Guest Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/26/2020 at 8:04 AM, Flying dutchman said: i tried my best to photoshop starship on the dam in amsterdam... nice photoshop skills, it's such a beast isn't it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 also this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trolligi Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Aw man I've gotta follow this!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 The road is closed, and it doesn't look like the kind of closure for a crane move. So we may be seeing a cryo test today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying dutchman Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 lab stream says sn9 is pressurized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 NSF has a new article on SN9's test and flight program: https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/12/starship-sn9s-test-series-targets-new-years/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Interesting video about Starship's launch pads: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trolligi Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Blue Origin and SpaceX in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 The road is closed and the pad is clear. We saw an ambient pressure test yesterday, perhaps today is the cryo proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 NSF is live: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Frost forming on SN9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Trolligi said: Blue Origin and SpaceX in a nutshell Um, I'll just point out that Blue Origin actually landed (and then reused) New Shepard before SpaceX did either with a Falcon rocket. Obviously the two companies have very different philosophies (and even different goals), so it's hard to directly compare them. SpaceX is aimed at Mars and funds itself by being a satellite launch provider. Blue Origin is (from what I have read) more oriented toward orbital habitats and funds itself (in part) by selling rocket engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trolligi Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Oh ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavio hc16 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Um, I'll just point out that Blue Origin actually landed (and then reused) New Shepard before SpaceX did either with a Falcon rocket. Obviously the two companies have very different philosophies (and even different goals), so it's hard to directly compare them. SpaceX is aimed at Mars and funds itself by being a satellite launch provider. Blue Origin is (from what I have read) more oriented toward orbital habitats and funds itself (in part) by selling rocket engines. eeehhhh yes, but actually no Blue origin's New Shepard goes up to 1 km/s, meanwhile a falcon 9 can go up to 3 kms/s meanwhile carrying a second stage with a paiload. A single landing lag of a falcon 9 is higher than the entirety of New Shepard. Falcon 9 encounter way higher reentry heating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying dutchman Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 So the question is: what matters most? Being the first to land a rocket booster of being the first to land An orbital class rocket booster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Flavio hc16 said: eeehhhh yes, but actually no Blue origin's New Shepard goes up to 1 km/s, meanwhile a falcon 9 can go up to 3 kms/s meanwhile carrying a second stage with a paiload. A single landing lag of a falcon 9 is higher than the entirety of New Shepard. Falcon 9 encounter way higher reentry heating And yet, what I said is still correct. 2 minutes ago, Flying dutchman said: So the question is: what matters most? Being the first to land a rocket booster of being the first to land An orbital class rocket booster? IMO the correct answer is "neither". Where I give SpaceX most of the credit is not who did what experimental stuff first, but in moving to TRL9 soonest -- actually moving to an in-service routine use of reused Falcon 9 boosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elthy Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Didnt the DC-X do a powered landing in 1996, way before both companies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastleKSide Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I really think Blue Origin and SpaceX are not in the same catagory. At least so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying dutchman Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elthy said: Didnt the DC-X do a powered landing in 1996, way before both companies? didn't the lunar module do a powered landing all the way back in 1969, way before all of those? Edited December 29, 2020 by Flying dutchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clamp-o-Tron Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Elthy said: Didnt the DC-X do a powered landing in 1996, way before both companies? Wasn’t the DC-Y (proposed production SSTO version of the DC-X) supposed to do the bellyflop/flip before Starship? 6 minutes ago, Flying dutchman said: didn't the lunar module do a powered landing all the way back in 1969, way before all of those? Wasn’t Luna 9 first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying dutchman Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Clamp-o-Tron said: Wasn’t Luna 9 first? i wouldn't count that as a powered landing, since they used airbags. i'd say the surveyor probe was the first to do a fully powered landing. :p Edited December 29, 2020 by Flying dutchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clamp-o-Tron Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Flying dutchman said: i wouldn't count that as a powered landing, since they used airbags. https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraft/display.action?id=1966-006A Spoiler “At an altitude of 8300 km the spacecraft was oriented for retro-rocket firing and its spin was stopped. At 75 km altitude, 48 seconds before landing at a velocity of 2.6 km/s, the radar altimeter sent commands to jettison the side modules, inflate the airbags, and begin retrorocket firing. At 250 meters from the surface the main retrorocket was turned off and the four outrigger engines were used to slow the craft. At a height of about 5 meters a contact sensor touched the ground, the engines were shut down, and the landing capsule was ejected, impacting the surface at 22 km/hr, bouncing several times and coming to rest in Oceanus Procellarum (Ocean of Storms) west of Reiner and Marius craters at approximately 7.08 N, 64.37 W on February 3, 1966 at 18:45:30 UT (21:45:30 Moscow time).” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 The first prehistoric fish to jump out of water and land back in it was the first landing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Elthy said: Didnt the DC-X do a powered landing in 1996, way before both companies? It didn't cross the Karman line, though. Didn't get anywhere close. 4 hours ago, CastleKSide said: I really think Blue Origin and SpaceX are not in the same catagory. At least so far. Blue Origin has test-fired a bigger engine. SpaceX has flown a bigger engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Well... this escalated quickly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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