Ultimate Steve Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Picture of the landed capsule with the dummy inside: Those are some pretty big windows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, tater said: Yeah, if it was cheap enough, I'd seriously consider buying a ride. 5k and I'd sign up today, lol. Like everything else, it's all about cost. 50k? Maybe after retirement, kids out of college, etc., hehe. I wonder what the going rate is on a kidney these days. One owner, gently used, may contain stones... 18 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: Those are some pretty big windows! There's a camera on board! At least one. They better not go all "BulgariaSat" on us, now. And we need to know the dummy's name! If it's Buster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 7 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: 8 hours ago, Ultimate Steve said: There's a camera on board! At least one. They better not go all "BulgariaSat" on us, now. And we need to know the dummy's name! If it's Buster... "Mannequin Skywalker." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Neither the capsule, nor the booster actually made it to space, I notice. If I paid whatever for the ride, it either makes 100km, or they fly me again, or refund me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Kerman Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 minute ago, tater said: If I paid whatever for the ride, it either makes 100km, or they fly me again, or refund me. You're no dummy (sorry, couldn't resist). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I would try to get a ticket, but I have to pay for college so I can go all the way to Mars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racescort666 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 11 hours ago, Ultimate Steve said: If the ticket price is in the vicinity of 10-15k (probably unlikely) I am actually going to try to save up for a ticket. That's about how much I saved to put down on my Alfa Romeo 4C and it worked out all right. If that's something you want to do and you can manage your money well, go for it. 11 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: You're young, might as well get used to the world of crippling debt early. I wouldn't call it "crippling debt" but getting into the Alfa as a young guy definitely set me back. Now that I'm looking at buying a house, I have been lectured several times about how expensive the car was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylon Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Well, if the BFR does what Elon said it will do when he said it will do it (even if it's delayed), by the time I can afford a NS flight, there may be a ticket price equal to an airline flight for a BFR flight. Edited December 13, 2017 by Skylon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Skylon said: Well, if the BFR does what Elon said it will do when he said it will do it (even if it's delayed), by the time I can afford a NS flight, there may be a ticket price equal to an airline flight for a BFR flight. And unicorns will be living in every little girl's backyard, too! 4 hours ago, Racescort666 said: That's about how much I saved to put down on my Alfa Romeo 4C and it worked out all right. If that's something you want to do and you can manage your money well, go for it. I wouldn't call it "crippling debt" but getting into the Alfa as a young guy definitely set me back. Now that I'm looking at buying a house, I have been lectured several times about how expensive the car was. Well, that is an expensive car with rather limited appeal. But I guess it's your money. Do you track it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I noticed that in the video the NS didn't land very close tot he center for something that spent so long hovering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regex Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 17 hours ago, Ultimate Steve said: Picture of the landed capsule with the dummy inside: Those are some pretty big windows! Where did that land? Looks like the Mojave. Getting flashbacks... Maybe the Mojave looks like the entire Southwest... Also, that capsule's shape is just as suggestive landed as when it's on top the rocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB666 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Just now, regex said: Where did that land? Looks like the Mojave. Getting flashbacks... Maybe the Mojave looks like the entire Southwest... Also, that capsule's shape is just as suggestive landed as when it's on top the rocket. El paso area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 54 minutes ago, tater said: I noticed that in the video the NS didn't land very close tot he center for something that spent so long hovering. Methinks that the lack of grid fin guidance makes for a much less pinpoint trajectory. F9 Block 5 is supposed to have something like a 1:1 glide ratio; that is a LOT of lift for what is essentially a plummeting telephone pole. Grid fin control authority probably makes up the majority of Falcon 9's trajectory adjustments. In contrast, the New Shepard is focused more on touching down safely/smoothly than on pinpointing a landing spot. I am also 100% certain that SpaceX pays more money to its programming/algorithm department than Blue Origin does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: Methinks that the lack of grid fin guidance makes for a much less pinpoint trajectory. F9 Block 5 is supposed to have something like a 1:1 glide ratio; that is a LOT of lift for what is essentially a plummeting telephone pole. Grid fin control authority probably makes up the majority of Falcon 9's trajectory adjustments. In contrast, the New Shepard is focused more on touching down safely/smoothly than on pinpointing a landing spot. I am also 100% certain that SpaceX pays more money to its programming/algorithm department than Blue Origin does. I also read somewhere that Blue Origin programmed the landing so that if it was inside a circle it would just land, if you're already on the landing pad, why waste fuel trying to get exactly in the center? