ship.