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espartanlast1 posted a topic in KSP1 Challenges & Mission ideasGood Morning to all of KSP Community, Now I want to speak about Airliners Challenges, they were my favorite kind of challenge and makes me sad to see they are not common nowadays, designing an airplane, having to balance fuel efficiency, passenger capacity and try to design the best plane for every category. I would like to host and judge a new challenge like this, but English is obviously not my main language and I am worried that my reviews of your planes and my writing of the rules can be extremely horrible to read and enjoy. I suppose that there are many of you who would like to participate in a challenge like this, and even some of you can help drafting the rules and judging planes. Right now this is more a desire and a hope than a challenge you can participate, but with your help we can get the airliners challenges back. Thanks to all KSP Community for reading this horrible message.
In this challenge, the Kerbal Transit Association needs a new mid size airplane to replace its aging Koeing 757 fleet. Only Airplane Plus and KAX are allowed, and the aircraft that you submit can vary in size, it only has to vaguely resemble the original K-757.
Inspired by the Regional Jet Challenge Whilst the thread is mainly focused on propeller driven aircraft, jet powered aircraft ARE allowed on the condition that it uses a maximum of 800 units of fuel. Kerbin has gone through an oil crisis; airlines and military around Kerbin are now using aircraft they can no longer fuel and are in desperate need for new aircraft. It is up to your company to provide aircraft for either the military or airlines that have almost the, or better performance then jet powered counterparts. Of course, in most cases it isn't possible to match the speed, however propeller driven aircraft tend to be better in other regards. vvv Note: PLEASE READ vvv _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ What is a good aircraft then? The military is in need of aircraft that can either turn well, or perform Boom and Zoom style attacks. The military also wants cheap, easy to maintain and rugged aircraft as well. As for things like bombers, the military is in need of bombers with good defense and bomb load, while being strong enough to take a few hits. The Airlines are in need of aircraft that are safe, reliable, comfortable, have a reasonable price, are easy to maintain and designs that are flexible enough to be put in other uses. Obviously, it's better if the aircraft is cheaper, however the aircraft's performance can compensate (to an extent) a high price tag. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Rules Must be compatible with 1.4 of KSP. The only mods allowed are Stock parts (duh), BDarmory and Airplane Plus. Maximum of 700 parts. (this can be negotiable if the aircraft only goes slightly over) If the aircraft uses liquidfuel, it is classified as a jet Propellers from Airplane Plus are allowed, but the aircraft is considered a "jet" if it uses liquid fuel. Command seats are allowed as long as a cockpit of some sorts is built around it (an open cockpit is fine). For military aircraft, no missiles are allowed (as these use fuel) For military aircraft, only 50cal weapons (turret included), 20mm vulcan (fixed and turret), and the GAU-8 Cannon are allowed (a plane with an abrams cannon would be amazing if it can be done). (feel free to suggest any more weapons) Part clipping to any extent is allowed. Creating variants for aircraft are allowed (explained down below) What is a Variant in the context of the rules? To make a design more versatile for different roles; it's possible to submit different variants of the same aircraft. A variant of the same aircraft will be counted as a variant if it has roughly the same structural layout of the previous design. You are allowed to change the engines, add more guns, make wings slightly bigger, or lengthen the fuselage. If an aircraft variant is too different from it's original, it will be counted as another plane rather than a variant. Military Categories (closed until BDarmory updates) The specifications do not need to be met as long as the aircraft makes up for it in something else. Like an aircraft having a slow speed, but good turn rate. Fighter Speed of more than 80m/s Armament of at LEAST two 50cals reasonable turn time 1 pilot only 1 engine only Heavy Fighter Speed of more than 100m/s. Armament of at LEAST 6 50cals. reasonable turn time. at least 1 pilot, however 2 or having a turret is preferred. At least 2 engines (maximum of 4). Ground Attacker/Light Bomber Speed of more than 70m/s. Armament of at least 6 50cals. (cannons are preferred) Must carry a few bombs. reasonable turn time. at least 1 pilot, however 2 or having a turret is preferred. Must be easy enough to aim at ground targets Heavy Bomber Speed of more than 60m/s Must have a bomb load of at least 5000lbs (or if you're metric like me, 2267kg) Must have at least 2 pilots and 1 turret (more turrets are recommended) Reasonable turn time (of course, it doesn't need to be fighter like) Must be stable enough to aim bombs properly. Maximum of 6 engines, but must have at least 2. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Airliner Categories The specifications do not need to be met as long as the aircraft makes up for it in something else. Like an aircraft having a slow speed, but good comfort and passenger count. Like the Regional Jet Challenge: The Mk1 and Mk2 Crew Cabins count as 8 Passengers Mk3 Passenger Module and Size 2 Crew Cabin count as 24 Passengers Seaplane Speed of at least 60m/s Must be able to takeoff and land from water with relative ease Must hold at least 16 passengers. Maximum of 3 engines. Flying Boat Speed of at least 60m/s Must be able to takeoff and land from water Must hold at least 48 passengers Minimum of 2 engines, and maximum of 4 Island Hopper Speed of at least 60m/s Must have short takeoff and landing Must hold at least 16 passengers (max 24) Maximum of 3 engines. Regional Airliner Speed of at least 70m/s Must have reasonably short takeoff and landing Must hold at least 32 passengers (max 48) Must be comfortable Minimum of 2 engines and maximum of 4 International Airliner Speed of at least 80m/s Must have reasonably short takeoff and landing Must hold at least 56 passengers (maximum of whatever you can do) Must be comfortable Minimum of 3 engines, maximum of 6. (optional) Can fly with 1 engine not working. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ How to Submit Aircraft must have a title in bold, and at least 1 picture so I can figure out what is and isn't a submission. Clarify if the aircraft is a military aircraft/airliner and make sure it is clear what category the aircraft is in. A download link for the aircraft in the post. Price of your aircraft multiplied by 10, but 1000 if it's a jet. Instructions to fly, optimal propeller pitch, and recommended altitudes (Optional) Pitch the aircraft to the military/airlines. Why is your aircraft so good. Why should they buy it. Describe special features of the aircraft (even made up ones). _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Military Submissions Fighter Heavy Fighter Ground Attacker/Light Bomber Heavy Bomber _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Airliner Submissions Seaplane Flying Boat Island Hopper Regional Airliner International Airliner _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Judges Just ask if you want to be a judge. @HolidayTheLeek yeah, that's it right now.
