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zarakon

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I decided to stick different nosecones on top of some test rockets to measure their max altitude and max speed and see which ones worked best. Not a super-scientific test, but here are the results I've gotten

1.25m test case

- RC-001S probe

- Kickback booster, set to 100% thrust and 500 fuel

- 4 basic fins

- no SAS

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2.5m test case

- RC-L01 probe

- X200-8 fuel tank, flow shut off (for top weight)

- Jumbo-64 tank set to 576/704

- 8 basic fins

- Mainsail

- Full thrust, SAS on

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Points of interest:

- Type B nosecone seems useless

- Shock cone intake has the least drag of all the intakes. Other than the high price, its low drag and small mass make it a great 1.25m nosecone even if you don't need the air

- Intakes seem to have the same drag regardless of being open or closed.

- Fairing shape matters a lot. Long and pointy fairings are better than almost anything else. A very pointy 1.25m fairing is probably similar to the tail connector in drag, but the fairing is a lot more massive.

- On 2.5m, the most aerodynamic by a long shot seems to be a tail connector with a fairing that connects to it at the tip.

- A rockomax adapter combined with a good 1.25m nosecone is generally better than the mk7 nosecone, other than in cost

- A backwards LV-T45 is apparently more aerodynamic than no nosecone at all, but it weighs a lot more. Aerospike is more aerodynamic than LV-T45 while going up, so would probably also create less drag at the back of a spaceplane.

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Jodo42

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I've only run 1 test, but I actually got about 500m more altitude out of an armed claw than an unarmed one. I'll continue doing some testing.

Otherwise, nice information.

EDIT: Consistently getting ~11,500-600 from your 1.25m setup with an unarmed claw, and ~12,000 with an armed one. Really odd!

EDIT II: Also using your 1.25m setup, I'm consistently getting 5100m... from a 2.5m heatshield (shielding facing up). A heat shield is literally better than the Mk7 nose cone.

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NecroBones

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It sounds like mass isn't being controlled for. I'd consider doing the tests with some dummy monoprop tanks (or whatever), where you can change the fill level to equalize the mass between tests.

That doesn't invalidate this experiment, of course, it just means that it's testing overall performance on that particular vehicle. However, purely aerodynamic results might be more valuable.

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DarkGravity

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Very nice! Thanks for the data! I suggest you add in the Control item, CH-J3 FLY-BY-WIRE Avionics Hub. It is a kind of nose cone.

I also don't think you need to control for total mass. You have a nice experiment with one variable: the nose cone's impact on max altitude from on a standardized rocket. Whether the better nose cones achieve higher altitude by reducing mass or by reducing drag can't easily be judged well, but the fact that it achieved higher altitude is interesting enough. Very nice! And nice to hear outside replication, Jodo.

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Korizan

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Nice job OP

It comes down to 2 questions.

1st if you are purely interested in how drag interacts with aerodynamics in the game then then equalizing the total mass would be applicable.

2nd if you are more interested in getting the most performance out of your rocket by changing out (modifying) the nose cones, then I would look to the OP's charts.

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I would be interesting to see how these results compare with the drag coefficients for all these parts. All other things being equal, the one with the lowest drag coefficient should go highest and fastest. The drag coefficients are found in PartDatabase.cfg. Here is an example:


PART
{
url = Squad/Parts/Command/mk1Cockpit/mk1Cockpit/Mark1Cockpit
    DRAG_CUBE
     {
         cube = Default, 1.823583,0.7348939,0.8693516, 1.823583,0.7353885,0.9128191, 1.263023,0.2716523,2.393878, 1.263023,0.9475985,0.3517535, 2.053816,0.7649878,0.7245554, 2.053816,0.7311577,0.7189386, -4.053116E-06,0.9747789,-0.00202769, 1.383462,2.291587,1.23226
     }
 }

The eighth number is the drag coefficient for the Y+ face, which is the face that would be facing the air stream in a normal configuration. In the above case, the drag coefficient for the Mk1 Cockpit is 0.2716523. Below are the drag coefficients for parts that might be mounted at the front end of a rocket.

