[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.13.0 "Забытый" 13/Aug/2023)

[Zorg]

14 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

Past that, there's the large SAF fairings. I can't speak to whether any of those will include some sort of mounting option for the CSM - Zorg, is adding a B9 switch to make a 2.5m hole in the nose of the SAF fairings possible? Might be the best solution.

 

Its tricky because the SLA module handles the decoupling of the top node and the panel jettison together. SAF doesnt do this and is in general a little messy for this use case. Perhaps the better solution would be an independent 4.25m structural barrel section to use below the SLA.

[CobaltWolf]

3 minutes ago, Zorg said:

Its tricky because the SLA module handles the decoupling of the top node and the panel jettison together. SAF doesnt do this and is in general a little messy for this use case. Perhaps the better solution would be an independent 4.25m structural barrel section to use below the SLA.

I think if the player is trying to launch big payloads, then just dual launch it and rendezvous in orbit. Put the CSM on a smaller rocket with the SLA

[Beccab]

22 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

Just turning off boiloff is for cowards

What was the plan to manage hydrogen all the way to the moon to use the SIVB as a lander? In KSP hydrogen disappears almost completely by the time it gets to LLO

[Pappystein]

12 minutes ago, Beccab said:

What was the plan to manage hydrogen all the way to the moon to use the SIVB as a lander? In KSP hydrogen disappears almost completely by the time it gets to LLO

I ***THINK*** given what little we know and can thus infer from Centaur... That the engineers all thought "Space is cold no boiloff"  

 

42 minutes ago, Jcking said:

No, the only Eros flyby CSM I know of uses two RL10A-3s and a 4.25 ksp scale cryogenic SM with an enlarged apollo derived capsule.

https://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3070&context=space-congress-proceedings&httpsredir=1&referer=

Thanks, that was one of the documents I was missing.    Much Appreciated.

 

There is another one from the 70s that I was referencing earlier.    Still trying to find that one

 

[Beccab]

8 minutes ago, Pappystein said:

I ***THINK*** given what little we know and can thus infer from Centaur... That the engineers all thought "Space is cold no boiloff"  

 

In their defense, space is quite cold

Edited October 8, 2021 by Beccab

[AtomicTech]

I really like the attention to detail with the part models!

They're hella realistic!

Edited October 8, 2021 by AtomicTech

[Pappystein]

4 minutes ago, Beccab said:

In their defense, space is quite cold

Yep but no one thought about the fact that solar radiation heats our planet up.  they all just assumed that the heat was caused by friction in our atmosphere (at the time.)  

[birdog357]

14 hours ago, OrbitalManeuvers said:

This was too cool not to share. Topic: Venus flyby mission. In spoiler tag for the uninterested.

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This first image is from the NASA mission plan. I have marked 3 significant positions - Venus (orange) and Earth (blue) at launch, and Venus at flyby (green).

This is my KSP tracking station, colored stars overlaid in the same position:

Here's the KSP screen at 65% opacity over the NASA document:

Kind of shocking that it's possible to get this close, tbh.

The NASA flight plan calls for LEO, then transposition and docking, then the ejection burn.

I'm using KSRSS at 2.5x. I launched from Kourou and tried to time my launch so that my equatorial DN would be positioned at/near the ejection burn point. PVG to 130km circular orbit on only the first two stages. I completed the transposition and docking and the rest of the prep for cruise phase within the first revolution so the ejection burn was done at the start of the 2nd revolution. Default boiloff settings.

Took this crappy screencap immediately after completing the burn. Check out my fuel margins. I have an encounter, so I only used 1 ignition and then converted to the lab and extended the solar panels, and now everyone is taking a nap. 

 

 

IIRC, for one of the proposals, the S-IVB was used to kick the whole stack to an extreme elliptical (Lunar distance at AP) orbit, then transposition, purging, checkout and the SPS was used to give the final kick at PE to eject. That way they had an abort option in the first week.

14 hours ago, Pappystein said:

it was covered a few pages ago. Those weren't needed because The Saturn V stack was still in an acceleration state and thus the fuel is completely fine and fully settled.  

HOWEVER   For the purposes of avoiding an abort I would personally keep 2 or 4 of them

 

Funny you bring that point up. On the same mission, they reduced the S-IC retros. They discovered that the stages didn't separate as far as expected and concluded that if just one of the remaining retros failed, they could have a collision, so they reinstalled all the retros.

[SpaceFace545]

Probably not a concept but what about a SLA to fit on the MLV fairing. 

[Neebel]

On 10/6/2021 at 3:51 PM, CobaltWolf said:

AJ-260

Bit late, but AJ-260's are these really large SRB's proposed for the Saturn family, right?

[jefferyharrell]

3 minutes ago, Neebel said:

Bit late, but AJ-260's are these really large SRB's proposed for the Saturn family, right?

Yes. Perfect for big dumb boosters.

[Neebel]

4 minutes ago, jefferyharrell said:

Yes. Perfect for big dumb boosters.

So these'll get a revamp too, nice! Neat screenshot btw

[CobaltWolf]

12 minutes ago, Neebel said:

Bit late, but AJ-260's are these really large SRB's proposed for the Saturn family, right?

9 minutes ago, jefferyharrell said:

Yes. Perfect for big dumb boosters.

4 minutes ago, Neebel said:

So these'll get a revamp too, nice! Neat screenshot btw

Yep, AJ-260s will be revamped in this update cycle.

 

On another note, I will be streaming a lil surprise tonight after I get home from work. So something like 5:30-6PM Eastern time.

[davidy12]

It's broken again. IDK what it is with the IVA

PS: Shouldn't the CSM have the science container option? IDK If you guys are trying to balance it for KSP, but honestly, it's a lot more natural to get all the data from LM transferred into the CSM.

[Pioneer_Steve]

This is just Lunacy... AND ITS AWESOME

[jefferyharrell]

7 minutes ago, Pioneer_Steve said:

This may be my all-time favorite KSP screenshot. Those insulated F1s are so cool.

[Starhelperdude]

the SLA panels seem to be missaligned when used on the VFB mount but they are positioned correctly when used with the normal mount

[davidy12]

11 minutes ago, Starhelperdude said:

the SLA panels seem to be missaligned when used on the VFB mount but they are positioned correctly when used with the normal mount

can't see them. They work fine for me.

[CobaltWolf]

38 minutes ago, Starhelperdude said:

the SLA panels seem to be missaligned when used on the VFB mount but they are positioned correctly when used with the normal mount

Yes, the nodes will have to be adjusted (sorry zorg)

[Starhelperdude]

Choose your fighter

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[AtomicTech]

Oops, can't see it cause my school wifi blocks discord.

sorry 

[Starhelperdude]

14 minutes ago, AtomicTech said:

Oops, can't see it cause my school wifi blocks discord.

sorry 

saturn INT-20 (basically S-1C + S-IVB) or saturn INT-21 (basically S-1C + S-II)

also, good luck in school, 2 weeks ago I managed to get to this exact threat from school

[AtomicTech]

6 minutes ago, Starhelperdude said:

saturn INT-20 (basically S-1C + S-IVB) or saturn INT-21 (basically S-1C + S-II)

also, good luck in school, 2 weeks ago I managed to get to this exact threat from school

Thanks!

Minor question, wdym "threart"?

[Starhelperdude]

35 minutes ago, AtomicTech said:

Thanks!

Minor question, wdym "threart"?

I mean the BDB forum page/chat

[CobaltWolf]

Walking down an alley on a rainy night, you see a flickering neon sign beckoning you inside.
Curious, you stamp out your cigarette, pull open the door, and step inside to discover what awaits you...