[Minimum KSP: 1.12.2] Heisenberg - Airships Part Pack

[Deizelpunk]

NOTE TO SELF: Never leave an air parked vessel alone, actually, never leave an airship alone! Any time i try to launch a plane to land on my airship the airship explodes! Same with when i try to "fly" it from the tracking station.

[Jz03]

Hey I'm still having issues when I install it because i installed everything but nothing is showing up and ther is no new tab for the parts and also the hooligan labs pars are not showing so I need help plz

[Shnyrik]

9 hours ago, Deizelpunk said:

NOTE TO SELF: Never leave an air parked vessel alone, actually, never leave an airship alone! Any time i try to launch a plane to land on my airship the airship explodes! Same with when i try to "fly" it from the tracking station.

I'm afraid, you've met some mod incompatibility. The current version of AirPark has some minor problems, but what you describe is absolutely not normal.

[Deizelpunk]

1 hour ago, Shnyrik said:

I'm afraid, you've met some mod incompatibility. The current version of AirPark has some minor problems, but what you describe is absolutely not normal.

Im gonna do more testing, see if i can figure out why its exploding.

Wait, would auto strut and rigid attachment be causing the problems? I just though of that.

[vardicd]

My blimp program has progressed. Long range airship full of droppable science probes!

Off to science the hell out of Kerbin!

[Deizelpunk]

Hmmm. Nope, still explodes if i leave it and come back.

[Dr.Wolfram]

On 7/1/2017 at 9:36 AM, vardicd said:

My first airship arrives at the crashed arctic vessel after it's almost 4 hour flight. Loving this mod

 -snip-

Nice one! That's inspiring me to create a science-hunting airships roaming Kerbin skies... Muaahaahahahaa... Ahem, wait, 4 hour flight? Are you using some kind of autopilot or mod for that?

[vardicd]

48 minutes ago, Dr.Wolfram said:

Nice one! That's inspiring me to create a science-hunting airships roaming Kerbin skies... Muaahaahahahaa... Ahem, wait, 4 hour flight? Are you using some kind of autopilot or mod for that?

Mech Jeb to hold my heading, and Kerbal alarm clock to pause the game at certain times. that way I can set the ships heading, and speed and go take a nap, or watch a show, or what ever, and when I get back, KAC will have paused the game after a set time, and I can do what ever I need.

[Dr.Wolfram]

2 hours ago, vardicd said:

Mech Jeb to hold my heading, and Kerbal alarm clock to pause the game at certain times. that way I can set the ships heading, and speed and go take a nap, or watch a show, or what ever, and when I get back, KAC will have paused the game after a set time, and I can do what ever I need.

Ooh thanks for pro-tip. I just used MechJeb to know delta-V and to execute for me those long interplanetary burns while preparing coffee

[vardicd]

10 hours ago, Dr.Wolfram said:

Ooh thanks for pro-tip. I just used MechJeb to know delta-V and to execute for me those long interplanetary burns while preparing coffee

No problem. Don't know how many times I've watch youtubers play or read some comment on the forums, and had that, Why did I never think of using this mod/part/item this way before moment.

[APieceOfBread154]

So Ive redesigned some of my airships and I still have the problem of them flipping over. Does this mod or Hooligans have any incompatibilities or a way to somehow balance the ship automatically?

 

[Angelo Kerman]

14 hours ago, APieceOfBread154 said:

So Ive redesigned some of my airships and I still have the problem of them flipping over. Does this mod or Hooligans have any incompatibilities or a way to somehow balance the ship automatically?

 

This is just a parts pack. Hooligan Labs does all the heavy lifting. I can make and fly aircraft carriers without them flipping over just fine. One thing I've found is that you have to be patient with airships. You can't set the lift to full and jam the throttles full forward and expect the airship to fly straight. Also, check your center of mass; in the OP, the Akron has counter-mass tanks to offset the mass of the coning tower. Gyro rings also help.

[Angelo Kerman]

I'm doing some testing on a new side elevator with a stock Aeris 3A after a discussion with @JewelShisen a few days ago. The elevator definitely works, but the 10m hangar deck isn't quite wide enough for the stock plane. I can definitely finagle the aircraft into the hangar but it soon gets stuck:

With some wrangling, I can move the Aeris 3A back to the side elevator:

Folding up the elevator:

Elevator stowed:

Now you can see why Navy airplanes have folding wings, something that I'm sure is tricky to do in KSP and still have control surfaces. You'd have to have integrated control surfaces and an animation to fold the wing. I could see a whole parts pack *cough* @blackheart612 *cough* revolving around a set of folding wings. I might take a crack at one or two wings as proof of concept.

Without such a parts pack, to properly stow the stock Aeris, I'd have to create a new modular flight deck part set with new sides, floors, and modular animated elevator parts. Another option is to make a slab-sided flight deck part. That might barely have enough room for the Aeris 3A.

Edited January 13, 2017 by Angel-125

[Angelo Kerman]

Update: Here is an experimental wide flight deck:

Lowering the elevator:

Barely fits inside with the slab-sided wide flight deck:

Looks like the side elevator will need to have a mesh switcher to go between standard and wide formats, and I'll need to add a similar ability to the Flight Deck and Hangar Fairing. If I can make a mesh-switch option for the aircraft elevator, all the better.