[TABLE=width: 375]

[TR]

[TD=width: 239, bgcolor: transparent]Mk1 Cockpit[/TD]

[TD=width: 74, bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.2716523[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk2 Cockpit[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.2005389[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk3 Cockpit[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4265045[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk1 Command Pod[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4787524[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk1-2 Command Pod[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.5247738[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk1 Lander Can[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.9474164[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk2 Lander Can[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.9399109[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]PPD-12 Cupola Module[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.8409463[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Stayputnik Mk. 1[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4507724[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Launch Escape System[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.5314794[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]CH-J3 Fly-By-Wire Avionics Hub[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4088397[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Circular Intake[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4500000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Ram Air Intake[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4454349[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Shock Cone Intake[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.3000000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Small Nose Cone[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4011730[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Aerodynamic Nose Cone[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.6305804[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Advanced Nose Cone - Type A[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.3476872[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Advanced Nose Cone - Type B[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.4535100[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Protective Rocket Nose Cone Mk7[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.5857430[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk16 Parachute[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.6422904[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk16-XL Parachute[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.7324356[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Mk25 Parachute[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.7803856[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Clamp-O-Tron Docking Port Jr.[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.9203191[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Clamp-O-Tron Docking Port[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.9149400[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Clamp-O-Tron Shielded Docking Port[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.8379832[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Clamp-O-Tron Docking Port Sr.[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.9563304[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent]Advanced Grabbing Unit[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: transparent, align: right]0.6949234[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

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Jouni

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- Type B nosecone seems useless

That's because you had only one rocket stack. A symmetric rocket consisting of two of your 1.25 m test cases should climb to ~15 km with type B nosecones.

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I was a little surprised the 2.5m nosecone was worse than nothing at all. So I compared the two on a wider setup. I radially attached 4 Thumpers to 1 central Thumper. I put Type A nosecones on the outer 4 rockets and either nothing or the 2.5m MK7 nosecone on the central rocket. Both setups had a Probodobodyne OKTO core on top of the central Thumper. I did this, thinking that the wide nosecone might have some usefulness on the outer (and slightly lower) rockets. To my surprise, the 2.5m nosecone setup only went up about 60% as far as when I used nothing. That was with 50% fuel in the Thumpers. I tried again with 80% fuel, thinking that over time, the effect of the extra mass might be overcome by improved aerodynamics, but with 80% fuel, the results were that the MK7 2.5m setup only went 30% as high as with nothing at all.

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What I think these numbers are really telling us, is that the Mk.7 nosecone is too darn heavy.

Which I think we knew already, but still. :cool:

But seriously, these are awesome numbers, and it's good to know about the shock cone intake's performance.

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Very nice! Thanks for the data! I suggest you add in the Control item, CH-J3 FLY-BY-WIRE Avionics Hub. It is a kind of nose cone.

mk1 pod with avionics 14280 642

I think it's the same drag as the Small Nosecone, just a tad heavier

it's good to know about the shock cone intake's performance.

One significant disadvantage of the shock cone compared to the ram intake though when used on spaceplanes - the shock cone has a lower heat tolerance. I've found that aside from radial-attached batteries and solar panels, intakes are the most vulnerable to overheating during both ascent and re-entry, so the extra 100 degrees tolerance on the ram intake is often enough to save them

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I did this, thinking that the wide nosecone might have some usefulness on the outer (and slightly lower) rockets.

Mounting an oversized part at the front does nothing to occlude parts behind, other than the attachment face. For instance, radially attached parts produce the same drag whether they are fully exposed to the airstream or whether they are partially tucked in behind an oversized fairing or nose cone. Placing a 2.5m nose cone on a 1.25m attachment point is bad because the larger nose cone only increases the drag surface area while providing no other benefit. The large nose cone also adds mass, so it's doubly bad.

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Mounting an oversized part at the front does nothing to occlude parts behind, other than the attachment face. For instance, radially attached parts produce the same drag whether they are fully exposed to the airstream or whether they are partially tucked in behind an oversized fairing or nose cone. Placing a 2.5m nose cone on a 1.25m attachment point is bad because the larger nose cone only increases the drag surface area while providing no other benefit. The large nose cone also adds mass, so it's doubly bad.

Triple bad, because I think it also adds another drag area at the back of it where it's exposed

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What I think these numbers are really telling us, is that the Mk.7 nosecone is too darn heavy.

I can't imagine that reducing the mass from 26.2 tons to 26 tons (while keeping the same shape) would triple the reachable altitude. When I gave my rockets 80% full fuel, that was the difference: triple altitude without the Mk. 7.

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The Mk7 DOES help on a 2.5m core though, so it's not like it's useless. It's just really bad to use the wrong size. You'd probably see similarly bad results with other 2.5m solutions placed on a 1.25m stack

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He doesn't need to account for mass. It was a "real world" test. Would you account for the mass of different nose cones for a model rocket? No, you would make an educated guess with a little math behind, make them as thin as possible, and test a couple different shapesâ€â€the mass is inconsequential unless you can reduce it, which we can't.

Great job OP.

Thoughts on the results of the intakes: maybe the game accounts for the air it assumes is flowing through the intakes?

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It sounds like mass isn't being controlled for. I'd consider doing the tests with some dummy monoprop tanks (or whatever), where you can change the fill level to equalize the mass between tests.

That doesn't invalidate this experiment, of course, it just means that it's testing overall performance on that particular vehicle. However, purely aerodynamic results might be more valuable.

