DAL59 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Just now, Kerbal7 said: He diverting resources into what's going to make him money. And going to Mars aint it The ship is designed to go to Mars. He's litterally testing the ship next year. 1 minute ago, Canopus said: So they want to build the whole upper stage in one year? Correct. They are going to use it as a 0 payload SSTO(!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, PakledHostage said: Jeb on the other hand envy the starman, fastest car in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 @Kerbal7, the argument is basically whether or not Musk has non-business motivations, which is kind of unanswerable. So, you might be right, but there is no proof either way. Also, right after a successful launch isn't the best time to naysay Spacex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypher_00 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Ah i can watch that Starman Live View forever.. Earth slowly passing by while he is chilling in his car.. one of the coolest things i've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanamonde Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 We've removed a post or two from this thread, as the discussion was getting heated. Please don't attack each other over differing opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DAL59 said: Correct. They are going to use it as a 0 payload SSTO(!) Can we expect them to cancel Dragon 2 soon then? [snip] Edited February 6, 2018 by Vanamonde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, DAL59 said: The ship is designed to go to Mars. He's litterally testing the ship next year. Correct. They are going to use it as a 0 payload SSTO(!) As I understand its the real ship, might with some issues as in no cargo hatch perhaps. And not as SSTO, grasshopper style so small jumps. For one the 3 surface engines can not do an liftoff if full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpaget Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kerbal7 said: He diverting resources into what's going to make him money. And going to Mars aint it. Going to Mars doesn't need to be profitable. That's the goal, and all these ventures are just fund raisings. Consider it the same as people working for years just to be able to buy their dream car that will never be profitable, but that's what they are willing to spend their money on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Kerbal7 said: He diverting resources into what's going to make him money. And going to Mars aint it. Maybe you should Tweet this to Musk. It might be vital information. Satellites have become lighter, and most agencies have responded by creating light launchers or combining launches. The latter is becoming problematic. The money isn't in super heavy launches, so what you say makes no sense. Besides, none of Musks endeavours after Paypal have been about making a buck. They're all highly experimental new technologies and sectors without an obvious return on investment. You can insist it's all about the money, but you would have to ignore reality to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Just now, Canopus said: Can we expect them to cancel Dragon 2 soon then? Its only planned for 5 launches anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Just now, Camacha said: The money isn't in super heavy launches, so what you say makes no sense. Military launches for secret payloads, spy satelites, telescopes, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Canopus said: Can we expect them to cancel Dragon 2 soon then? No, they have a contract to provide service with it. And will no doubt learn an incredible amount of useful stuff for BFR while doing so. Just like they will with FH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) "Today SpaceX achieved a spectacular and historic success.Seven years ago, the Augustine commission said that NASA's Moon program had to be cancelled because the development of the necessary heavy lift booster would take 12 years and 36 billion dollars.SpaceX has now done that, on its own dime, in half the time and a twentieth of the cost. And not only that, but the launch vehicle is three quarters reusable.This is a revolution. The naysayers have been completely refuted.The Moon is now within reach. Mars is now within reach.The moment is at hand to open the space frontier. America should seize the time.And to the SpaceX team, let us offer this salute:You did it. They said it couldn't be done, but you did it. You made it look easy, but we know it wasn't.You took your knocks. You took your failures. But you fought it through.Fortune favors the brave. Fortune favors the smart. But most of all, fortune favors the tough.Talk about the right stuff. You guys are great. Hats off!"Dr. Robert Zubrin Edited February 6, 2018 by Vanamonde Don't get carried away with font sizes, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razark Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Congrats to Elon Musk for putting the fourth electric car into space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseitsei89 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Canopus said: Can we expect them to cancel Dragon 2 soon then? No Arguments? My arguments have already been stated repeadetly by other people. 1. Going to Mars is a lifelong dream gor Musk so obviously he is trying to get there. 2. The reason FH won't be rated for crew transport is that BFR will be better for manned Mars missions anyway and it is already planned to launch people to Mars with it. Hmm... who should I believe Elon Musk and SpaceX or some random guy on an internet forum?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DAL59 said: Military launches for secret payloads, spy satelites, telescopes, ect. That's not where the market is going. Small payloads is where the money is at. They just launched the most powerful rocket in existence. If you're into making money, you exploit that to the hilt. Yet that's not the plan. It's just a stepping stone towards a launcher suited for payloads nobody wants to launch right now. If this is not about going to Mars, all the individual steps are suspiciously close to what you'd do if you would actually want to go to Mars. Edited February 6, 2018 by Camacha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 minute ago, tseitsei89 said: Hmm... who should I believe Elon Musk and SpaceX or some random guy on an internet forum?? I'm sure Elon Musk intends to do all that, the question being only if it can happen in the timeframe he has given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, magnemoe said: nd not as SSTO, grasshopper style so small jumps. For one the 3 surface engines can not do an liftoff if full. Elon Musk confirmed SSTO capability on reddit. Maybe they'll add in the Vacuum engines at launch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 @DAL59 Awesome words... but they could perhaps be edited to be spoken with a bit less volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DAL59 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, DAL59 said: Edited just now by Vanamonde Don't get carried away with font sizes, please. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSEP Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Cmon guys we are better than this, stop arguing and start doing more research before you make an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Canopus said: I'm sure Elon Musk intends to do all that, the question being only if it can happen in the timeframe he has given. We're used to continuous disappointments in regards to space flight time frames due to it being publicly funded. Various projects have been kicked off, only to get cancelled later. There wasn't any proper control over the funding. In that regard having a single person in charge that won't quickly be replaced or succeeded is beneficial. At that point, it start becoming an engineering problem, rather than the political problem it often was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargamel Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Camacha said: They're all highly experimental new technologies and sectors without an obvious return on investment. Obvious ROI, no, but long term some of his ventures could turn out to be worth more than all the losing ones combined. He's just positioning himself to be in the right place at the right time. While Spacex has to turn a, non or minimal loss lets call it, it will lure many more investors to his other companies. There is more to be gained from going to mars than just immediate profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseitsei89 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Canopus said: I'm sure Elon Musk intends to do all that, the question being only if it can happen in the timeframe he has given. Yeah that we can discuss about. My origonal response was meant for the guy who insisted that Musk only cares about profit and people will never land on Mars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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