languages help thread (ancient Greek to date)

[Nemrav]

Um, rather off-topic for the off-topic forum, but considering this site

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http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=9103

appears to be dead, last post in it being from october, I decided that you, the infinitely surprising KSP community would be able to help me... (especially the one who calls himself the forum's amateur historian)

I decided to learn ancient greek, and have gotten past all the initial barriers of pronunciation (such as upsilon) save 2.

1) Kappa vs Khi (or Chi), two K sounds, I keep on hearing of K vs loch, is this loch type K different because of a click in it vs just a K sound ? or am I missing something ?

2) In Theta vs Tau and Pi vs Phi, I can do the aspirated H that comes after the respective sounds, but, since I'm homeschooling myself, I don't know exactly what I would be looking for if I were to speak to someone in it, and to hear myself, I need to exagerate the sound myself. What should I listen for  to improve ?

edit: below I solved these, however anyone should feel free to ask about any language from any period and/or discuss them.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Nemrav

[kookoo_gr]

Hi, i'm Greek and maybe i could help you out. Your problem from what i read is the pronunciation of the Greek letters right? Are you learning ancient Greek or modern Greek?

here is a video with the Greek alphabet and pronunciation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQkHQIjntik

you can make a search at youtube for Greek tv series and Greek movies (the movies are mainly from the 60's and in black and white but the comedies are pure gold) that can help you out with the flow of the Greek dialect 

a playlist of Greek comedies https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUTa2rberh_I352G5N-KsR2lr-n8saxI

i hope i helped a bit and feel free to ask me anything you like

[Nemrav]

Thanks, I'm learning ancient greek, seeing that video it seems amazing to hear how the language has changed over time. I will go back to the comedies when I get a larger vocabulary.

[kookoo_gr]

The pronunciation of the letters has not changed, so the first video will cover you, the only thing that changed over the passing of time are the words and their meaning.

Here is an ancient Creek tragedy called Antigoni, the language is in modern Greek but it has English subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQt_A_P3hwU

Also here are two playlists with ancient Greek plays performed at various ancient Greek theaters over the decades. Unfortunately the language is in modern Greek couldn't find any plays in ancient Greek

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDC98DFD5656AD452

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFD83A8345E155E4C

[YiannisRav]

Hey guys! If you want to listen to kerbal in greek, try this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOXsh62k8_R6wRnvk1g_ZJg
It's quite good, and with content every week.

[ToukieToucan]

On 12/28/2015 at 10:42 PM, Nemrav said:

Um, rather off-topic for the off-topic forum, but considering this site

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http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=9103

appears to be dead, last post in it being from october, I decided that you, the infinitely surprising KSP community would be able to help me... (especially the one who calls himself the forum's amateur historian)

I decided to learn ancient greek, and have gotten past all the initial barriers of pronunciation (such as upsilon) save 2.

1) Kappa vs Khi (or Chi), two K sounds, I keep on hearing of K vs loch, is this loch type K different because of a click in it vs just a K sound ? or am I missing something ?

2) In Theta vs Tau and Pi vs Phi, I can do the aspirated H that comes after the respective sounds, but, since I'm homeschooling myself, I don't know exactly what I would be looking for if I were to speak to someone in it, and to hear myself, I need to exagerate the sound myself. What should I listen for  to improve ?

Ive been learning ancient greek at school for a couple of years the kappa is more dental (coffee, carrot) while the chi is more with a 'g' sound: Ksg.

 

Tauta is a t sound (tand) with theta you get a th sound (not as the but as in tooth)

Pi is p and phi is ph

Iota subscribtum under a word will add an i to the sound. A becomes ai n (<eta) ni, o oi. You get it.

 

Spiritus asper adds an h sound to the letter (the comma facing right) o (with aspar) becomes ho. Oi becomes (with aspar) hoi.

[WinkAllKerb'']

ancient greek is interesting good luck ; )

"ulysse against all odds" "hull ice" "permafrost" // yodisse // "ego" "sum"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguasphere_Observatory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_languages

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_langues

see also, ideo-pictogramm, ideo-phonogramm, ideo-etc. (( (( caracters )) ))

 - DNA process applied to linguistic , linguistic genealogia, "caracters" genealogia)

-  psycho & neuro , learning curve, group identification, love / hate, friendship is magic / wars, ego & ego sum, , ,

>> 70 000 and keep counting

here a rough approximation as tuto/explain (kinda a [wall over wall over wall over wall of text topic and legacy stuff also ])

https://translate.google.fr/community?source=t-new-user
https://translate.google.com/community?source=t-new-user
https://translate.google.(...)/community?source=t-new-user

 

Edited March 30, 2016 by WinkAllKerb''

[Nemrav]

Oh I forgot I made this, here's my thoughts on my own problems now:

Theta is like Théatre (french), chi like character, phi is similar in the explosive nature at its ending.

I could rename this, and make it the language Q/A thread..