BTW, I didn't mean to sound like a harsh critic. Nice job on the data! :)

Man, I can sound harsh when I'm in a hurry. :)

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I just did a dump of part drag coefficients in standard configuration as OhioBob described. Note that not all parts are here - some, like the LV-N, are more complex. First number is frontal area, second drag coeff.

  • 0.5277259 0.06571814 SEMIDEPLOYED Mk16 Parachute
  • 0.08583698 0.07227632 Default AV-T1 Winglet
  • 0.53627 0.09626622 Default Big-S Wing Strake
  • 9.336478 0.1339481 SEMIDEPLOYED Mk16-XL Parachute
  • 3.890279 0.1524063 A Communotron 88-88
  • 1.108058 0.1574683 SEMIDEPLOYED Mk25 Parachute
  • 0.1469518 0.1860022 neutral Standard Canard
  • 2.62683 0.1961128 SEMIDEPLOYED Mk2-R Radial-Mount Parachute
  • 2.515221 0.2005389 A Mk2 Cockpit
  • 2.515221 0.2005389 B Mk2 Cockpit
  • 0.134963 0.2096515 neutral Advanced Canard
  • 0.1532288 0.2128663 Default Wing Strake
  • 0.02798774 0.2196357 Default Basic Fin
  • 0.1246012 0.2499593 neutral AV-R8 Winglet
  • 0.1794599 0.2543047 neutral Tail Fin
  • 0.4682146 0.2579988 fullDeflectionPos AV-R8 Winglet
  • 0.3291357 0.2638914 fullDeflectionNeg Advanced Canard
  • 0.3291357 0.26431 fullDeflectionPos Advanced Canard
  • 1.263023 0.2716523 Default Mk1 Cockpit
  • 0.508921 0.272541 fullDeflectionNeg Standard Canard
  • 0.508921 0.2750442 fullDeflectionPos Standard Canard
  • 0.8837043 0.2951582 Default Swept Wings
  • 1.213026 0.3 Default Shock Cone Intake
  • 0.4682551 0.3134894 fullDeflectionNeg AV-R8 Winglet
  • 0.1838379 0.3374914 Default Structural Wing Type D
  • 0.3631556 0.3378715 Default Structural Wing Type A
  • 2.687976 0.3450436 fullDeflectionNeg Big-S Spaceplane Tail Fin
  • 2.687976 0.3470565 fullDeflectionPos Big-S Spaceplane Tail Fin
  • 1.213026 0.3476872 Default Advanced Nose Cone - Type A
  • 0.1066304 0.3503792 neutral A.I.R.B.R.A.K.E.S
  • 0.2258113 0.3636769 fullDeflectionNeg Delta-Deluxe Winglet
  • 1.402586 0.3652771 fullDeflectionNeg FAT-455 Aeroplane Tail Fin
  • 1.402586 0.3668208 fullDeflectionPos FAT-455 Aeroplane Tail Fin
  • 0.2258113 0.3676945 fullDeflectionPos Delta-Deluxe Winglet
  • 1.213026 0.3764403 Default NCS Adapter
  • 1.997435 0.3834513 neutral Big-S Spaceplane Tail Fin
  • 0.3032565 0.401173 Default Small Nose Cone
  • 2.217873 0.4086532 Default Big-S Delta Wing
  • 0.3032565 0.4088397 Default CH-J3 Fly-By-Wire Avionics Hub
  • 0.9736729 0.4198655 fullDeflectionNeg Tail Fin
  • 4.852105 0.4253745 Default C7 Brand Adapter - 2.5m to 1.25m
  • 11.00077 0.4258759 Default Kerbodyne ADTP-2-3
  • 10.30376 0.4265045 A Mk3 Cockpit
  • 10.30376 0.4265045 B Mk3 Cockpit
  • 1.121219 0.427267 neutral FAT-455 Aeroplane Tail Fin
  • 0.9736729 0.4304603 fullDeflectionPos Tail Fin
  • 0.09443884 0.4314213 neutral Delta-Deluxe Winglet
  • 10.30376 0.4324292 Default Mk3 to Mk2 Adapter
  • 0.7350084 0.4405829 Default Delta Wing
  • 0.7350084 0.4405829 Default Swept Wing Type A
  • 0.3631556 0.4429483 Default Small Delta Wing
  • 1.218224 0.4454349 Default Ram Air Intake
  • 1.213026 0.45 Default Circular Intake
  • 0.6368431 0.4507724 Default Stayputnik Mk. 1
  • 1.213026 0.45351 Default Advanced Nose Cone - Type B
  • 0.02942616 0.4732037 Default Vernor Engine
  • 1.250829 0.4787524 Default Mk1 Command Pod
  • 0.7533474 0.4844982 Default Swept Wing Type B
  • 0.6567075 0.4902819 SEMIDEPLOYED Mk12-R Radial-Mount Drogue Chute
  • 0.7350084 0.4921668 Default Structural Wing Type B
  • 1.069721 0.4931759 fullDeflectionNeg FAT-445 Aeroplane Control Surface
