Beccab Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Elthy said: Are there any hardpoints on S20 they could use for stacking with the chopsticks? Yep, they are right under the front flaps. The location will probably change if they end up wanting to catch ships too, but for lifting it's good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Elthy said: Are there any hardpoints on S20 they could use for stacking with the chopsticks? I'm guessing that S20 was designed and built before the idea of the chopsticks - so... no. However, SX knows the internal structure of S20 - and likely has modeled where and how to grab it. I'd think they could / would weld some on the outside if they thought it was necessary... but why? It's a deep reef in the near future. Edit: what @Beccab said Edited January 23, 2022 by JoeSchmuckatelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: I'm guessing that S20 was designed and built before the idea of the chopsticks - so... no. However, SX knows the internal structure of S20 - and likely has modeled where and how to grab it. I'd think they could / would weld some on the outside if they thought it was necessary... but why? It's a deep reef in the near future. Edit: what @Beccab said The chopsticks have been planned since late 2020, long before S20 even begun construction. It was definitely built with them in mind. Also: new NSF article, with pics of Raptor 2! https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/01/raptor-2-starbase-update/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, RealKerbal3x said: The chopsticks have been planned since late 2020, long before S20 even begun construction. It was definitely built with them in mind. Did not know that: thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, RealKerbal3x said: The chopsticks have been planned since late 2020, long before S20 even begun construction. It was definitely built with them in mind. Also: new NSF article, with pics of Raptor 2! https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/01/raptor-2-starbase-update/ Finally! Looks like a lot less spaghetti plumbing for sure. For comparison, from a year ago: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.50calBMG Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Do we have any up close images of raptor 2 yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, .50calBMG said: Do we have any up close images of raptor 2 yet? The one above is the closest we have (as well as first, actually). When they start going at Starbase in the next month or so we'll have high res pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicTech Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 20 hours ago, RealKerbal3x said: The chopsticks have been planned since late 2020, long before S20 even begun construction. It was definitely built with them in mind. Also: new NSF article, with pics of Raptor 2! https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/01/raptor-2-starbase-update/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 It looks more spartanesque. The extra parts stay lying on table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RyanRising Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Odd - I would have figured they'd de-orbit the trunk along with the capsule. This was probably known info before, but it's new to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, RyanRising said: Odd - I would have figured they'd de-orbit the trunk along with the capsule. This was probably known info before, but it's new to me. Probably to avoid risk of it impacting the dragon during reentry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Also requires less propellant, since they don't need to push the mass of the trunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakaydos Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, RyanRising said: Odd - I would have figured they'd de-orbit the trunk along with the capsule. This was probably known info before, but it's new to me. unlike apollo, the Dragon can maneuver without the "service module." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanRising Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Rakaydos said: unlike apollo, the Dragon can maneuver without the "service module." Right, I'm aware of that - Dragon basically has its service module in the capsule. I would have thought they'd deorbit the trunk to avoid it becoming space debris, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, RyanRising said: Right, I'm aware of that - Dragon basically has its service module in the capsule. I would have thought they'd deorbit the trunk to avoid it becoming space debris, that's all. They lower the perigee before they dump the trunk, then the final burn is sans trunk. It probably comes down in a couple orbits at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanRising Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, tater said: They lower the perigee before they dump the trunk, then the final burn is sans trunk. It probably comes down in a couple orbits at most. At least as of a while ago, that wasn’t the case: Quote The trunk will remain in orbit for well over a year and decay naturally before destructively entering Earth’s atmosphere. https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/05/dragon-resilience-return-first-operational/ Additionally, the Demo-1 trunk apparently reentered earlier this year: https://aerospace.org/reentries/crew-dragon-demo-1-debris-id-44064-reentered And the Crew-2 trunk is currently in a 413x404 km orbit: http://www.stuffin.space/?intldes=2021-030B Maybe it’s some crew safety thing, but this doesn’t seem very responsible to me? There’s probably something I’m missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, RyanRising said: At least as of a while ago, that wasn’t the case: I thought I had read that a while ago... guess not then. Seems like they could lower perigee some, then finish, course that would take 2 orbits, and might mess up landing phasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 That's not exactly encouraging at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, RCgothic said: That's not exactly encouraging at this point. They already have built 2 prototype cargo doors, and starlink is unlikely to fly on it before the end of the year at best. I doubt that is going to delay stuff much, if at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakaydos Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, RCgothic said: That's not exactly encouraging at this point. Well, we know they they are ...loudly... discussing it. But once they decide, what do they need to do? order hinges and cut open a nosecone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Rakaydos said: Well, we know they they are ...loudly... discussing it. But once they decide, what do they need to do? order hinges and cut open a nosecone? And design and build a payload dispenser that's easy to load and deploy through whatever door they end up with. Edited January 25, 2022 by RCgothic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I'd hinge at the top, then the door can also be a crane. Easier to load as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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