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EpicSpaceTroll139 posted a topic in KSP1 The Spacecraft ExchangeHello! I've been a lurker on the forums since around .14, and I've finally joined! Almost Real Size Replicas: Civilian Aircraft Replicas: Airbus A-380 Carries 644 (unless I miscounted) passengers. Expect it to maneuver like the 430 ton winged whale that it is. Not for potato computers. Craft File & image on KerbalX Boeing 737-600 It carries 88 passengers and flies quite nicely (in my opinion). Craft file & image on KerbalX Boeing VC-25 Carries the President + lots of VIPs. Has a bonus feature for fans of Harrison Ford Craft File & image on KerbalX Bombardier Learjet 45 Carries a modest 8 passengers. Flies quite nicely, as it's not very heavy. Craft File & image on KerbalX De Havilland DH-106 Comet Right now it carries 18 passengers, I mainly went for looks on this one, will probably change. Flies about like your average plane. Craft File & image on KerbalX Hawker Siddeley Trident 1C Carries 80 passengers, good for the casual pilot. Craft File & image on KerbalX Hawker Siddeley Trident 3B Carries 96 passengers, also for the casual pilot. Craft File & image on KerbalX McDonnell Douglas DC-10 Carries 224 passengers and... well... it's a bit sluggish... just... "Don't let the plane take you where your mind wasn't 5 minutes earlier" Craft File & image on KerbalX McDonnell Douglas MD-88 Carries 50 something passengers I think. Not the best flier, but it looks pretty cool. Craft File & image on KerbalX Aerospatiale Concorde (Incomplete) This thing doesn't want to supercruise yet, let alone do so at Mach 2. Not finished yet. Craft File & image on KerbalX Unofficial plans: work to improve Aerospatiale Concorde (maybe), maybe (757, 767, 787), 777, Cessna Citation, C-17 Globemaster lll, more. Yes I have a lot of plane plans! More coming soonish! Pictures! Military Aircraft Replicas: A-10 Thunderbolt (AKA Warthog) Currently has no missiles. I may add some later. Craft File & image on KerbalX General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon A bit squirrely and sluggish at the same time, but still fun to fly. It has no rudder at the moment, and as for the nose... I did my best people! Craft File & image on KerbalX Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor Also fun to fly Craft File & image on KerbalX McDonnell Douglas F-15 Strike Eagle Fun to fly Craft File & image on KerbalX More coming soonish Totally Kerbal Crafts: Coax Mk1 A small, stock, coaxial helicopter. It currently has enough fuel for only about 5 minutes of flight, but I aim to improve that. I actually developed this after getting sidetracked while trying to use Majorjim's thermohinge to give a Concorde model a droop nose. The droop nose didn't work, but I got something much better! Craft File & image on KerbalX Igor C2 STOL Cargo Plane Originally designed for on the often debris-strewn wasteland that is the island runway on a high-traffic DMP server, this cargo plane has the ability to land and takeoff within 150m (unloaded). I once did 100m by accident (I stalled it onto a 100m aircraft carrier I was buzzing, which I may add later), but 150m is more recommended (as this will be necessary for takeoff ). Anyways, the twin Goliath engines are mounted high to keep them away from debris, and relaxed stability allows this plane to keep a critical angle of attack, allowing flight down to 30m/s (unloaded). Don't ask me why I named it Igor... I really don't remember Craft File & image on KerbalX Kerbal Cessna P3 A light, easygoing plane for beginners and experts alike. Good for island trips, flying under bridges and through hangers, and more. Can carry 2 passengers along for the ride. It's also got a happy face! Craft File & image on KerbalX Titan Mk1-2 A somewhat large tandem rotor helicopter. With the right game settings (namely just an increased rotation speed limit), this thing can lift 73 or so tons. Flies like a dream, but I can't say reliability is the same. It probably won't break, but there's always that chance. It should be fine if you don't take it over 25m/s Craft File & image on KerbalX More coming soonish Plans here include updating 2 cargo planes, a few helicopters, and more If you have any suggestions on how I can improve my builds (or anything else to say ), please let me know! Have Fun!