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Kerbfleet: A Jool Odyssey-CHAPTER 20 pg 23: Shee--oot, indeed! Or is it 'shee-ot'?

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1 hour ago, FireKerb said:

If a child threatens another child with harassment, even if the other child is bullying them, would you consider that child innocent?

The key word there is 'child' I think. It also depends very much on the age of the child. 

One child of my acquaintance gets angry with his sibling and threatens to kill her. But 'kill' in this context just means he's really, really mad and reaching for the biggest, baddest threat he can conceive of to express his anger. It doesn't mean that he literally plans to find a kitchen knife and stab her in her sleep, for example. Despite all the big words, the concept of, and ramifications of, deliberately ending somebody's life have never occurred to him.

So in that sense, yes he's innocent.

More formally, it's why (in English law at least) we have the concept of actus reus (the criminal act) and mens rea (the criminal mind). Both are required for a person to be guilty. Or, looking this up on Wikipedia (because I recalled the general concept but not the fine details). 

"The terms actus reus and mens rea developed in English Law are derived from the principle stated by Edward Coke namely, actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, which means: "an act does not make a person guilty unless (their) mind is also guilty"; hence, the general test of guilt is one that requires proof of fault, culpability or blameworthiness both in thought and action."

@Dman979 In a similar vein, I would say that Kenlie has very much crossed his Rubicon to the point where he now has mens rea. The crucial thing is whether he would also be able to engage in the corresponding actus reus. Fortunately for him the Kerbulans didn't call his bluff and force him to take that irretrievable step. And provided that kerbalkind as a whole never takes that step either then they will not fall but will merely be a sadder and wiser species.

And wasn't that a cheerful post for a Friday morning. 

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Good analysis, @KSK. I'm reminded of a scene from 12 Angry Men, where [spoilers ahead!] there is a debate about the meaning of "I'm gonna kill you!"

Don't open the spoiler unless you want to ruin a terrific, classic film!

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Earlier in the movie, the jurors are debating a piece of evidence from one of the witnesses, who said that the defendant yelled "I'll kill him!" during a fight. The angry juror (who is accused of being an executioner in this clip) says that the defendant must have intended to kill his father, because the words should be taken at face value. Later on, there is an argument about the potential innocence of the defendant, and an assumption a witness made. Take a look:

 

 

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3 hours ago, Dman979 said:

Good analysis, @KSK. I'm reminded of a scene from 12 Angry Men, where [spoilers ahead!] there is a debate about the meaning of "I'm gonna kill you!"

Don't open the spoiler unless you want to ruin a terrific, classic film!

Thanks!

I'll skip the spoilers because - well spoilers - but I completely agree with you that Kenlie is a changed man from the one we knew. But isn't that the essence of a good character driven story - that those characters change during the story, and not necessarily for the better or the happier?

Swapping genres for a moment, I'm wondering if he'll end up being a Frodo-like character who saves the world but changes too much in the process to ever again be entirely comfortable in that world. And poor Kenlie doesn't have the Grey Havens to escape to.

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On 6/8/2018 at 2:01 PM, KSK said:

Thanks!

I'll skip the spoilers because - well spoilers - but I completely agree with you that Kenlie is a changed man from the one we knew. But isn't that the essence of a good character driven story - that those characters change during the story, and not necessarily for the better or the happier?

Swapping genres for a moment, I'm wondering if he'll end up being a Frodo-like character who saves the world but changes too much in the process to ever again be entirely comfortable in that world. And poor Kenlie doesn't have the Grey Havens to escape to.

so true. I can see that. I could also see everyone being afraid of him come the end. 

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On 5/19/2018 at 1:40 PM, Kuzzter said:

"To the pain..."

That reminds me of a certain movie...

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I suppose I've been away enough (again) that some folks are wondering what happened to me. Remember this?

On 2/17/2018 at 4:29 PM, Kuzzter said:

Well, you're part right in that the thing I'm working on will be submitted to the US government... just a different Department. 

Turns out that whatever that thing was, that Department actually decided to fund it. All I can tell you is that it involves things that are very tall and might help save humanity. But TOTALLY not rockets. Really! 

And so, yeah I was busy before but now I'm really busy--Kerbfleet will continue when it continues, as it always (more or less) has. :D 

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29 minutes ago, Kuzzter said:

I suppose I've been away enough (again) that some folks are wondering what happened to me. Remember this?

Turns out that whatever that thing was, that Department actually decided to fund it. All I can tell you is that it involves things that are very tall and might help save humanity. But TOTALLY not rockets. Really! 

And so, yeah I was busy before but now I'm really busy--Kerbfleet will continue when it continues, as it always (more or less) has. :D 

Awesome!!!

I mean, yeah, it sucks a little you won't have as much time for Kerbfleet. But at least this is a good real life thing, not a bad one, from the sounds of it, and that's really cool! Congrats on whatever it is... :D

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53 minutes ago, Kuzzter said:

Turns out that whatever that thing was, that Department actually decided to fund it. All I can tell you is that it involves things that are very tall and might help save humanity. But TOTALLY not rockets. Really! 

 

Wind turbines?

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2 hours ago, Kuzzter said:

All I can tell you is that it involves things that are very tall and might help save humanity. But TOTALLY not rockets. Really!

 

1 hour ago, roboslacker said:

Wind turbines?

I was thinking Michael Jordan.  Space Jam is that much closer to reality....

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