  • 0.9157104 0.4955477 Default Mk-55 "Thud" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 1.069721 0.4970603 fullDeflectionPos FAT-445 Aeroplane Control Surface
  • 4.852105 0.5017468 Default C7 Brand Adapter Slanted - 2.5m to 1.25m
  • 0.1905167 0.5056679 Default Wing Connector Type D
  • 0.7533474 0.507181 Default Wing Connector Type B
  • 1.144533 0.5080137 fullDeflectionNeg Big-S Elevon 1
  • 2.575732 0.5080137 fullDeflectionNeg Big-S Elevon 2
  • 0.7350084 0.5085866 Default Structural Wing Type C
  • 4.748207 0.5121184 Default FAT-455 Aeroplane Main Wing
  • 1.144533 0.5130815 fullDeflectionPos Big-S Elevon 1
  • 2.575732 0.5130815 fullDeflectionPos Big-S Elevon 2
  • 0.3668213 0.5154183 Default Wing Connector Type A
  • 0.3668213 0.5154183 Default Wing Connector Type C
  • 0.3668213 0.5154183 Default Wing Connector Type E
  • 10.30376 0.5179489 Default Mk3 to 2.5m Adapter
  • 4.643318 0.5247738 Default Mk1-2 Command Pod
  • 0.6692767 0.5274513 fullDeflectionNeg Elevon 3
  • 2.494812 0.52775 Default Mk2 to 1.25m Adapter Long
  • 0.6692767 0.5310569 fullDeflectionPos Elevon 3
  • 0.05735444 0.5314106 Default Small Hardpoint
  • 1.037149 0.5314794 Default Launch Escape System
  • 4.852105 0.5339531 Default Rockomax Brand Adapter
  • 0.717287 0.5426252 fullDeflectionNeg Elevon 5
  • 0.717287 0.5455235 fullDeflectionPos Elevon 5
  • 0.2953996 0.5474034 fullDeflectionNeg Elevon 4
  • 0.2953996 0.5506355 fullDeflectionPos Elevon 4
  • 4.864884 0.5536323 Default 2.5m to Mk2 Adapter
  • 10.30376 0.5620264 Default Mk3 to 2.5m Adapter Slanted
  • 1.206113 0.575572 Default M700 Survey Scanner
  • 0.03627452 0.5768754 Default O-10 "Puff" MonoPropellant Fuel Engine
  • 2.494812 0.5802755 Default Mk2 to 1.25m Adapter
  • 0.5332215 0.5823094 fullDeflectionNeg Elevon 2
  • 0.5332215 0.5853868 fullDeflectionPos Elevon 2
  • 4.852104 0.585743 Default Protective Rocket Nose Cone Mk7
  • 0.04734908 0.5881076 Default 24-77 "Twitch" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.04717465 0.614139 Default Place-Anywhere 7 Linear RCS Port
  • 0.1500185 0.6147928 Default Atmospheric Fluid Spectro-Variometer
  • 0.2053843 0.6157054 DEPLOYED LT-1 Landing Struts
  • 0.02300333 0.625335 Default Pegasus I Mobility Enhancer
  • 0.1241077 0.6268594 Default Illuminator Mk1
  • 1.213026 0.6305804 Default Aerodynamic Nose Cone
  • 0.2786326 0.6350702 Default LY-01 Fixed Landing Gear
  • 0.06662689 0.6387991 Default EAS-4 Strut Connector
  • 0.4553565 0.6411267 fullDeflectionNeg Elevon 1
  • 0.2767665 0.6422904 PACKED Mk16 Parachute
  • 1.213026 0.6429014 Default FL-A10 Adapter
  • 0.4553565 0.643371 fullDeflectionPos Elevon 1
  • 0.1995803 0.6497338 Default LY05 Steerable Landing Gear
  • 0.1962595 0.6617573 Default FTX-2 External Fuel Duct
  • 5.167493 0.6727995 Default TR-XL Stack Separator
  • 0.5198182 0.6882359 DEPLOYED LT-2 Landing Strut
  • 1.072426 0.6885879 Default 'Drill-O-Matic' Mining Excavator
  • 0.02125349 0.6886963 PACKED Mk12-R Radial-Mount Drogue Chute
  • 0.08501394 0.6886963 PACKED Mk2-R Radial-Mount Parachute
  • 0.194697 0.6915513 EXTENDED_B SP-W 3x2 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.4195596 0.6937078 Default RoveMax Model M1
  • 1.462059 0.6949234 A Advanced Grabbing Unit
  • 6.84515 0.709805 Default LFB KR-1x2 "Twin-Boar" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.1418939 0.7119761 Default Structural Pylon
  • 0.199248 0.7232357 EXTENDED_B SP-L 1x6 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.4400986 0.7304751 neutral Elevon 5
