[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.13.0 "Забытый" 13/Aug/2023)

[TiktaalikDreaming]

2 hours ago, Drakenex said:

Yup, auto struts or KJR

For really large craft, KJR works better. Of course it's nice to be able to keep it stock, so until you reach the point where autostrut isn't cutting it, it's probably the preferred solution.

A full Saturn V stack may be at the level you would be thinking KJR though.

[Drakenex]

haha is too hard to intercept Titan so I've quit early on the mission, I'll try later 

 

[TheRedTom]

17 minutes ago, Drakenex said:

haha is too hard to intercept Titan so I've quit early on the mission, I'll try later 

 

Titan IV looks amazing! Where did you get that awesome Cassini?

[Drakenex]

3 hours ago, TheRedTom said:

Titan IV looks amazing! Where did you get that awesome Cassini?

PM sent

[CobaltWolf]

I felt Vega deserved some love. Old on left, new on right.

[TiktaalikDreaming]

2 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

I felt Vega deserved some love. Old on left, new on right.

That's super nice.  I especially like the changes to the engine bell and the piping.
Is that some sort of isometric view?  It may be optical illusion, but it looks a bit like anti-perspective almost.

[CobaltWolf]

6 hours ago, TiktaalikDreaming said:

That's super nice.  I especially like the changes to the engine bell and the piping.
Is that some sort of isometric view?  It may be optical illusion, but it looks a bit like anti-perspective almost.

Yes, it's isometric. In unity click the viewcube at the top right, or just click where it says 'PER' underneath it.

[wallum61]

12 hours ago, Drakenex said:

PM sent

Im interested in your builds too... could i get a PM too? 

[davidy12]

On 9/14/2017 at 1:01 PM, G'th said:

 

 

 

What's the Descent stage composed of?

[GregT]

First off Great mod ! I love the Saturn V. I'm having trouble with the LEM for 1.3. My Kerbals are having trouble getting back up the ladder on eva's. Any suggestions? 

 

[Pappystein]

12 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

I felt Vega deserved some love. Old on left, new on right.

 

Nice improvement! 

@CobaltWolf  Each new texture seems to have some improvement over the last.   Vega was good before but dayum... now....  WOW!

So does this means I don't have to keep using the Excelsior (Blue-Streak) small balloon tank then for Vega?  

46 minutes ago, GregT said:

First off Great mod ! I love the Saturn V. I'm having trouble with the LEM for 1.3. My Kerbals are having trouble getting back up the ladder on eva's. Any suggestions? 

 

Actually your step 1 would be to go to the first page and then visit the Github and see if anyone has posted an issue in the bug tracker relating to this.  

I didn't open any of the issues currently listed at :https://github.com/CobaltWolf/Bluedog-Design-Bureau/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

But by title I did not see anything related to Spica lander (the Apollo Lander's name in BDB)

 I haven't used the lander in a while and we often times see issues with one mod playing with another, so this might not be related to THIS mod even though the part in question is from it.  Now Cobalt has had issues with ladders with some of the older parts (sliding Kerbals on Gemini and Mercury for example) but I don't remember this being one of them.   I have just unlocked the lander in my career and am planning a visit to Iota today with it...  

Edited September 17, 2017 by Pappystein
Link and followup to Github issues tracker

[Pappystein]

So I have already edited these two entries out of my copy of the Optional Saturn Multibody parts cfg (in the BDB extra folder.) but can someone tell me why the UA-1207 was DOWNscaled for Saturn?

Spoiler

+PART[bluedog_Titan_SRB7seg]
{
    @name = bluedog_Titan_SRB7seg_Saturn
    @author = CobaltWolf Feat. Drakenex
    @MODEL
    {
        %scale = 0.8, 0.67, 0.8
    }
    @scale = 0.67
    @node_attach = 1.2, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0
    @title = Sarnus-MB-UA1207 Solid Booster
    @description = Titan 7-segment solid rocket motor used on Sarnus Multibody.
    @mass = 6
    @tags = solid srb booster 1.5 saturn sarnus multibody

    @RESOURCE[SolidFuel]
    {
        @amount = 4755
        @maxAmount = 4755
    }
}

+PART[bluedog_Titan_SRBnose]
{
    @name = bluedog_Saturn_SRBnose
    @author = CobaltWolf Feat. Drakenex
    @MODEL
    {
        %scale = 0.8, 0.9, 0.8
    }
    @scale = 0.9
    @tags = srb booster nose cone solid sep separation saturn sarnus multibody
}

I would assume that this was to represent the 156" UA1562 or UA1563 ESRM (Enhanced Solid Rocket Motor) that was built and tested but never launched....But 156" is LARGER than 120"

Thanks for the clarification

[CobaltWolf]

22 minutes ago, Pappystein said:

Nice improvement! 

@CobaltWolf  Each new texture seems to have some improvement over the last.   Vega was good before but dayum... now....  WOW!

So does this means I don't have to keep using the Excelsior (Blue-Streak) small balloon tank then for Vega?  

I mean, you probably shouldn't have in the first place? But yes, I suppose so. Once this is on Github. I'm switching to Centaur updates now.

 

1 hour ago, GregT said:

First off Great mod ! I love the Saturn V. I'm having trouble with the LEM for 1.3. My Kerbals are having trouble getting back up the ladder on eva's. Any suggestions?

22 minutes ago, Pappystein said:

Actually your step 1 would be to go to the first page and then visit the Github and see if anyone has posted an issue in the bug tracker relating to this.  

