Pappystein Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Beccab said: Fun fact: in one of the NTRS docs that has been purged in 2012 (thanks again senator Wolf), there's an interesting LM variant proposal: using the LM ascent stage to go from a spacecraft in the orbit of mars (the baseline IPP highly elliptical orbit to salve delta V) to the surface of the martian moons and back using its 2100 m/s of delta v Since I went through the effort to to FOIA a couple of the documents that Senator Wolf's efforts got expunged.... Some Facts: 1) NASA is not likely to re-institute most of these documents that were purged to the PUBLIC NTRS servers. They, the documents, are actually considered proprietary information for Contractor X Y And Z by NASA of today. Regardless of the fact that the documents were prepared on contract for NASA and are reports TO NASA. 2) If A document on the list of purged documents is not available on NTRS today And is a NASA Created document, a simple request *should* get it re-instated. Worst comes to worst a FOIA request. This is how I got the drawings and information for my Saturn C-II and C-III article. TL:DR and my opinions version: NASA has seemed to have a shift in their relationships with various historical or current contractors. A lot of documents that were purged in 2012, are documents that NASA considers "not theirs to disseminate." For example, I requested EVERY Saturn C-II document that was purged in 2012. I was given access to one (which is now again on the NTRS Public servers!) I had multiple phone-calls and e-mails over my FOIA request. I was told point blank that the documents by TRW, Boeing, Lockheed etc were all owned by their respective companies and were not shareable even under FOIA. Given these were contracted reports **TO** NASA I think we can agree this was a load of Bull excrement. That being said, the overview from Marshal Space Flight center was the main document I wanted so I jumped at the chance of getting that and not fighting further. Now me reading between the lines here: NTRS servers are divided into PUBLIC and CONTRACTOR/Government side servers. Any company NASA works with has access (with a clearance program) to the CONTRACTOR side of the NTRS server. All the documents that we lost access to thanks to Senator Wolf, STILL EXIST. They are just on the Contractor only side. Getting contractor created documents released publicly will be like pulling teeth but it probably CAN be done. Actually NASA origin documents being much easier (and less costly) to free than documents from say Bell Aircraft on Lunar launch configuration feasibility or whatever. I BELIEVE this is also why many of the documents do not exist on Archive.org or other sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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