tater Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, RCgothic said: Legs still on. Definitely misjudged the landing. Coming to near zero velocity at zero alt is hard when the altitude of the target surface is constantly changing. That vid that was taken down said they liked the sea state in feet to about equal the period (or slower period). So a 12ft sea with peaks 12 sec apart is OK, 6 seconds apart not OK (from memory of that vid that was removed). There's every chance they committed to flight with an acceptable sea, and it changed, even briefly to one barely compatible with landing. The booster was set to shut down when the deck was at a peak, and the period changed, and it was in a trough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, zolotiyeruki said: Antitrust law steps in not on the occurrence of a monopoly, but on the abuse of one, at least in theory. If SpaceX got a monopoly and then told a supplier (say, of payload fairings) to no longer sell to Boeing or ULA, that's when it should kick in. Does the $28 million reflect SpaceX's all-up launch cost for a new F9, or is it the cost of a launch with a gently-pre-used booster? Given the likely delays in the manned moon program, SpaceX could just launch all the cargo, facilities, rovers, habitation modules, etc, etc and just leave them there for whenever NASA gets its astronauts there Or, maybe by the time astronauts land, SpaceX will have already engineered, tested, launched, and landed robots that will set everything up for the astronauts. So the manned lander is a glorified hotel shuttle! If its new or used booster don't matter much for them. Expect if you demand an new its more expensive. And this is cost and not stated how much is included. I assume its the cost of launching another rocket at the cheapest options so no overtime or extra hires. Now the starship has some benefit as an lander, first its fully reusable, its manned and you can bring stuff like multiple rovers but also something like this its only 8 ton, and can do core samples over an km down, granted so far will require lots of heavy extenders for the drill head and you would have to rebuild it from ground up for use on the moon, you also need an solar array to power it. However its something you can do with starship who is orders of magnitudes ahead or other plans, you obviously pack it down load it up again then done so you can use it at the next landing site. So yes you can do an manned mission with say 15 astronauts, 4 rovers and an core sample drill rig cheaper than putting current probes one Moon. /tilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 So this is a thing: https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Technologies-Corp-SpaceX/0150-EX-ST-2020 Mid March to mid Sept. So a long window, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Yes. Yes I am sure Starship SN1 is going to come together very quickly. Yes I know this is a 6 month window, and it assumes they don't run into any big problems on the way there (which they will), but if they think they can have a ship ready to fly in a month then things are going to have to be assembled quite quickly. I'm sure it won't actually fly in march, they'll have to sort through all the issues that pop up first, but they are expecting to have it assembled by then. Can't wait for this thing to fly in... well, based off of StarHopper, September or so. *ominous music* And so, the age of Starship began... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 11 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said: I just realized it’s “Factorio::SpaceX Edition” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSEP Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, ThatGuyWithALongUsername said: Can't wait for this thing to fly in... well, based off of StarHopper, September or so. Neither can I. It will be such a thrill. If that thing will land upright on its first try I will scream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) So they are doing the hop after all. I thought they were going for the orbit straight away. 5 hours ago, ThatGuyWithALongUsername said: Can't wait for this thing to fly in... well, based off of StarHopper, September or so. Still sooner than SLS (hopefully). Edited February 4, 2020 by Wjolcz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Wjolcz said: So they are doing the hop after all. I thought they were going for the orbit straight away. Still sooner than SLS (hopefully). They will start with some 20 km hops as I understand. Orbit require an heat shield and this is plenty of work to put on, the landing flip is also an pretty challenging operation so best to nail down early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sh1pman Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, tater said: Staying? More like overtaking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Technical Ben Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 4:07 PM, StrandedonEarth said: I just realized it’s “Factorio::SpaceX Edition” Elon gets distracted and pulls a train network with a jetpack and totally forgets about rockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On our local news... How cool is this??? Go fishing and catch a... dragon???https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/space/2020/02/06/brevard-boat-captain-finds-spacex-debris-dragon-capsule-hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolotiyeruki Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Holy smokes, I would totally mount that on my wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 11:17 AM, Wjolcz said: Still sooner than SLS (hopefully). Given Boeing’s growing list of software issues, that’s more and more likely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Just Jim said: On our local news... How cool is this??? Go fishing and catch a... dragon???https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/space/2020/02/06/brevard-boat-captain-finds-spacex-debris-dragon-capsule-hatch it was not the crew hatch, assume it was the parachute hatch, assume the hatch is dropped with the droge chutes as they was connected to the hatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolotiyeruki Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 hours ago, magnemoe said: it was not the crew hatch, assume it was the parachute hatch, assume the hatch is dropped with the droge chutes as they was connected to the hatch. Still worthy of being mounted on my wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumSky5 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 https://spacenews.com/spacex-wins-nasa-contract-to-launch-earth-science-mission/ SpaceX has been awarded the contract to launch the PACE (Plankton, Aerosol, Cloud, ocean Ecosystem) satellite in Dec 2022. The satellite is going to be launched from Kennedy into a sun synchronous orbit, so AFAIK, this is the first mission to use the new polar orbit trajectory that was announced... early last year, I think? For those of you playing along at home, the total cost of the contract is $80.2 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) Here's a nice comparison. I do hope the final thing is not as wrinkly though. Edited February 9, 2020 by Wjolcz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delay Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I'm still not entirely conviced that Starship is able to stand securely on its tiny legs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, Wjolcz said: Here's a nice comparison. I do hope the final thing is not as wrinkly though. It already isn't, based on what we're seeing in Boca Chica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Delay said: I'm still not entirely conviced that Starship is able to stand securely on its tiny legs... yer, id be very nervous about trying to land this in KSP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Delay said: I'm still not entirely conviced that Starship is able to stand securely on its tiny legs... Six tiny legs are still better than three tiny-ish legs. As long as it has its CoM low enough nothing serius should happen, but I agree. It would definitely look much safer with F9-like legs, but then that would create its own problems. Maybe the legs could have foldable "feet" of sorts. Basically this but longer and being on the ground: Edited February 9, 2020 by Wjolcz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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