Edited January 13, 2017 by Angel-125

[Angelo Kerman]

It needs some more texture work, but I can mesh-swap the existing aircraft elevator so that it has the standard and new wide format:

[Dr.Wolfram]

On 12/1/2017 at 4:35 AM, APieceOfBread154 said:

So Ive redesigned some of my airships and I still have the problem of them flipping over. Does this mod or Hooligans have any incompatibilities or a way to somehow balance the ship automatically?

 

Hoolingan's plugin will aid you to stabilise the ship, but cannot save frop flipping.

So here some good tips i learned  being airship pirate  ... ehm to avoid flipping:

1. Add moar Gyro-rings
2. Just add a loaded/semiloaded tank (or tanks in radial symmetry) below the ship along with some heavy gondola to drop that CoM...
3. ...Or what i wanna try is building fight deck with gondola under the Led Zerpellin hanged by struts, something like on my desktop wallpaper
4. Add moar powerfull gyroscope, Roverdude's Starlifter mod(if i remember well, but it's in one of his mods) has good and ultra powerfull gyros(but also power-hungry)
5. Allign Center of Thrust of those lateral propellers with CoM of your ship, missallighning them will pitch the nose of your ship(having moar stable ship always helps)
6. Talking about lateral propellers, i always added winglets to them (they're like additional unlimited Rcs but only when you're moving)
7. Add moar Gyro-rings

Aaand as Angel said you have to be patient with airships, those things are realy huge and heavy (means lots of inertia to steer or stop them)

[Shnyrik]

@Angel-125 Side elevator is wonderful! Waiting for the next release

BTW, what font did you use for Akron's number?

 

20 hours ago, Angel-125 said:

Now you can see why Navy airplanes have folding wings, something that I'm sure is tricky to do in KSP and still have control surfaces. You'd have to have integrated control surfaces and an animation to fold the wing. I could see a whole parts pack *cough* @blackheart612 *cough* revolving around a set of folding wings. I might take a crack at one or two wings as proof of concept.

Another possible decision is to use hinge from InfernalRobotics

Edited January 13, 2017 by Shnyrik

[Angelo Kerman]

1 hour ago, Shnyrik said:

@Angel-125 Side elevator is wonderful! Waiting for the next release

BTW, what font did you use for Akron's number?

 

Another possible decision is to use hinge from InfernalRobotics

I used Amarillo USAF for the font. I forgot about IR, that's a possibility too.

Love the new screenshots!

[Enceos]

Hey @Angel-125 ! It's been a while.

I hope you have time to enjoy KSP yourself :3

I've been tinkering with the Heiseberg parts to make a sci-fi looking ship. And I almost succeeded, but discovered an urgent need for a single row of windows in the same style as your Gondola parts.

I made a Windowed Walkway part from your models. It has two toggleable caps, but as I found out your WBIMeshToggle module doesn't support two mesh switches at a time... I hope you will find a way around. I didn't do the internal, you're more proficient in this than I am.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6sf5exs98icr09/WBI_WindowedWalkway.zip?dl=0

Edited January 14, 2017 by Enceos

[Shnyrik]

16 hours ago, Angel-125 said:

I used Amarillo USAF for the font.

Thank you!

Edited January 14, 2017 by Shnyrik

[BagleNagle]

I realy want to use this mod but the tap to make the air ship rise isn't showing up . I have bd armor, spitfire , and mecjeb also installed can some one please help 

[Shnyrik]

57 minutes ago, BagleNagle said:

I have bd armor, spitfire , and mecjeb also installed can some one please help 

All those mods work well with Heisenberg. But you didn't mention HooliganLabs in the list. HooliganLabs is absolutely necessary for Heisenberg to work properly.

[Angelo Kerman]

3 hours ago, Enceos said:

Hey @Angel-125 ! It's been a while.

I hope you have time to enjoy KSP yourself :3

I've been tinkering with the Heiseberg parts to make a sci-fi looking ship. And I almost succeeded, but discovered an urgent need for a single row of windows in the same style as your Gondola parts.

I made a Windowed Walkway part from your models. It has two toggleable caps, but as I found out your WBIMeshToggle module doesn't support two mesh switches at a time... I hope you will find a way around. I didn't do the internal, you're more proficient in this than I am.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6sf5exs98icr09/WBI_WindowedWalkway.zip?dl=0

Looks cool! For the mesh switch, I'll have to look at that. It should support multiple switchers in the same part; the objects section tells the switcher what objects it can hide or show. If it's ok to distribute the walkway, what license do you use? All my stuff is ARR to avoid hostile forks, but the Cyclone is CC-BY-NS-SA.

3 hours ago, Shnyrik said:

Thank you!

No problem. The Aurora is looking great. I did notice the gap between the hangar sections and your flight deck. Not sure if you're aware, but you can attach the flight deck fairing to the flight deck, and then stick an extension onto the fairing. You can see an example on the Akron:

Really cool to see how you have multiple planes with folding wings, and the underside radome is a nice touch too. It also looks like the mod could use a "hurricane bow" based on your picture...

[Enceos]

@Angel-125 It's yours, I donate

Crossing fingers for simple internals :3

Edited January 14, 2017 by Enceos

[19chickens]

This is awesome!  I threw together an airship (Hangar Extender is a must) but when I loaded a Buffalo it kinda tipped over.  Oops.

Also, is there a craft file for the Akron?