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DerekL1963    1053
14 hours ago, Nibb31 said:

The first "prototype" was OV-101 Enterprise, but there was a mockup for clearance testing (to develop procedures for handling and fitting the orbiters) called Pathfinder, that later received the "OV-98" registration. There was also a scale model called Independence that received the "OV-100" number. There's an OV-95 that was a mockup for crew training, STA-96 and STA-97 that were test articles, and MPTA-98, which was a "main propulsion test assembly" (basically an engine frame), but none of those have any christening names.

OV-95 was the SAIL (Shuttle Avionics Integration Laboratory), used for software and avionics development and testing, not crew training.  (It received an OV number because it was managed under the same configuration control system and standards as the flight vehicles.)  Independence is a non flight replica and has no official NASA number.

A full list of the official designations can be found here.

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RCgothic    188

Getting a little off-topic, but I believe the OV-0 series were never intended for flight, and the OV-1 series were supposed to be the operational vehicles. Except it was more cost effective to rebuild STA-099 (Challenger) into a proper orbiter than OV-101 (Enterprise), which then never flew to orbit and wasn't retroactively renumbered, but Columbia was upgraded to OV-99.

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Streetwind    3814
1 hour ago, RCgothic said:

Getting a little off-topic

"A little"? :P

Well, here's something on topic:

Yes, you are seeing correctly: a "No Earlier Than" date was moved... to an earlier date! :D

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Oliverm001x    102

Spacex launch date creeping ever closer :) @TheEpicSquared

SES10 is going to be a vital mission, I have to point out. The reuse of the 1st stage! The excitement is accumulating and has been for a long time to say the least!! :):P:D 

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TheEpicSquared    1880
3 minutes ago, Oliverm001x said:

Spacex launch date creeping ever closer :) @TheEpicSquared

SES10 is going to be a vital mission, I have to point out. The reuse of the 1st stage! The excitement is accumulating and has been for a long time to say the least!! :):P:D 

You pinged me?

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Oliverm001x    102
3 hours ago, TheEpicSquared said:

You pinged me?

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Mitchz95    623
7 hours ago, Oliverm001x said:

Spacex launch date creeping ever closer :) @TheEpicSquared

SES10 is going to be a vital mission, I have to point out. The reuse of the 1st stage! The excitement is accumulating and has been for a long time to say the least!! :):P:D 

Wait, this is a re-used first stage!?

I may have to take a day off work to watch this one...

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TheEpicSquared    1880
Just now, Mitchz95 said:

Wait, this is a re-used first stage!?

I may have to take a day off work to watch this one...

No, this is CRS-10, and will use a new first stage. SES-10, sometime in march, will reuse the CRS-8 first stage. :) 

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LetsGoToMars!    295
6 hours ago, Mitchz95 said:

I may have to take a day off work to watch this one...

Have fun explaining that to your boss!

6 hours ago, TheEpicSquared said:

SES-10, sometime in march, will reuse the CRS-8 first stage

Glad to hear that they are finally relaunching an F9 1st stage. By the way, is the CRS-8 being used for any technical reason or just for good luck?

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Streetwind    3814
6 hours ago, LetsGoToMars! said:

Glad to hear that they are finally relaunching an F9 1st stage. By the way, is the CRS-8 being used for any technical reason or just for good luck?

I assume that they looked at all their first stages and determined that they wanted to go with this one for reasons that would fill a 320-page report to the FAA. :P

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_Augustus_    1235

http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a25232/nasa-considers-astronauts-sls-launch/

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/nasa-looking-to-accelerate-first-crewed-orion-launch-to-as-early-as-2019/?comments=1

I see no reason why not. The DCSS and Orion have already flown unmanned together, and the modified Shuttle hardware was proven on 135 flights.

Even if there is something wrong during ascent, Orion has a LES. The Shuttle flew manned on its first flight and it had no crew safety measures!

Makes me wonder what they'll do for EM-2 though. Maybe an Inspiration Mars-style mission?

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On 9/10/2014 at 11:38 AM, GreeningGalaxy said:

This thing can go to Mars??

