Camacha Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said: Wow that made quite a mess of the deck. Quite the apt name for the boat, if it still loves Falcons after that. But it doesn't look like Falcon loves the barge very much I am actually surprised how little damage and debris there is. Rocket landings are pretty binary. They go well, or they do not go well at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Well, you can see they've been cleaning it up, I can see a pallet jack on there. An earlier pic had more stuff on it. From this link On 3/8/2016 at 8:55 AM, sgt_flyer said: nasaspaceflight forum has some high resolution images of the OCISLY barge back into the port - with the stage's debris on it. (when can even see 1 grid fin on one image) http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36326.6300 Zoom in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt_flyer Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, StrandedonEarth said: Well, you can see they've been cleaning it up, I can see a pallet jack on there. An earlier pic had more stuff on it. From this link Zoom in! yup, people on nasaspaceflight forums also seemed to think that the barge was tilted a bit more than normal (by checking the visible waterline at the left of this picture) maybe there is a bit more damage than what's visible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 19 minutes ago, sgt_flyer said: yup, people on nasaspaceflight forums also seemed to think that the barge was tilted a bit more than normal (by checking the visible waterline at the left of this picture) maybe there is a bit more damage than what's visible Yeah, now that you mention it, something does appear off-kilter there. Also, is it SOP to have a containment boom around docked vessels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt_flyer Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, StrandedonEarth said: Yeah, now that you mention it, something does appear off-kilter there. Also, is it SOP to have a containment boom around docked vessels? i don't know if is for spaceX - maybe they are just cautious (after all, while the lox would have evaporated, there might be some RP-1 leftovers that did not burn during the crash - or the barge fuel tanks (for the stationkeeping engines) could have received some damage.) still, guess it would be required if they intend to wash the deck - there's more than likely hydrocarbons residues on the barge's deck maybe if we can find similar barge images from previous attempts for comparison Edited March 10, 2016 by sgt_flyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpaget Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 With all the video feed cutting off at the worst moment, I always wondered why they don't have cameras on a boat that follows the barge. Surely, the barge is not all alone out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredinno Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 6 hours ago, sgt_flyer said: guess we're overdue for a falcon punch joke ? 29 minutes ago, Shpaget said: With all the video feed cutting off at the worst moment, I always wondered why they don't have cameras on a boat that follows the barge. Surely, the barge is not all alone out there. It's probably to avoid immediate bad press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekL1963 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 1 hour ago, fredinno said: 1 hour ago, Shpaget said: With all the video feed cutting off at the worst moment, I always wondered why they don't have cameras on a boat that follows the barge. Surely, the barge is not all alone out there. It's probably to avoid immediate bad press. That and the manned boat is a good long way clear of the barge for safety reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartoffelkuchen Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 On 10.3.2016 at 8:55 AM, DerekL1963 said: That and the manned boat is a good long way clear of the barge for safety reasons. Isn't there always a drone out at the barge, like on CRS-6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredinno Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Kartoffelkuchen said: Isn't there always a drone out at the barge, like on CRS-6? Yes, the barge is a drone ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt_flyer Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) @fredinno @Kartoffelkuchen i think he meant what took the video where we see the 1st stage landing from afar. not sure if it was a drone though. could have been a plane or an helicopter with a stabilised camera (and could also have been from Nasa instead of SpaceX, given CRS-6 was for Nasa). even if SpaceX has such a drone, it wouldn't be really meaningful to use it at night (go and try to land a drone at night if the barge's floodlights are out of order (because of vibration or impact) - the support ships would likely be a bit too far for reaching such a drone before it runs out of power (and if the support ships are beyond the horizon, it would be even worse to try and remotely pilot this drone :p) Edited March 11, 2016 by sgt_flyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartoffelkuchen Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 22 minutes ago, fredinno said: Yes, the barge is a drone ship. Haha, no, you misunderstood me. I meant that I thought that there's always a camera drone / quadrocopter / however at the barge, filming the first stage landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredinno Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 7 minutes ago, Kartoffelkuchen said: Haha, no, you misunderstood me. I meant that I thought that there's always a camera drone / quadrocopter / however at the barge, filming the first stage landing. There is a camera, probably not a