tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, YNM said: Rubbish. If they really want they can just get yet another TDRS or something. But do they ever get a mission to full-up in 4 years ? Or would they will to extend launch-waiting for a mission by some time, up to 4 years ? They didn't even know when will Falcon Heavy flies. They were not thinking about a "real" NASA mission---anything expensive, that required planning. Think off the shelf stuff they could get together in a year. Cubesats of scientific value, etc. Not flagship missions, or even lesser, expensive missions. A few instruments on the payload adapter with a solar panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, YNM said: There are some guys in a big space can. Who launched on Russian rockets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DAL59 said: Or have astronauts to begin with. Remember, EM-2 will take place after SpaceX lands humans on Mars. If they land humans on Mars before EM-2, I'll fly to LA, cut through the fence with some tools, and eat the F9 booster they have out front at SpaceX HQ. The probability of this scenario is zero. Not low, not highly improbable, but zero. Seriously. 1 hour ago, DAL59 said: Manned. Manned spaceflight is a stunt. It;s a cool stunt, and I love watching it, but it's a stunt. The single most important thng flown by NASA so far (or humankind, frankly) is the Hubble Space Telescope. Most space probes come even before the totality of the Apollo program in scientific importance. Manned spaceflight is the least impressive thing NASA does---except to the masses of people who watch the kinds of TV shows I know exist, but cannot even name (since I don;t watch them). Edited February 9, 2018 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman4308 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, tater said: If they land humans on Mars before EM-2, I'll fly to LA, cut through the fence with some tools, and eat the F9 booster they have out front at SpaceX HQ. The probability of this scenario is zero. Not low, not highly improbable, but zero. Seriously. You may wind up eating Falcon 9, Tater. Congress might find a scrap of integrity and cancel EM-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DAL59 said: Who launched on Russian rockets... ... To a US-supported-paid-made-launched-maintained space station. Cheer up ! 12 minutes ago, tater said: Think off the shelf stuff they could get together in a year. Cubesats of scientific value, etc. Not flagship missions, or even lesser, expensive missions. A few instruments on the payload adapter with a solar panel. She wasn't there anymore (no-one to sound it again), we're not sure whether SpaceX kept it open after the offer declined, the funding is questioned (needs adapters as well), and did they definitely knew on Feb 6, 2017 that Falcon Heavy will launch off the pads a year again ? Edited February 9, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Starman4308 said: You may wind up eating Falcon 9, Tater. Congress might find a scrap of integrity and cancel EM-2. OK, barring a cancellation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, tater said: cut through the fence You might want a hammer instead. They have glass fence/wall. Edited February 9, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 @YNM, I'm talking cubesat level. NASA must have excess flight article hardware just lying around. Backups for things that flew, etc. Stick to a bus, attach to PFA, free science. If they had accepted years ago, then they'd have the cheap-o payload just lying around. Get interns to build the thing. Just now, YNM said: You might want a hammer instead. I think it's chain link at Hawthorne. I won;t have to, SpaceX will not land humans on Mars before the scheduled EM-2 flight, even if it slips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) @tater Well, they definitely didn't accepted it as a corporate entity. She can be jealous but history's passed away already. As I've said, NASA is not having missions out of mid-life crisis. Edited February 9, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just looked at google street view. Its a fence like around a house swimming pool, I could hop over. Easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, tater said: Just looked at google street view. Its a fence like around a house swimming pool, I could hop over. Easily. You’ve already put quite a bit of planning into something you just said was absolutely not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, YNM said: As I've said, NASA is not having missions out of mid-life crisis. It's not mid life crisis, it's the ability to be agile, and take advantage of opportunities. Many LV now go to space with a lot of excess capacity. Test rockets, otherwise empty will also provide such opportunity. While no business would want to put a billion dollar comsat on a rocket that the CEO says will likely explode, they might well put a tiny testbed on if the cost were zero. Moving forward, NASA should consider this for a few reasons: 1. Their partners in COTS and commercial crew would likely be happy to offer excess capacity, as they honestly owe NASA a lot. 2. There will be more opportunities possibly, and they should not waste them. CHEAP payloads that would not otherwise get to fly, ever, for