  • 1.108058 0.7324356 PACKED Mk16-XL Parachute
  • 4.411602 0.7370769 Default TVR-1180C Mk1 Stack Tri-Coupler
  • 0.005583212 0.7377104 Default OX-STAT Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.1580109 0.7471848 Default Illuminator Mk2
  • 3.373985 0.7576349 RETRACTED LY-99 Large Landing Gear
  • 0.4336735 0.758192 Default M4435 Narrow-Band Scanner
  • 0.6089301 0.7589338 DEPLOYED LY-10 Small Landing Gear
  • 0.5626312 0.7598909 neutral FAT-445 Aeroplane Control Surface
  • 1.459697 0.7678789 RETRACTED LY-50 Medium Landing Gear
  • 0.3501737 0.769372 neutral Elevon 3
  • 0.3512916 0.7699307 neutral Elevon 1
  • 0.3512916 0.7699307 neutral Elevon 2
  • 111.1859 0.7713919 Default A potato like rock
  • 0.5826902 0.772536 RETRACTED LY-10 Small Landing Gear
  • 0.169239 0.7749686 neutral Elevon 4
  • 1.108058 0.7803856 PACKED Mk25 Parachute
  • 0.786228 0.7858429 Default TR-2L Ruggedized Vehicular Wheel
  • 0.4131348 0.7869799 neutral Big-S Elevon 1
  • 0.9294317 0.7869799 neutral Big-S Elevon 2
  • 2.637873 0.7903831 Default Rockomax Brand Decoupler
  • 1.802065 0.7919737 Default S1 SRB-KD25k "Kickback" Solid Fuel Booster
  • 1.523956 0.7928757 Default BACC "Thumper" Solid Fuel Booster
  • 0.07297606 0.7933471 Default EAS-1 External Command Seat
  • 0.07835191 0.7934652 A Mystery Gooâ„¢ Containment Unit
  • 0.07835191 0.7934652 B Mystery Gooâ„¢ Containment Unit
  • 1.525142 0.7947727 Default Engine Nacelle
  • 6.179663 0.7991401 Default TVR-2160C Mk2 Stack Quad-Coupler
  • 1.373114 0.7999039 B Advanced Grabbing Unit
  • 1.213328 0.8002112 B Clamp-O-Tron Shielded Docking Port
  • 0.7809692 0.8005934 Default ROUND-8 Toroidal Fuel Tank
  • 1.213026 0.8101062 Default Modular Girder Adapter
  • 0.1042745 0.8137597 RETRACTED Gigantor XL Solar Array
  • 2.770018 0.8184504 DEPLOYED LY-99 Large Landing Gear
  • 1.500829 0.8234898 Default TR-18D Stack Separator
  • 1.255602 0.8251827 DEPLOYED LY-50 Medium Landing Gear
  • 0.06829663 0.8252227 RETRACTED LT-1 Landing Struts
  • 4.019662 0.8257216 Default RoveMax Model XL3
  • 0.1563825 0.8268632 Default Modular Girder Segment
  • 0.1563825 0.8268632 Default Modular Girder Segment XL
  • 1.292107 0.826995 fullDeflectionNeg A.I.R.B.R.A.K.E.S
  • 0.1400948 0.8270175 Default TT-70 Radial Decoupler
  • 0.1028258 0.8320935 Default RoveMax Model S2
  • 0.4079032 0.8356299 Default Stratus-V Cylindrified Monopropellant Tank
  • 2.173284 0.8379832 A Clamp-O-Tron Shielded Docking Port
  • 1.29864 0.8380613 fullDeflectionPos A.I.R.B.R.A.K.E.S
  • 5.34104 0.8409463 Default PPD-12 Cupola Module
  • 0.1383333 0.8421784 RETRACTED LT-2 Landing Strut
  • 0.02302167 0.8426529 Default Sepratron I
  • 2.920341 0.8429655 Default Mk2 Bicoupler
  • 11.00077 0.8435503 Default TR-38-D
  • 0.1227822 0.8472515 DEPLOYED LT-05 Micro Landing Strut
  • 1.491162 0.8475458 Default Mk1 Fuselage - Intake
  • 0.4079709 0.8480761 Default Stratus-V Roundified Monopropellant Tank
  • 3.017635 0.8486534 Default Rockomax HubMax Multi-Point Connector
  • 1.744051 0.8601256 Default TT18-A Launch Stability Enhancer
  • 5.900002 0.8656932 Default TVR-400L Stack Quad-Adapter
  • 0.06222124 0.8659472 Default Z-100 Rechargeable Battery Pack
  • 11.09492 0.8672472 Default Kerbodyne S3-14400 Tank
  • 0.06201784 0.8677153 Default RV-105 RCS Thruster Block
  • 0.1066288 0.86804 RETRACTED SP-L 1x6 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.1066288 0.86804 RETRACTED SP-W 3x2 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 11.00097 0.8703182 Default Kerbodyne S3-3600 Tank