drone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawl Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Hey ! Something occured to me... Maybe the reusability argument for landing the 1st stage back is only an excuse to fund the development of the landing autopilot, much more useful than reusability for the future of SpaceX to me. I'm thinking about the autopilot needed for Mars precision landings (supplies, crew...) that might happen in the future. What do you guys think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 35 minutes ago, grawl said: Hey ! Something occured to me... Maybe the reusability argument for landing the 1st stage back is only an excuse to fund the development of the landing autopilot, much more useful than reusability for the future of SpaceX to me. I'm thinking about the autopilot needed for Mars precision landings (supplies, crew...) that might happen in the future. What do you guys think ? No, I don't think they are pretending to get reusability for the sake of secretly practicing autopilot for Mars missions that may not ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yellow Dart Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 This maybe old news to you guys. If so, disregard. SpaceX aiming for November for Falcon Heavy launch. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/11/spacex_first_falcon_heavy_liftoff/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannu2 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 8 hours ago, grawl said: Hey ! Something occured to me... Maybe the reusability argument for landing the 1st stage back is only an excuse to fund the development of the landing autopilot, much more useful than reusability for the future of SpaceX to me. I'm thinking about the autopilot needed for Mars precision landings (supplies, crew...) that might happen in the future. Surely same technology can be used to land on other bodies, at least after they establish some kind of positioning system around the planet. But I can not see any sane reason why it should be kept secret. I think there is not much competition in these days or in foreseeable future. It is clear that landing of first stages gives economic advantage to SpaceX in relatively short period and developing costs are quite cheap because they can experiment with paid commercial launches. It is very obvious reason to develop it. However, it is very uncertain when the system will be used on Mars and what kind of business is related to such projects. It may take 25 or 50 years or even more. It is far too long time to develop business. It will be bonus, it if happens, but actual profit comes from reusing of expensive rocket stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawl Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Yeah, OK, I admit that was a wild guess ! My bad... 3 hours ago, Hannu2 said: Surely same technology can be used to land on other bodies, at least after they establish some kind of positioning system around the planet. [...] The 1st stage is using GPS to aim for the barge ? Isn't there some sort of radio beacon on the target ? Like ILS for the planes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannu2 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I am not sure but I think that both systems are used. GPS at high altitude and radio beacon and radar near the barge (maybe along with GPS which gives 3D data). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 9 hours ago, The Yellow Dart said: This maybe old news to you guys. If so, disregard. SpaceX aiming for November for Falcon Heavy launch. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/11/spacex_first_falcon_heavy_liftoff/ Yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember hearing November 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuphonsReach Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Well hopefully they can start to ramp up their launch rate as advertised. The number of flights for SpaceX this year is a lot based on the SpaceFlightNow schedule. Apr 4th - CRS 8 flight (there are three re-supply flights to ISS going up within a 2-3 week period starting next week, one Dragon, one Cygnus, one Progress) Mid-April - JCSAT-14 May 3rd - Eutelsat 117 West B & ABS 2A Jun 24th - SpaceX CRS 9 (I expect this one to slip if CRS 8 is okay, seems like the CRS flights get pushed back repeatedly) July - Iridium Next 1-10 (similar to the orbcomm launch in December, 10 sat deployment) July - Amos 6 Aug 1 - SpaceX CRS 10 (I'd guess this will probably move dates) Aug 15 - SpaceX CRS 11 (yeah, no way will two CRS flights happen within 2 weeks of each other...) Sep/Nov - Falcon Heavy • Demo Flight (SpaceFlightNow launch schedule still says September) Oct - Iridium Next 11-20 Dec - SpaceX CRS 12 Dec - Crew Dragon Demo 1 Mar 2017 - Falcon Heavy • STP-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hcube Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 They'll never keep up to that schedule, it's way too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 But they need to if they're ever going to catch up on their backlog. That accident really set them back because I imagine they had to rebuild all their rockets, since they use that suspect strut all over the place. Once they have an inventory of ready-to-fly rockets again, they should be able to pick up the pace, especially if they use Vandy more and once Boca Chica comes online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerbonautInTraining Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Just to be sure, still no landing footage right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 1 hour ago, KerbonautInTraining said: Just to be sure, still no landing footage right? Nothing on Elon's or SpaceX' twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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