DevNotes: "something rather brilliant from RoverDude"

[Robotengineer]

At least it gives us Kerbal Space Pundits something to do between controversies.

[Levelord]

If they are changing the aerodynamics yet again I'm going to be so annoyed and disappointed. :I

[JackDugan]

Fueling it

This could be a hint.

[theend3r]

I vote for radiators. Some inflatable parts from the USI Survivability pack would be great too but that seems rather unlikely.

[Laie]

(service bays with sliding doors) That would not change the colliders tho.

I was mostly asking because of aesthetics. Moving parts vanishing into other pieces just isn't right, whether they cause damage or no. I only heard from others that the doors can wreck ships, because I myself never put a bay in a place where it could have caused damage... that's the power of self-censorship.

[Polstar]

Hint in the text.... Ears burning, its super cool... My guess is radiators.

[JoCRaM]

thought my ears were burning ... It's a small thing ... pleased with where it landed

Obviously grid fins which double as radiators.

[Captain Sierra]

Notes to people thinking this is heat pipes and radiators, here's some info for ya.

Nertea just finished the update on NF Electrical, also splittng off the universal radiators into a new mod, Heat Control, which literally does everything your talking about.

Following that release, Roverdude actually said in the NF thread he planned to take that as a dependency (no point reinventing the wheel). For the above reason I highly doubt that he's pushing it into stock (more importantly, that'd be highly unethical between modders; I dare to assume Roverdude is not the kind of person to do that).

As such I'm casting my vote on aerobraking/landing predictions.

[Yukon0009]

Inflatables?

[luizopiloto]

Spacesuit embedded parachutes?

[-RanZ-]

adding ablation as a tweakable to aero parts?

fuel pipes would be beyond sweet!

[RoverDude]

I was mostly asking because of aesthetics. Moving parts vanishing into other pieces just isn't right, whether they cause damage or no. I only heard from others that the doors can wreck ships, because I myself never put a bay in a place where it could have caused damage... that's the power of self-censorship.

Your first sentence is contradictory. The doors are hinged, they do not vanish into other pieces. And many folks have had no issue with service bays, only folks that cram them so full of stuff they start to intersect with eachother and the other colliders (like when Das Valdez stuffed an ore drill inside of one).

[basic.syntax]

RoverDude, on service bays: I've been advising folks to keep stuff away from the inside sides.

Placement there seems to interfere with door collision geometry.

Am I off base? Something else?

Top-down view showing areas to avoid.

Normal view of same service bay.

Problem can manifest as parts being undecided where they are attached, noticed when I switch active craft.

Whether doors are open or closed. Affected parts will appear to "jump" rapidly in or outside the bay, until the doors are toggled.

In above pictures, parts are in balance and I don't have problems. But when I moved the small mono tanks closer to the sides, I had problems as noted above.

Another recommendation I have read, seems helpful:

Disable angle snap © when attaching stuff inside service bays. For some reason angle snap attaches stuff to the outside walls.

Also, Bob's "Disco" dance floor / lab, is psychotic

[Laie]

Your first sentence is contradictory. The doors are hinged, they do not vanish into other pieces.

Ahmmm... I know exactly what I mean, why don't you understand? (stamps foot)

Let's try that again: I do not put the service bay in a place where it's doors could interfere with any other part of the vessel, just because I can't stand the way it looks when you open the doors and they clip into another part of the vessel. As almost their entire diameter is door and they swing wiiiide open, this is rather limiting.

Today I've heard that this wouldn't be merely cosmetic, that opening doors will squish and destroy other parts. I don't know if that's true... because of my preferences I never was at risk of finding out, and am away from KSP right now so that can't test it. In my previous post I assumed that this was a well-known fact, though.

[RoverDude]

Yes the doors would - they have colliders.

Basic.syntax - that diagram is correct, there are six side colliders formed by the two sides and the four doors. Having stuff intersect those can cause issues.

[DancesWithSquirrels]

Hinges ala Infernal Robotics would be nice (fold me a larger rover), now that aerodynamics actually mean something and you need to fit stuff in a fairing. But I would bet on passive/dynamic radiators, perhaps with an insulator part.

[Feradose]

Taking everything RoverDude said (even breathing stops and spaces) and thinking for a straight 10 seconds, I believe that I will have to wait for 1.0.3 release because community is so full of ideas that squad wont implement (yet, please)

[RocketPilot573]

My guess is... Hinges!

Please.

[TMS]

Didn't RoverDude mention ages ago that he was working on a stripped-down version KAS at some point?

I'm sure he mentioned it in relation to Karbonite.

My money's on the fuel pipes.

[basic.syntax]

Basic.syntax - that diagram is correct, there are six side colliders formed by the two sides and the four doors. Having stuff intersect those can cause issues.

Could the model be modified with an additional "Keep out!" collider, or visual geometry? (It seems that the safe placement area is a box inside a cylinder. Players do want to try stuffing everything that they can, in the available cylinder space that they see. If the 'unsafe areas' were blocked off, even if just visually, it might reduce some of the support calls.) At the least, what about a yellow/black dashed construction-tape-line added to the texture, to demarcate the "safe / unsafe" areas?

[Mat2ch]

Do you feel it? The Hypetrain is approaching!

[Whirligig Girl]

Do you feel it? The Hypetrain is approaching!

I'm not bringing the HypeTrain out for a rebalancing patch. Even if it has a seeeecret feature. I'll let a HypeBus or something take it.

The HypeTrain had an... accident on a test run wherein due to the replacement of industrial-grade welds with duct tape, the boiler decided to cease its connections with other parts of the vehicle. As soon as the boiler is found, it will be fixed up and reassembled.

The major problem is that if Hype is generated, the boiler will fill with scalding hot HypeSteam while the engineers are still working on it!

And indeed I will probably be riding the HypeBus as well, but it would be too short a trip with not enough hyped people for the HypeTrain.

Edited June 10, 2015 by GregroxMun

[RoverDude]

Could the model be modified with an additional "Keep out!" collider, or visual geometry? (It seems that the safe placement area is a box inside a cylinder. Players do want to try stuffing everything that they can, in the available cylinder space that they see. If the 'unsafe areas' were blocked off, even if just visually, it might reduce some of the support calls.) At the least, what about a yellow/black dashed construction-tape-line added to the texture, to demarcate the "safe / unsafe" areas?

Actually the safe area is a hexagonal cylinder, and those edges are pretty small.

[Angelo Kerman]

I would say heat radiators as that is on oft requested feature and several of us have rolled our own solutions in the interim. If that's the case and they work like my DSEV radiators then I'm a happy camper.

[micr0wave]

cool, landed, green ..... it's a pistachio icecream driller for minmus