  • 11.00077 0.8703601 Default Kerbodyne S3-7200 Tank
  • 0.002602082 0.8724858 Default 2HOT Thermometer
  • 1.422248 0.8726512 Default Mk1 Inline Cockpit
  • 12.46603 0.8735549 Default S3 KS-25x4 "Mammoth" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.02455195 0.8763497 Default LV-1R "Spider" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 3.035019 0.8765234 Default TVR-200 Stack Bi-Coupler
  • 0.7979784 0.8789322 Default XM-G50 Radial Air Intake
  • 0.08672652 0.8820359 Default Octagonal Strut
  • 2.832794 0.8839089 A Mk2 Inline Cockpit
  • 2.832794 0.8839089 B Mk2 Inline Cockpit
  • 1.213026 0.8857412 Default Engine Pre-cooler
  • 1.298492 0.8869943 Default Small Holding Tank
  • 1.250829 0.890376 Default TR-18A Stack Decoupler
  • 0.05712634 0.8928639 EXTENDED_B OX-4W 3x2 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.05803576 0.8956292 RETRACTED OX-4L 1x6 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.135664 0.9036931 Default PB-X50R Xenon Container
  • 1.213026 0.9058469 Default Tail Connector B
  • 1.213026 0.905847 Default Tail Connector A
  • 0.3579872 0.9071469 Default Fuel Cell Array
  • 0.5117092 0.9141183 Default Telus-LV Bay Mobility Enhancer
  • 1.030476 0.91494 Default Clamp-O-Tron Docking Port
  • 0.01850027 0.9158732 Default PB-NUK Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator
  • 5.095304 0.9190335 Default AE-FF2 Airstream Protective Shell (2.5m)
  • 0.3227818 0.9203191 Default Clamp-O-Tron Docking Port Jr.
  • 1.213026 0.9207465 Default FL-A5 Adapter
  • 12.97919 0.9226444 EXTENDED_B Gigantor XL Solar Array
  • 1.213026 0.9240832 Default FL-R25 RCS Fuel Tank
  • 0.3062892 0.9249389 Default Small Inline Reaction Wheel
  • 5.2274 0.9270337 Default Rockomax Jumbo-64 Fuel Tank
  • 0.2518217 0.9304264 EXTENDED_A Gigantor XL Solar Array
  • 0.05547886 0.9318035 RETRACTED OX-4W 3x2 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.0190722 0.9318434 Default Double-C Seismic Accelerometer
  • 5.167493 0.9326634 Default Rockomax X200-8 Fuel Tank
  • 5.167493 0.9326643 Default Rockomax X200-32 Fuel Tank
  • 5.167493 0.9326647 Default Rockomax X200-16 Fuel Tank
  • 1.336596 0.9332057 Default AE-FF1 Airstream Protective Shell (1.25m)
  • 1.299081 0.9353406 Default CR-7 R.A.P.I.E.R. Engine
  • 5.02826 0.9356834 Default Large Holding Tank
  • 1.213026 0.9359285 Clean LV-T30 "Reliant" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 1.213026 0.9359285 Clean LV-T45 "Swivel" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 1.225164 0.936101 Fairing LV-T30 "Reliant" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 1.225164 0.9361377 Fairing LV-T45 "Swivel" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.3032565 0.937167 Default FL-R10 RCS Fuel Tank
  • 0.09160883 0.9372497 RETRACTED LT-05 Micro Landing Strut
  • 0.2375867 0.9394995 Default Probodobodyne QBE
  • 11.28847 0.9395066 Default AE-FF3 Airstream Protective Shell (3.75m)
  • 1.22379 0.9398503 Default PB-X750 Xenon Container
  • 4.911672 0.9399109 Default Mk2 Lander Can
  • 2.20784 0.9474164 Default Mk1 Lander Can
  • 0.9546443 0.9507048 Default Structural Intake
  • 4.974336 0.9522132 Default PPD-10 Hitchhiker Storage Container
  • 0.08041194 0.9525769 B Communotron 88-88
  • 10.91724 0.9530882 Default Mk3 to 3.75m Adapter
  • 0.06273968 0.9534463 EXTENDED_B OX-4L 1x6 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 1.218463 0.9538159 B SC-9001 Science Jr.
  • 5.049782 0.954417 Default TVR-300L Stack Tri-Adapter
  • 5.201299 0.9547606 Default Mobile Processing Lab MPL-LG-2
