KSP Interstellar Extended Continued Development Thread

Profit- · June 18, 2015

I finally tracked down a bug with the radiators I have been looking for to tell you about. When you have 4 or more microwave receivers and you activate them all, sometimes the radiators heat will top out at 1584K. If you shut down all the receivers and activate a single one they will operate normally.

Profit- · June 18, 2015

In a related report, I am unable to restart a molten salt reactor that did an emergency shutdown with a level 4 engineer kerbal. And... having thought about it I am a little unsure of why we cannot restart them with just some electric charge, real reactors have control rod drive mechanisms that are remote controlled and even after a SCRAM they are brought back online with only commands from a computer.

mkrco · June 18, 2015

Hi, I'm getting back to ksp after a while, and would like to install KSPI along with realism overhaul. However, CKAN won't allow me to install KSPI Extended once RO is already installed. I suspect that it's an incompatibility with Real Fuels. When I installed RO, it did install Interstellar Fuel Switch Core. Can I get around this? Is there an actual incompatibility, or is this just a CKAN problem?

scharlesc · June 18, 2015

This may be a dumb question but how come I can not turn the reactors on. I send a kerbal on EVA and even then there is no option when I right click that allows me to start them.

Khalkion · June 18, 2015

If you are trying to do it right after shutdown, you have to wait until heat decay is finished.

Also range of restarting is rather small, you have to be as close as possible (other options may appear far from reactor, but for restarting you have to come closer)

scharlesc · June 18, 2015

If you are trying to do it right after shutdown, you have to wait until heat decay is finished.
Also range of restarting is rather small, you have to be as close as possible (other options may appear far from reactor, but for restarting you have to come closer)

Yes tried to be right on top of it and no option to turn it on appeared. Very strange. It was a test at the launch pad so the reactor was never turned on. Tried about everything I could think of.

FreeThinker · June 18, 2015

Hi, I'm getting back to ksp after a while, and would like to install KSPI along with realism overhaul. However, CKAN won't allow me to install KSPI Extended once RO is already installed. I suspect that it's an incompatibility with Real Fuels. When I installed RO, it did install Interstellar Fuel Switch Core. Can I get around this? Is there an actual incompatibility, or is this just a CKAN problem?

Please ask in the same question in the real fuels threat. I did not make it impossible, someone else did

Khalkion · June 18, 2015

Yes tried to be right on top of it and no option to turn it on appeared. Very strange. It was a test at the launch pad so the reactor was never turned on. Tried about everything I could think of.

I think by default reactors are on and if I remember correctly when they are sitting on the lauchpad they are in pre-launch state, so no manipulations are available...

Khalkion · June 18, 2015

About microwave power

As always I don't know whether it is a bug with my installation or just intended behaviour due to some technical difficulties, but right now I see no reason in place power stations in orbit for microwave network. For me it seems that the efficiency is only depends on place in the atmosphere of reciever, no matter where is transmitter/relay as long as it is in line of sight.

PS I know that if we are talking about network, relays have to be in orbit in order to provide wide coverage, but heavy reactors with radiators and generators can be on the ground right now.

Psitticine · June 18, 2015

Got a little bit of a buglet to report: if you launch a refinery and reactor set-up but neglect the generator or other actual electrical source, you'll get a status of "Out of water" for the refinery when you attempt electrolysis instead of a message about the lack of power. This is with tanks properly set-up with water and storage for the results of the process; add a generator and it kicks right into action. I haven't tested with all the other processes yet but the Haber process at least gives the proper "Insufficient Power" status message.

Not a big deal by any stretch of the imagination but it could be confusing to people who haven't figured out what's really wrong with their set-up.

Khalkion · June 18, 2015

Also I suppose inline microwave reciever is missing some scale components. It is correctly scaled up and down and has increased/decreased collector area, but KSPI always reports that it is 2.5 radius, so big engines get penalties...

Edited June 18, 2015 by Khalkion

scharlesc · June 18, 2015

I think by default reactors are on and if I remember correctly when they are sitting on the lauchpad they are in pre-launch state, so no manipulations are available...

Thx that probably explains it.

waterlubber · June 18, 2015

I like this, thanks for continuing this mod! I did notice a few typos on the main page, want me to correct them for ya? (After all, I don't think a "noozle" exists.)

societyblind · June 18, 2015

I like this, thanks for continuing this mod! I did notice a few typos on the main page, want me to correct them for ya? (After all, I don't think a "noozle" exists.)

OMG don't you dare, I ADORE that it says "noozle".

FreeThinker · June 18, 2015

Also I suppose inline microwave reciever is missing some scale components. It is correctly scaled up and down and has increased/decreased collector area, but KSPI always reports that it is 2.5 radius, so big engines get penalties...

Good find, I will correct it next patch

scharlesc · June 18, 2015

Tried everything not a single reactor will turn on. Can't figure out what I am doing wrong.

mkrco · June 19, 2015

Please ask in the same question in the real fuels threat. I did not make it impossible, someone else did

Thanks, I did post it in the real fuels thread. I'm going to attempt to make these two work together since I really liked playing with KSPI and RO together in the past. Here's the response I got from the other thread. If you can give me any additional insight, I'd really appreciate it. Especially where those Rad Hardness lines might be coming from.

Below is the copy from the RealFuels thread.

Should be easily doable with some NEEDS clauses but I don't imagine either mod wants to take responsibility for that, although IMO it belongs in KSPI-E because it involves stomping on KSPI-E's configs.
The following should do the trick on any Interstellar Fuel Switch tank:
:NEEDS[!RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]

Thanks for the replies undercoveryankee, and regex. I'm not THAT familiar with modulemanager, so I'm not sure where exactly to apply that NEEDS line. If you'd be kind enough to give me a specific example for one tank, I'd be happy to apply it to all the tanks and then share the fix with others. Part of the problem is that with fuelswitch, all the .cfg files are empty (0-bytes) except for two parts files. Should I make a separate .cfg file, or are those two parts the only ones that need to be modified?

