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[1.7] Global Construction

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I have a orbital set up and started testing things.

Test 1

Build a ship. first one is a Tug for moving things around.  Build progressed fine and then came the launch. Thinking it would be a good idea to keep it docked till i got done with another build, I selected docked and not launch As it turned out DOCKED does not mean docked like to a docking port. DOCKED means ATTACHED to the structure. Minor point but confusing. 

Redo the test, launch the tug and dock to a docking port. Works

Test 2

Build a new container to replace the one i used. This was easy, build was fast. So i used my tug to move over and dock to the new container, on the transportation node

Now comes the fun part, no docking locations, not even the real docking ports work. So i have MechJeb 2.8.4 and it does not see the " Control from Here: Construction".  I dock with a secondary docking port on the tug to a real docking port  and thinking that could i build something here with it on the tug. Seems to work at the start but then the container just decouples from my ship and floats away.

So how do you find all these hidden docking location? Looking at the youtube video it looks like the Dockable kit Container was located on the end if the Orbital Workshop. How was this done? Hidden port location all over the ship?

 

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I just installed this mod am excited to get it working, but am having some trouble. Specifically, when I try to pack something into the DIY Kit in the VAB by clicking Select Vessel, after choosing the ship, nothing happens and almost everything in the VAB becomes unclickable and I have to shut down KSP. I can still right-click on the DIY kit and see that dialogue, as well as a couple random buttons around the VAB (e.g. I can click "Switch Editor" but can't move between the Build/Crew tabs). I'm hoping this has a simple answer and is just a case of me being dumb and overlooking something obvious, but I also wonder if it is a mod compatibility issue. I currently have installed:

Simplex Tech Tree
Bon Voyage
KAS
RSS and dependencies including Kopernicus (<- from a post a couple pages back, I wonder if this is the issue)
SMURFF
Snacks!
World Stabilizer

I was looking forward to some way to ship things into orbit at a lower weight and then construct them off planet and will be bummed if this mod doesn't work with my other ones. In any case, if anyone has any suggestions that would be terrific!

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2 hours ago, GP_LeChuck said:

I just installed this mod am excited to get it working, but am having some trouble. Specifically, when I try to pack something into the DIY Kit in the VAB by clicking Select Vessel, after choosing the ship, nothing happens and almost everything in the VAB becomes unclickable and I have to shut down KSP. I can still right-click on the DIY kit and see that dialogue, as well as a couple random buttons around the VAB (e.g. I can click "Switch Editor" but can't move between the Build/Crew tabs). I'm hoping this has a simple answer and is just a case of me being dumb and overlooking something obvious, but I also wonder if it is a mod compatibility issue. I currently have installed:

 

You need the Ground Kit Container not the Dockable Kit Container. The Dockable Kit Container
is just for use in space to build a kit. The Ground Kit Container is used in the VAB.

Right click on it and, select the menu option, select vessel, load it, and you are good 
to go. Now you have to move it to an assembly area to build it. 

Dockable Kit Container is build the kit and then assemble it in space.

It confusing, i know and so is the UI.

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1 hour ago, DareDrop said:

You need the Ground Kit Container not the Dockable Kit Container. The Dockable Kit Container
is just for use in space to build a kit. The Ground Kit Container is used in the VAB.

Right click on it and, select the menu option, select vessel, load it, and you are good 
to go. Now you have to move it to an assembly area to build it. 

Dockable Kit Container is build the kit and then assemble it in space.

It confusing, i know and so is the UI.

Sorry, I wasn't clear--the issue I'm having is actually with the Ground Kit Container itself. Choosing a ship from the "Select Vessel" dialogue seems to cause the game to hang up by not letting me click on anything else, meaning I have to Alt-F4 to get out of KSP. Selecting subassemblies or parts doesn't cause this same error, although these don't seem to work properly either--rather than the kit updating according to its contents, the selected part/subassembly just spawns nearby as if it were another part on the ship. I'm assuming it's some sort of mod compatibility error, although I'm also running 1.7.3 with Breaking Ground if either of those have been known to cause any problems.

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You could try cloning your KSP and then start removing Mods or try reinstalling  Global Construction.  Do you use CKAN?   That may also be a issue, try adding the Mod manually.

Just thoughts, sorry.

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Question. Why do diy kits made by an assembly line require less material kits to construct than diy kits made in the editor? 

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I managed to solve my earlier problem with the DIY Kit, but I am now struggling to figure out how to store Material Kits. Is there any component included with this mod which stores them? I'd like to keep things as lightweight as possible, so if there's any way to build directly from ore that'd be ideal, but if I need to download some sort of material kit storage container, where do I do that? Is Configurable Containers the best solution?

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The Assembly Lines and Workshops have built-in storage. If you want additional storage options, yes, you can use Configurable Containers.

CC also allows reconfiguring storage when they're empty. So you can just have 1 huge tank and configure it in the field.

@allista... Hi! I started a new game using only the last nightly build for GC/CC/Hangar/AT_Utils. I noticed while building my asteroid base that the parts have axis markers displayed. I suppose they're for debugging purposes. Is it possible to turn them off via CFG settings?

Thanks.

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Posted (edited)

Hi,

I just start to use your mod and after reading a bit this post I saw that you got trouble with Kerbal Joint Reinforcement.

 

I saw you that you fixed it a first time and after an uptade it seems to be broken again... I can confirm that I have that problem.

So, I'm using CKAN and with KJR next in my active mod list with 

 - the dockable kit in the wrong way (meaning the circle not docked to the station but facing outside as soon as I add a vessel the kit will grow and detach it self.