  • 1.270047 0.9548502 Clean Heat Shield (1.25m)
  • 4.98264 0.955739 Clean Heat Shield (2.5m)
  • 4.943268 0.9563304 Default Clamp-O-Tron Docking Port Sr.
  • 1.179047 0.9564069 Default FL-T200 Fuel Tank
  • 1.234128 0.9579991 A SC-9001 Science Jr.
  • 10.99105 0.9581243 Clean Heat Shield (3.75m)
  • 4.83552 0.960785 Default Rockomax Brand Adapter 02
  • 1.213026 0.9616039 Clean LV-909 "Terrier" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 4.920165 0.9618174 Default ISRU Converter
  • 0.3032565 0.9619116 Default Oscar-B Fuel Tank
  • 1.225164 0.9619871 Fairing LV-909 "Terrier" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 2.494907 0.962501 A Mk2 Cargo Bay CRG-08
  • 2.494907 0.962501 B Mk2 Cargo Bay CRG-08
  • 2.494907 0.962501 A Mk2 Cargo Bay CRG-04
  • 2.494907 0.962501 B Mk2 Cargo Bay CRG-04
  • 2.494907 0.962501 A Mk2 Clamp-O-Tron
  • 2.494907 0.962501 B Mk2 Clamp-O-Tron
  • 2.00367 0.9627626 Default MK2 Drone Core
  • 1.213026 0.9634836 Default FL-T800 Fuel Tank
  • 1.213026 0.9635206 Default FL-T400 Fuel Tank
  • 1.209465 0.9635211 Default FL-T100 Fuel Tank
  • 1.435374 0.963743 Fairing Heat Shield (1.25m)
  • 0.1292328 0.9638181 Default The Not-Rockomax Micronode
  • 12.44468 0.9640147 Fairing Heat Shield (3.75m)
  • 1.213026 0.964168 Default Z-1k Rechargeable Battery Bank
  • 5.323979 0.9645097 Fairing Heat Shield (2.5m)
  • 11.02835 0.9671375 Fairing Kerbodyne KR-2L+ "Rhino" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 11.02835 0.9671375 Clean Kerbodyne KR-2L+ "Rhino" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.08431777 0.9676359 Default Fuel Cell
  • 1.397561 0.9707813 Default RC-001S Remote Guidance Unit
  • 0.3421403 0.9713244 Default Telus Mobility Enhancer
  • 2.495003 0.9716405 Default Mk2 Rocket Fuel Fuselage Short
  • 2.495003 0.9716405 Default Mk2 Liquid Fuel Fuselage Short
  • 2.495003 0.9716405 Default Mk2 Monopropellant Tank
  • 2.494907 0.9716777 Default Mk2 Rocket Fuel Fuselage
  • 2.494907 0.9716777 Default Mk2 Liquid Fuel Fuselage
  • 2.494812 0.9716985 A MK2 Crew Cabin
  • 2.494812 0.9716985 B MK2 Crew Cabin
  • 1.09417 0.973163 EXTENDED_A SP-W 3x2 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 1.119855 0.973442 EXTENDED_A SP-L 1x6 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 1.275294 0.9736242 Default J-X4 "Whiplash" Turbo Ramjet Engine
  • 1.341376 0.9752622 A Inline Clamp-O-Tron
  • 4.873881 0.9755011 Default Z-4K Rechargeable Battery Bank
  • 0.3032566 0.9770594 Default Z-200 Rechargeable Battery Bank
  • 0.1078951 0.9788685 Default Hydraulic Detachment Manifold
  • 0.09692431 0.9788955 Default Surface Scanning Module
  • 1.368542 0.979327 Default RT-10 "Hammer" Solid Fuel Booster
  • 0.164711 0.9793838 Default Z-400 Rechargeable Battery
  • 1.280057 0.9798979 Default Advanced Inline Stabilizer
  • 5.269597 0.9805592 Default RC-L01 Remote Guidance Unit
  • 1.0 0.9811638 Default M-1x1 Structural Panel
  • 4.0 0.9831746 Default M-2x2 Structural Panel
  • 1.5224 0.9840678 Default Probodobodyne RoveMate
  • 0.3032565 0.9867921 Fairing 48-7S "Spark" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.3032565 0.9867921 Clean 48-7S "Spark" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 1.288626 0.987366 Default J-33 "Wheesley" Basic Jet Engine
  • 4.852096 0.9880731 Fairing RE-M3 "Mainsail" Liquid Engine
  • 4.852096 0.9880731 Clean RE-M3 "Mainsail" Liquid Engine
  • 4.852105 0.9889317 Fairing RE-L10 "Poodle" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 4.852105 0.9889317 Clean RE-L10 "Poodle" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.003944054 0.9889904 A Communotron 16