I didn't open any of the issues currently listed at :https://github.com/CobaltWolf/Bluedog-Design-Bureau/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

But by title I did not see anything related to Spica lander (the Apollo Lander's name in BDB)

 I haven't used the lander in a while and we often times see issues with one mod playing with another, so this might not be related to THIS mod even though the part in question is from it.  Now Cobalt has had issues with ladders with some of the older parts (sliding Kerbals on Gemini and Mercury for example) but I don't remember this being one of them.   I have just unlocked the lander in my career and am planning a visit to Iota today with it... 

@Pappystein the lander is named 'Sina', after the Hawaiian moon goddess.

@GregT unfortunately, making lander/airlock colliders is one of the trickiest parts of KSP modding. I will log an issue on Github to take a look at it before I release the next update (coming once Atlas, Centaur, and Vega updates are done). However, assuming you have put it together correctly, it should be *possible*, if not *easy* to get them in. I know I've done it before.

 

7 minutes ago, Pappystein said:

So I have already edited these two entries out of my copy of the Optional Saturn Multibody parts cfg (in the BDB extra folder.) but can someone tell me why the UA-1207 was DOWNscaled for Saturn

I would assume that this was to represent the 156" UA1562 or UA1563 ESRM (Enhanced Solid Rocket Motor) that was built and tested but never launched....But 156" is LARGER than 120"

Thanks for the clarification

Probably because the Saturn is underscaled in BDB (for several reasons), which then makes the UA120X boosters small compared to it. @Drakenex probably did it so they'd fit the artwork.

Edited September 17, 2017 by CobaltWolf

[Pappystein]

3 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

I mean, you probably shouldn't have in the first place? But yes, I suppose so. Once this is on Github. I'm switching to Centaur updates now.

 

@Pappystein the lander is named 'Sina', after the Hawaiian moon goddess.

 

 That is what I get for using the optional rename cfg for all your parts! 

3 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

Probably because the Saturn is underscaled in BDB (for several reasons), which then makes the UA120X boosters small compared to it. @Drakenex probably did it so they'd fit the artwork.

Ah, didn't think of THAT particular reason but I should have known better  THANKS!

Edited September 17, 2017 by Pappystein

[RaiderMan]

does this mod include preassembled launch stacks, eg launcher+payload, for those wishing to just get in and play for a bit?

[CobaltWolf]

31 minutes ago, RaiderMan said:

does this mod include preassembled launch stacks, eg launcher+payload, for those wishing to just get in and play for a bit?

Check the craft files link in the OP, I don't maintain any myself.

[RaiderMan]

gotcha. shouldnt be too hard to build one myself in any event eh?

[RaiderMan]

where do I put folder BD_Extras?

[Aelfhe1m]

6 minutes ago, RaiderMan said:

where do I put folder BD_Extras?

You pick and choose the elements out of that folder that you want. Some of them get copied into GameData and others have a nested GameData folder that needs to be merged with your main GameData.

[RaiderMan]

translation: unless there's something I wanna try based on user feedback, I'm better off not worrying?

[RaiderMan]

..help? from the lander adapter module down, what is the assembly order for each grouping of parts? I'm hardly a novice rocket builder but for the life of me I cant figure out what tank goes to what stage..

 

trying to put together a saturn V launch stack.

Edited September 17, 2017 by RaiderMan

[GregT]

3 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

I mean, you probably shouldn't have in the first place? But yes, I suppose so. Once this is on Github. I'm switching to Centaur updates now.

 

@Pappystein the lander is named 'Sina', after the Hawaiian moon goddess.

@GregT unfortunately, making lander/airlock colliders is one of the trickiest parts of KSP modding. I will log an issue on Github to take a look at it before I release the next update (coming once Atlas, Centaur, and Vega updates are done). However, assuming you have put it together correctly, it should be *possible*, if not *easy* to get them in. I know I've done it before.

 

Probably because the Saturn is underscaled in BDB (for several reasons), which then makes the UA120X boosters small compared to it. @Drakenex probably did it so they'd fit the artwork.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[CobaltWolf]

1 hour ago, RaiderMan said:

where do I put folder BD_Extras?

1 hour ago, Aelfhe1m said:

You pick and choose the elements out of that folder that you want. Some of them get copied into GameData and others have a nested GameData folder that needs to be merged with your main GameData.

1 hour ago, RaiderMan said:

translation: unless there's something I wanna try based on user feedback, I'm better off not worrying?

Most likely. It's all stuff that people made that I wanted to keep in one place, but none of it is stuff that I want to actually provide support for in any way.

55 minutes ago, RaiderMan said:

..help? from the lander adapter module down, what is the assembly order for each grouping of parts? I'm hardly a novice rocket builder but for the life of me I cant figure out what tank goes to what stage..

Some reading on the IRL Saturn V is probably helpful - they come up if you search for the real stage names (ex: sivb for the upper stage). There is also a manual produced by the awesome @DiscoSlelge linked in the first post of the thread which includes stage-by-stage building instructions along with an overall look at the rocket, starting on page 66.

And, just to make sure, you're attaching the lander's bottom to the LAM, not to the bottom of the Apollo engine?

[RaiderMan]

not using the lander,  DID get the hab mounted.

promptly got lost trying to assemble the third stage booster.

[G'th]

9 hours ago, davidy12 said:

What's the Descent stage composed of?

That would be Linuxgamers Altair Descent Stage (also tweakscale enabled) along with tweakscale enabled landing legs from Planetary Bases.

However, I've tweaked the design a bit since so it now look like this:

So thats its a lot more accurate.