cubinator Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Flavio hc16 said: Ofc on the DEMO 2 mission the safety of the crew comes first, but as Spacex will have the cameras of the entire world on them, they probably want the booster landing to be picture perfect, as it is one of the trademarks of Spacex launches. Demo-2 will probably be the first mission where the second stage is anywhere near as exciting to watch as the first stage after separation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, cubinator said: Demo-2 will probably be the first mission where the second stage is anywhere near as exciting to watch as the first stage after separation... Apart from space shuttle. Anyway, looking forward to a kaboom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Flavio hc16 said: i was thinking about this, and my idea is: they are trying the profile of the Dragon 2 on this launch, as we know that the Dragon 2 will require an ASDS landing due NOT to the weight but because the normal profile is too steep for astronaut in case of an abort. Ofc on the DEMO 2 mission the safety of the crew comes first, but as Spacex will have the cameras of the entire world on them, they probably want the booster landing to be picture perfect, as it is one of the trademarks of Spacex launches. So they are testing it now so they know every step in real life instead of simulating it Excellent point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolotiyeruki Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 hours ago, cubinator said: Demo-2 will probably be the first mission where the second stage is anywhere near as exciting to watch as the first stage after separation... I dunno, I imagine that first stage is gonna be pretty spectacular as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wjolcz Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-hardware-mystery-solved/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Edited December 3, 2019 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, tater said: Might have to reprioritize working at SpaceX. "Hey, we have a change of plans. Wanna go to Florida?" 3 months later... "Hey, we have another change of plans. Wanna go to Texas?" In the unspecified future... "Hey, we need someone over at Mars. Wanna go?" During Hofman transfer... "Sorry, Mars problem solved. Come back to Earth." Edited December 3, 2019 by Xd the great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 When will the first FloTex hyperloop have been built? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Ah yes, corporations: "We're not laying you off. But your job is moving to an entirely different state. If you actually have a life here, you can choose to either give it up or lose your job. Have a nice day!" If you're a single 25-yr-old renting an apartment, this might be an adventure. If you're a billionaire CEO, you can have houses or condos everywhere and fly back and forth at will. If you have a spouse and/or kids and a house, you're screwed. Edited December 3, 2019 by mikegarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakaydos Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Ah yes, corporations: "We're not laying you off. But your job is moving to an entirely different state. If you actually have a life here, you can choose to either give it up or lose your job. Have a nice day!" If you're a single 25-yr-old renting an apartment, this might be an adventure. If you're a billionaire CEO, you can have houses or condos everywhere and fly back and forth at will. If you have a spouse and/or kids and a house, you're screwed. This is SpaceX. They actively target the single 25yo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rakaydos said: This is SpaceX. They actively target the single 25yo. They will fly to the Mars. If moving to another state is a problem, what can they say about another planet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacke Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: They will fly to the Mars. If moving to another state is a problem, what can they say about another planet? The vast majority of the millions of people who put Apollo on the Moon never travelled farther than their daily commute to work. It's one thing if you're hired into a well-paying job--like engineer or astronaut--that up front says there will be a lot of compensated travel and away-from-home as part of the job. It's another thing if you're most people, who don't have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, Rakaydos said: This is SpaceX. They actively target the single 25yo. So do a lot of companies. They are cheaper to hire, for one thing. Sometimes companies moving jobs around like this is a stealth way to push out older employees. (Not that I think this is what is happening here. I think this is just a case of SpaceX not knowing what the hell they are going to be doing 10 minutes from now. That's a way to move quickly -- if you don't mind a lot of backtracking and uncertainty.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jacke said: The vast majority of the millions of people who put Apollo on the Moon never travelled farther than their daily commute to work. It's one thing if you're hired into a well-paying job--like engineer or astronaut--that up front says there will be a lot of compensated travel and away-from-home as part of the job. It's another thing if you're most people, who don't have that. You need every pair of hands (arms?) in the Martian colony. True believers associates will pass this test. This decade here, the next on Mars. Edited December 3, 2019 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Press conf for CRS launch. Also, launch in ~20 hours: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacke Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, kerbiloid said: You need every pair of hands (arms?) in the Martian colony. True believers associates will pass this test. This decade here, the next on Mars. I'd rather have competent and reasonable skeptic people. And compare it to Arctic Exploration in the 19th Century. One of the most successful (if not appreciated in his own time due to...reasons) was John Rae. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rae_(explorer) Rather than massive teams, he used very small groups that used many techniques learned from the Inuit as well as his own good judgement. A surgeon and a highly competent explorer. Sure, you can't quite live off the land on Mars as you can with a very small group of people in the Arctic. But the principle can be adapted: Don't take too many people depending on what is to be done. And for Mars exploration and colonization, I have still not seen as good a comprehensive plan as Robert Zubrin's in The Case for Mars. Ground checkout and two launch vehicles per expedition in successive and steady expansion. Can always be adapted to other launch vehicles and variant spacecraft, but it's still the best overall sketch for how to approach it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 They're doing a stage 2 thermal demo that requires extra margin, hence the ASDS landing instead of RTLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Hmmmmmm. Any other info on this thermal demo? Are they putting starship tiles on stage two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: Hmmmmmm. Any other info on this thermal demo? Are they putting starship tiles on stage two? She said it was for another customer. Though "another customer" could simply be "not NASA." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It could be an internal customer, like Starship, but it also could be anybody who has a thermal protection system they want to destructively test and realized it was cheap to hire SpaceX to test it for them on a flight that somebody else is paying for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Rocket lab and electron TPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Xd the great said: Rocket lab and electron TPS. But they will be doing reentries of their own rockets anyway so might as well put a bunch of tiles on there instead of hiring another company to do the same for (presumably) more money. Unless they are planning to have a reusable second stage, or something. But that wouldn't make much sense on a small rocket like that IMO. What about LinkSpace? Those guys haven't reached space yet and are making what's basically a reusable Electron/MiniF9. Would a chinese company like that be allowed to make deals with SpaceX? Edited December 4, 2019 by Wjolcz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Wjolcz said: But they will be doing reentries of their own rockets anyway so might as well put a bunch of tiles on there instead of hiring another company to do the same for (presumably) more money. Unless they are planning to have a reusable second stage, or something. But that wouldn't make much sense on a small rocket like that IMO. What about LinkSpace? Those guys haven't reached space yet and are making what's basically a reusable Electron/MiniF9. Would a chinese company like that be allowed to make deals with SpaceX? This, they also face much lower temperatures, think falcon 9 first stage ones. And as they would want to recover an stage anyway so they can just try it out spaceX style. My guess is that its on dragon as it will be recovered, probably inspired by spaceX testing starship tiles on dragon. It can by also be about heat shield for some sample return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, magnemoe said: My guess is that its on dragon as it will be recovered, probably inspired by spaceX testing starship tiles on dragon. It can by also be about heat shield for some sample return. No, this whole conversation was started by a discussion about a thermal test involving the second stage leading to a need to use the drone ship to land the first stage instead of returning to the launch site. If they were testing something on Dragon wouldn't they have said that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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