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1 hour ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Shhhh.  There is no spacecraft. 

Nothing to see here 

Nothing

at

all 

That's the message for after it reaches orbit, when it will "fail" to separate somehow and absolutely reenter the atmosphere a couple days later. Either case, don't look there!

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12 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Customer focused - if the customer wants to wait - okay, the ship will be ready when they are ready 

For the benefits of spaceflight fans, they should change their business model to that of city buses. When the schedule says launch, they launch, whether there is a payload there or not. The customer can catch a later launch if they want to go to space so badly.

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16 minutes ago, Codraroll said:

For the benefits of spaceflight fans, they should change their business model to that of city buses. When the schedule says launch, they launch, whether there is a payload there or not. The customer can catch a later launch if they want to go to space so badly.

"We're going to launch this starship right now"
"But sir, it is completely empty"
"Just do it."

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4 hours ago, Codraroll said:

For the benefits of spaceflight fans, they should change their business model to that of city buses. When the schedule says launch, they launch, whether there is a payload there or not. The customer can catch a later launch if they want to go to space so badly.

I guess they'll do that when they earn more revenue from selling ads for the launch livestream than from the launch itself. :cool:

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1 minute ago, Beccab said:

This was the futuristic looking STS-1:
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But the white paint took up a considerable portion of the payload, so it became the ugly orange tank we all know and either love or hate

Ah, okay! Thanks for the explaination!

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45 minutes ago, cubinator said:

 

47 minutes ago, AtomicTech said:

Why can't they just keep the flaps as is!

Because they've found a way to make the flaps better at their job, namely flipping the ship.

Keep in mind this is only a fan render; we don’t know whether this is actually what they will look like. We know that they will be slightly smaller and further back but I’m not sure about placement otherwise. 

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51 minutes ago, cubinator said:

I think putting the flaps as far forward as possible makes perfect sense. A longer lever arm means a larger moment to transition our Martian explorers to "pointy end up" at just the right time.

I'm guessing that the flaps are largely useless in the Martian atmosphere for that right up to when things get exciting... 

Which probably means 'too late'. 

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3 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

I'm guessing that the flaps are largely useless in the Martian atmosphere for that right up to when things get exciting... 

Which probably means 'too late'. 

The flaps are actually about balancing during hypersonic entry, with different payloads.

An empty tanker might enter with the nose flaps all the way retracted, while a crewed ship entering with heavy nose windows might have the flaps fully extended, to get the same entry profile.

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4 hours ago, AHHans said:

I guess they'll do that when they earn more revenue from selling ads for the launch livestream than from the launch itself. :cool:

Obvious problem is that the success rate get high, its get as boring as falcon 9 first stage landings. This is obviously an good thing for everything but the number of views 
 

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3 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

Obvious problem is that the success rate get high, its get as boring as falcon 9 first stage landings. This is obviously an good thing for everything but the number of views 

They we can watch the more exciting lunar, then martian landings.

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16 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

Obvious problem is that the success rate get high, its get as boring as falcon 9 first stage landings. This is obviously an good thing for everything but the number of views 

Maybe they can use their excess payload to drop a secondary experimental re-entry vehicle to keep things SPICY.

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