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB666 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Ultimate Steve said: I also read somewhere that Blue Origin programmed the landing so that if it was inside a circle it would just land, if you're already on the landing pad, why waste fuel trying to get exactly in the center? West Texas is not exactly known for its calm winds, notice all the dust when the capsule landed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, regex said: Where did that land? Looks like the Mojave. Getting flashbacks... Maybe the Mojave looks like the entire Southwest... Also, that capsule's shape is just as suggestive landed as when it's on top the rocket. Looks like all of the southern half of NM. Here's a picture I took at the Trinity site in October: This area is "cleaner" than where BO is since everything in the foreground was scrubbed off rather convincingly in 1945 . (ground zero is to the left maybe 500 yards) 49 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: Methinks that the lack of grid fin guidance makes for a much less pinpoint trajectory. F9 Block 5 is supposed to have something like a 1:1 glide ratio; that is a LOT of lift for what is essentially a plummeting telephone pole. Grid fin control authority probably makes up the majority of Falcon 9's trajectory adjustments. In contrast, the New Shepard is focused more on touching down safely/smoothly than on pinpointing a landing spot. I am also 100% certain that SpaceX pays more money to its programming/algorithm department than Blue Origin does. Yeah, but part of their NS program is operational reusability, and their plan for NG is to land on a moving ship. You'd think they'd do some sort of testing as long as they are flying. Edited December 14, 2017 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regex Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, tater said: Looks like all of the southern half of NM. Yep, the Southwest. Much as I love Oregon I do miss the Mojave. 14 minutes ago, tater said: Here's a picture I took at the Trinity site in October: Gorgeous. And now back to your regularly-scheduled billionaire-funded space program talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) It's open (Trinity Site) the first Saturday in April, and the first Saturday in October every year. The October one often overlaps with the balloon fiesta, FWIW. Bezos used to live in ABQ, actually (born here). Edited December 14, 2017 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racescort666 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, mikegarrison said: Well, that is an expensive car with rather limited appeal. But I guess it's your money. Do you track it? You betcha: On topic: I as well remember hearing that BO was more concerned with killing lateral velocity than hitting the LZ perfectly. It could also be that SpaceX has openly talked about landing boosters back on the launch pad and they’re experimenting with trying to get that kind of accuracy thus the difference in landing accuracy. Edited December 14, 2017 by Racescort666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wumpus Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, Racescort666 said: You betcha: On topic: I as well remember hearing that BO was more concerned with killing lateral velocity than hitting the LZ perfectly. It could also be that SpaceX has openly talked about landing boosters back on the launch pad and they’re experimenting with trying to get that kind of accuracy thus the difference in landing accuracy. Seeing how it was a suborbital shot, isn't the main source of lateral velocity drift while parachutes are deployed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, PB666 said: West Texas is not exactly known for its calm winds, notice all the dust when the capsule landed. The flight only lasts a few minutes. Surely they have a weather window and would not launch in a gale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 hours ago, wumpus said: Seeing how it was a suborbital shot, isn't the main source of lateral velocity drift while parachutes are deployed? No chutes on the booster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 The landing for the capsule seemed really smooth, but I recall seeing in a previous launch that the capsule rocked about a lot during reentry, which would be very uncomfortable were I inside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 hours ago, cubinator said: The landing for the capsule seemed really smooth, but I recall seeing in a previous launch that the capsule rocked about a lot during reentry, which would be very uncomfortable were I inside it. Well, this was version 2. So maybe they fixed that. I would think any blunt capsule would rock, however. The landing is buffered by retrorockets that fire right at the end, like the Russian capsules are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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