Not a landing there, obviously, but if it can really get to Mars orbit/flyby and back with its crew still alive (which I doubt, but still) that would be impressive.

Whenever I see pictures of the SLS, I catch myself trying to identify KSP NASA parts. :sticktongue:

EDIT:

Wikipedia says that the Orion spacecraft is designed to go to Mars, but doesn't elaborate.

The NASA website does something similar. ...okay?

Anyone got better info?

It will carry a lander eventually possible one of my designs (I am very optimistic)

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kerbiloid    2083

Or a struggle for funds food gets more keen.
 

 

Edited by Frybert

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Nibb31    2329
4 hours ago, _Augustus_ said:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a25232/nasa-considers-astronauts-sls-launch/

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/nasa-looking-to-accelerate-first-crewed-orion-launch-to-as-early-as-2019/?comments=1

I see no reason why not. The DCSS and Orion have already flown unmanned together, and the modified Shuttle hardware was proven on 135 flights.

There is hardly any Shuttle hardware in SLS. The only thing I can think of is the engines, and even those are modified.

Also, the whole point of the ICPS was that it didn't need to be man-rated for EM-1 and EM-2 would use the EUS. Doing EM-1 manned means that you need to go back and do all the man-rating paperwork on the ICPS for only one flight.

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Even if there is something wrong during ascent, Orion has a LES. The Shuttle flew manned on its first flight and it had no crew safety measures!

That would probably put a final nail in the coffin of the whole program though.

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Makes me wonder what they'll do for EM-2 though. Maybe an Inspiration Mars-style mission?

I doubt SLS survives that long.

The whole idea looks like a desperate push to get a manned SLS flight before the next elections.

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Nibb31    2329
3 hours ago, eagle92lightning said:

It will carry a lander eventually possible one of my designs (I am very optimistic)

Orion won't "carry" anything. It barely has enough dV to return from lunar orbit.

Claiming that Orion is a key part of a Mission to Mars is like saying that the dinghy carried on the Santa Maria was a key part of Columbus' expedition. If they are serious about going to Mars, they need to start designing the Santa Maria, not the dinghy.

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insert_name    623

Wait since when was the service module anywhere near completion

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munlander1    476
4 hours ago, _Augustus_ said:

The Shuttle flew manned on its first flight and it had no crew safety measures!

I know that STS-1 had ejection seats and I THINK a few missions after it had ejection seats. Don't quote me on the last part though.

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Bill Phil    1450

The only thing remotely similar to shuttle is the engines, which themselves are different. Even the SRBs had to be modified to a good extent.

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munlander1    476

So right now, the only rocket in development by nasa for manned U.S flight is the Orion and sls?

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DerekL1963    1053
1 hour ago, Nibb31 said:

Claiming that Orion is a key part of a Mission to Mars is like saying that the dinghy carried on the Santa Maria was a key part of Columbus' expedition. If they are serious about going to Mars, they need to start designing the Santa Maria, not the dinghy.

NASA is serious about going to Mars, but they're even more serious about keeping Congress happy and the money flowing.  Congress wants a dinghy, Congress gets gold plated diamond encrusted dinghy.

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DerekL1963    1053
42 minutes ago, munlander1 said:

So right now, the only rocket in development for manned U.S flight is the Orion and sls? 

And Dragon, and Dreamchaser, and Starliner.

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munlander1    476
1 minute ago, DerekL1963 said:

And Dragon, and Dreamchaser, and Starliner.

Sorry I meant by NASA.

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munlander1    476
4 minutes ago, DerekL1963 said:

NASA is serious about going to Mars, but they're even more serious about keeping Congress happy and the money flowing.  Congress wants a dinghy, Congress gets gold plated diamond encrusted dinghy.

Very good point.

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StrandedonEarth    1991
2 hours ago, munlander1 said:

So right now, the only rocket in development by nasa for manned U.S flight is the Orion and sls?

 

Well, Nasa is chipping in hundreds of millions to SpaceX and Boeing to help develop Commercial Crew vehicles. Congress has only approved around half of what has been requested, slowing development.

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