- if in the right position like it's on your videos, and all the Image I could see here... the kit will grow then explode, console show some colisions before the explosion

Without KJR next I just did the 2nd test :

- the kit grow and I can access the next part, choosing to launch, dock, and the launch "direction" if I remember corectly ...

Could give use an update on the fix ?

I think I used Editor Extensions Redux to 

- struts to the heaviest part

- and Activate Rigidity

 

[deleted a part about a bug in Hangar, will post it in the right topic]

I'm ready to help investigate that whenever you have time :)

and A question about the log files if someone can answer that should be great... how the game manage his logs is it trash every log files when loading or something else and what ? to know when I should keep my logs when I find a bug like that and do some test... instead of redo them to save a clean file I would just keep the files while just trying things ;)

 

Thanks!

Edited by BrettDah

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14 hours ago, BrettDah said:

and A question about the log files if someone can answer that should be great... how the game manage his logs is it trash every log files when loading or something else and what ? to know when I should keep my logs when I find a bug like that and do some test... instead of redo them to save a clean file I would just keep the files while just trying things

If I understand your question, KSP and your installed mods (for example, Module Manager, Kopernicus, etc.) will overwrite their log files on each start.  When using the logs for debugging purposes, I suggest you:

  1. start a game with the minimum mods required to replicate the problem,
  2. duplicate the problem within the game with minimal delay, and
  3. then quit KSP.

This keeps the log files small and removes many unrelated log entries.  Copy the log file(s) to another folder somewhere for future reference and uploading.

See the link, below, for help in finding the KSP log files and providing helpful data to mod authors.  Some mods create their own logs; see their topics for more information.

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8 hours ago, Brigadier said:

If I understand your question, KSP and your installed mods (for example, Module Manager, Kopernicus, etc.) will overwrite their log files on each start.  When using the logs for debugging purposes, I suggest you:

  1. start a game with the minimum mods required to replicate the problem,
  2. duplicate the problem within the game with minimal delay, and
  3. then quit KSP.

This keeps the log files small and removes many unrelated log entries.  Copy the log file(s) to another folder somewhere for future reference and uploading.

See the link, below, for help in finding the KSP log files and providing helpful data to mod authors.  Some mods create their own logs; see their topics for more information.

Hi Yep that was the question you pinpoint it ;) thank you :)

I'm about to edit my post I saw that I've got 2 mod by @allista  Hangar and GC and speaking of both there... not a great Idea for a first post.

Edit : done

Edited by BrettDah

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Hello @allista,
I have being using the global-construction in a very intense way I think, I am very big fan of it!

Specially for ground Construction: (sample)

mI00GdA.png

Where this airplane after landed on the Mun in VSTOL landing, from a normal takeoff from Kerbin using the runway.

After that I used the small ground factory on board to create the Big Ground Factory and then just for a demo propose factored the small buggy specialized on science.

 

But now I am trying to do a similar thing but with the big mother-ship in orbit to construct the VSTOL Airplane it self, and when I am doing that, I am getting these errors:

[LOG 21:33:26.858] WST: findAttachedKASPylons:0: Looking for KAS pylons attached to the ground in KspiTriAlphaFusionReactor (AlfaStellarShuttle-v5-7)
[LOG 21:33:26.858] WST: findAttachedKASPylons:0: Found 0 pylons
[LOG 21:33:26.859] Packing AlfaStellarShuttle-v5-7 for orbit
[EXC 21:34:10.823] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
    GroundConstruction.CompositeJob`1[T].DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKit.DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKitWorkshop`1[KitInfo].do_some_work (Double available_work)
    GroundConstruction.WorkshopBase`2[T,E].FixedUpdate ()
[EXC 21:34:10.862] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
    GroundConstruction.CompositeJob`1[T].DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKit.DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKitWorkshop`1[KitInfo].do_some_work (Double available_work)
    GroundConstruction.WorkshopBase`2[T,E].FixedUpdate ()
(...)

...always generate the above exception when reach 93.8%:

 

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Also an image of Airplane being build on orbit:

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Thanks in advance for your help!

Edited by pmborg

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19 hours ago, pmborg said:

[EXC 21:34:10.823] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
    GroundConstruction.CompositeJob`1[T].DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKit.DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKitWorkshop`1[KitInfo].do_some_work (Double available_work)
    GroundConstruction.WorkshopBase`2[T,E].FixedUpdate ()
[EXC 21:34:10.862] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
    GroundConstruction.CompositeJob`1[T].DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKit.DoSomeWork (Double work)
    GroundConstruction.VesselKitWorkshop`1[KitInfo].do_some_work (Double available_work)
    GroundConstruction.WorkshopBase`2[T,E].FixedUpdate ()
(...)

Thanks for the report!

Hm... I'll need the KSP_Data\output_log.txt and probably the savefile where the Airplane is under construction to understand better what happens.

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On 10/1/2019 at 12:23 AM, bcqJC said:

I suppose they're for debugging purposes. Is it possible to turn them off via CFG settings?

Yes, they're for debugging, but unfortunately they cannot be disabled. I'll rebuild the nightly builds with proper compiler flags.

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1 hour ago, allista said:

Thanks for the report!

Hm... I'll need the KSP_Data\output_log.txt and probably the savefile where the Airplane is under construction to understand better what happens.

Hello again @allista,

File name: LOG.zip, Packed a zip file https://www.dropbox.com/s/aqwegr3n1dqrpl7/LOG.zip?dl=0

C:\Users\pedro\Dropbox\Kerbal\LOG>dir /B

Goes immediate to the error:
1.loadmeta
1.sfs

Original on ground launch position:
3.loadmeta
3.sfs

At orbit:
4.loadmeta
4.sfs

LOG File: KSP.log

Please let me know if you need more files.

Thanks!

 

 

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