  • 0.003944054 0.9889904 B Communotron 16
  • 4.852105 0.9893315 Default TVR-200L Stack Bi-Adapter
  • 0.05062994 0.9895929 Default TT-38K Radial Decoupler
  • 1.233268 0.9902019 B Inline Clamp-O-Tron
  • 0.9842955 0.9916865 EXTENDED_A OX-4W 3x2 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 1.017098 0.9919019 EXTENDED_A OX-4L 1x6 Photovoltaic Panels
  • 0.3914828 0.9935443 Default Probodobodyne OKTO
  • 0.2808021 0.9935781 Default Probodobodyne OKTO2
  • 1.164635 0.993589 Default BZ-52 Radial Attachment Point
  • 4.852105 0.9939718 Fairing RE-I5 "Skipper" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 4.852105 0.9939718 Clean RE-I5 "Skipper" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 1.322598 0.9949158 Default RT-5 "Flea" Solid Fuel Booster
  • 1.203519 0.9951853 Default Mk1 Liquid Fuel Fuselage
  • 1.203519 0.9951853 Default Structural Fuselage
  • 0.402149 0.9964361 Default Probodobodyne HECS
  • 0.0218195 0.9968643 Default GRAVMAX Negative Gravioli Detector
  • 0.0194956 0.997937 Default PresMat Barometer
  • 1.353723 0.9985632 A Service Bay (1.25m)
  • 5.414894 0.9985632 A Service Bay (2.5m)
  • 1.286295 0.9987032 B Service Bay (1.25m)
  • 5.145181 0.9987032 B Service Bay (2.5m)
  • 10.33763 0.9995237 A Mk3 Passenger Module
  • 10.33763 0.9995237 B Mk3 Passenger Module
  • 1.562124 0.9999235 B Mk3 Cargo Bay CRG-100
  • 1.562122 0.9999235 B Mk3 Cargo Bay CRG-50
  • 1.562122 0.9999235 B Mk3 Cargo Bay CRG-25
  • 1.539374 0.9999771 A Mk3 Cargo Bay CRG-100
  • 1.539374 0.9999771 A Mk3 Cargo Bay CRG-50
  • 1.539374 0.9999771 A Mk3 Cargo Bay CRG-25
  • 0.3032565 1.0 Default IX-6315 "Dawn" Electric Propulsion System
  • 1.219507 1.0 Default T-1 Toroidal "Aerospike" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 0.06776706 1.0 Default LV-1 "Ant" Liquid Fuel Engine
  • 10.30376 1.0 Default Mk3 Rocket Fuel Fuselage Long
  • 10.30376 1.0 Default Mk3 Rocket Fuel Fuselage Short
  • 10.30376 1.0 Default Mk3 Rocket Fuel Fuselage
  • 10.30376 1.0 Default Mk3 Liquid Fuel Fuselage Long
  • 10.30376 1.0 Default Mk3 Liquid Fuel Fuselage Short
  • 10.30376 1.0 Default Mk3 Liquid Fuel Fuselage
  • 10.30376 1.0 Default Mk3 Monopropellant Tank
  • 4.852105 1.0 Default FL-R1 RCS Fuel Tank
  • 0.3032565 1.0 Default PB-X150 Xenon Container
  • 0.02103621 1.0 Default M-Beam 200 I-Beam
  • 0.02103621 1.0 Default M-Beam 200 I-Beam Pocket Edition
  • 0.1215936 1.0 Default M-Beam 650 I-Beam
  • 0.01524941 1.0 Default Cubic Octagonal Strut
  • 0.3032565 1.0 Default TR-2C Stack Separator
  • 0.3032565 1.0 Default TR-2V Stack Decoupler
  • 12.2298 1.698923 DEPLOYED Mk25 Parachute
  • 8.060574 3.852072 DEPLOYED Mk12-R Radial-Mount Drogue Chute
  • 52.80032 8.565606 DEPLOYED Mk16 Parachute
  • 114.9405 12.0685 DEPLOYED Mk16-XL Parachute
  • 32.24229 27.92752 DEPLOYED Mk2-R Radial-Mount Parachute

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Nice work, zarakon! The next time I refine/ retest engines, I think I'll use the shock cone instead of the "plain" intake, even if its a little more massive. Here's the current V. 1.02 graph for your perusal:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/121394-60-Dry-Mass-Engine-Load-Test-Graph-%28KSP-v-1-0?p=1940701&viewfull=1#post1940701

Hopefully we'll be seeing more such things from you, like your cone tests. The fact that you'd put an engine on upside down to test its aerodynamics shows that you think "outside the box". :)

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