example. Small form factors that can be bolted to anything. NG will fly a test at some point. That's a big fairing to waste. Whta's cheap and large to test? Ditto BFS. Think stuff you can turn grad students and interns loose on, not even million dollar probes. Thousands. Off the shelf parts. Heck, use the offer for educational outreach. SpaceX offered NASA, not random universities or high schools. NASA could take submissions from universities, then say "deliver it in a year to these specs, and we'll stick a NASA sticker on it next to your university sticker, and bolt it to FH." 1 minute ago, CatastrophicFailure said: You’ve already put quite a bit of planning into something you just said was absolutely not going to happen. Just had to check, because I did street view there before, and I thought it was chain link. It's a steel fence like my neighbors have around their pool. It's not even sharp on top. Has vines on it, so I thought it was chain link. It's much shorter than chain link usually is, too. Edited February 9, 2018 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, tater said: Think stuff you can turn grad students and interns loose on, not even million dollar probes. I wonder whether such stuff can be launched alone (so going straight to the shipping company) or can be launched "via" NASA (like an interim package company of sorts), but I guess SpaceX wasn't loud enough in telling "send me your probes and we'll flung it to Mars, for free ! " then. I guess interests could be coming off persons, unis or schools instead - wasn't this forum had a crazy talk of sending 3U cubesat to Deimos ? Although, we all saw where they coasted it in, would the cubesats survived the exposure ? Edited February 9, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Even just NASA-enabled edu projects to further younger kid interest in STEM. Look at the Tesla. It was a huge thing I think for public interest, simply because it was a "real" object that people have experience with, and even has a person doppelganger in it. People who were unaware that I showed were pretty interested in the car in space. Interest never hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Yeah... I guess they didn't care back then (remember that those offer have to happen in 2009-2013, you know how early that is) and they can't care enough today (it's all "over" for govt agencies, waay too close, they're shutting down again now right ?). Anyway, let's stop bickering on a rocket launch a few cubesat short. I heard that FH is not going to be man-rated and the man is going to jump straight to BFR. I presume the lunar free-return trajectory tourist flight is going to be canceled ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) They can't land a stage right into a pipe on a trailer, can they? Upd. Or into the entrance of SILO. Edited February 9, 2018 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaman Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Well, I gues Elon found the ultimate 'cool dry place' to store his old car. Its dry with low temperatures, and how 'cool' is that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, kerbiloid said: They can't land a stage right into a pipe on a trailer, can they? Upd. Or into the entrance of SILO. Thunderbirds or You Only Live Twice ? I think if Musk has a "private BFR" it has to be Thunderbird 3. Edited February 9, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Spoiler 17 minutes ago, YNM said: Thunderbirds or You Only Live Twice ? Kind of the latter (still haven't seen Thunderbirds), but mostly I have in mind something like this: Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 10 hours ago, mikegarrison said: I suspect this is the heart of it. You can do risk mitigation by analysis or by testing. If testing is more expensive than analysis, then a company will try to do it by analysis. But if testing is relatively inexpensive and the company doesn't have decades of experience doing it by analysis, they may decide that it's cheaper to just do it by testing. This add that they will be launching many falcon 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSEP Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Poor dude. That wasn't footage of Falcon Heavy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukaszenko Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Yeah, it looks like they got confirmation of booster destruction, but immediately after a "but don't say anything!!"...and then you can kind of see them backpedal and try to hide their emotions. As for the free ride on the Falcon, would have been a perfect opportunity to test that Cannae drive and put the whole thing to bed. Most of the arguments against doing just that seemed to be of the "putting it in space is too expensive" variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The moment you realize Falcon Heavy is really heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightfury Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Don't know it was already mentioned in this way, the confirmation was clearly "hearable"(?) in the control room webcast: Go to 'Countdown Net Audio' and there to 38:15 (actually 38:29) Edited February 9, 2018 by Nightfury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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