EDIT: I also noticed that if I manually install KSPI-E over RO, the VAB seems to slow down noticeably, and all the command pods have hundreds of Rad Hardness lines attached to them in the VAB descriptions. Like right-clicking on the Mk1 results in about 200 "Rad Hardness:6.00" lines in the description.

I'm going to post this in the KSPI-E thread as well to see if they might be able to provide some insight.

ABZB · June 19, 2015

Thanks, I did post it in the real fuels thread. I'm going to attempt to make these two work together since I really liked playing with KSPI and RO together in the past. Here's the response I got from the other thread. If you can give me any additional insight, I'd really appreciate it. Especially where those Rad Hardness lines might be coming from.
Below is the copy from the RealFuels thread.
Thanks for the replies undercoveryankee, and regex. I'm not THAT familiar with modulemanager, so I'm not sure where exactly to apply that NEEDS line. If you'd be kind enough to give me a specific example for one tank, I'd be happy to apply it to all the tanks and then share the fix with others. Part of the problem is that with fuelswitch, all the .cfg files are empty (0-bytes) except for two parts files. Should I make a separate .cfg file, or are those two parts the only ones that need to be modified?
EDIT: I also noticed that if I manually install KSPI-E over RO, the VAB seems to slow down noticeably, and all the command pods have hundreds of Rad Hardness lines attached to them in the VAB descriptions. Like right-clicking on the Mk1 results in about 200 "Rad Hardness:6.00" lines in the description.
I'm going to post this in the KSPI-E thread as well to see if they might be able to provide some insight.

huh - I am running realfuels, and realengines, and I have not had those issues. Had some teething problems with making ion-engines RealEngines configs, but I finally tracked them down to an obscure MM typo I made (I basically made the stock (and some other mods) ion engines be cheaper-but-lower-ISP (and be locked to a single fuel) compared to the first KSPI ion-y engines, and the stock ones max out at a still-not-quite-as-good techtree node, before the KSPI engines attain their full upgrades. also, This way I can have ion engines for probes before I have reactors unlocked.

mkrco · June 19, 2015

huh - I am running realfuels, and realengines, and I have not had those issues. Had some teething problems with making ion-engines RealEngines configs, but I finally tracked them down to an obscure MM typo I made (I basically made the stock (and some other mods) ion engines be cheaper-but-lower-ISP (and be locked to a single fuel) compared to the first KSPI ion-y engines, and the stock ones max out at a still-not-quite-as-good techtree node, before the KSPI engines attain their full upgrades. also, This way I can have ion engines for probes before I have reactors unlocked.

huh..So do you have both realfuels and interstellar fuel switch installed. Did you do it with CKAN or manually? Maybe it's a problem with RO then, and not realfuels?

mkrco · June 19, 2015

I think I've made some progress in getting KSPI-E and RO to work together, but I'm not all the way there yet. This is all on 64-bit Linux btw.

First I did a clean install with just RO and dependencies installed through CKAN, I got ~50 fps at KSC

Then I did a clean install with just KSPI-E and dependencies installed through CKAN, I got ~50 fps at KSC

Then I did a clean install with RO through CKAN, and KSPI-E installed manually, and I dropped to ~25 fps at KSC

But then I modified KSPI-E's RealfuelsFix.cfg to look like in the quotes below, and my fps jumped back up to ~50 fps.

I ran some quick tests, and it appears that all the engines, and fuel tanks are operating normally.

The remaining problem is that the command pods each have a couple of hundred entries for Rad Hardness, which makes them unusable since when you right-click on one in flight the entire dialog is filled with Rad Hardness instead of options for crew reports, etc. So, any ideas about where the Rad Hardness entries might be coming from and how I might remove them?

//Interstellar-RealFuels configs
@WARP_PLUGIN_SETTINGS
[*]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@HydrogenPeroxideResourceName = HTP //H2Peroxide
}
@TANK_DEFINITION
[*]:NEEDS[RealFuels,!ThunderAerospace]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Adds KSPI Water if TACLS is not present
{
name = Water
mass = 0.000012
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[serviceModule,Fuselage,Jet,Xenon]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]:Final
{
TANK //Add ArgonGas to all pressurized tanks. Values are based off of XenonGas.
{
name = ArgonGas
mass = 0.000095
utilization = 100
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
note = (pressurized)
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[Cryogenic,BalloonCryo]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Add LqdCO2 to Cryogenic tanks.
{
name = LqdCO2
mass = 0.00006
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -56
loss_rate = 0.000000000006
note = (has insulation, pressurized)
}
TANK //Add LiquidNitrogen to Cryogenic tanks. Values are based off of LqdOxygen.
{
name = LqdNitrogen
mass = 0.0000112
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -183
loss_rate = 0.00000000002
note = (has insulation)
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[serviceModule,Fuselage]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Add LiquidCO2 to ServiceModule and Fuselage tanks.
{
name = LqdCO2
mass = 0.00008
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -56
loss_rate = 0.000000000006
note = (has insulation, pressurized)
}
TANK //Add LiquidNitrogen to ServiceModule and Fuselage tanks. Values are based off of LqdOxygen.
{
name = LqdNitrogen
mass = 0.00008
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -183
loss_rate = 0.00000000002
note = (has insulation, pressurized)
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[Default,Balloon]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Add LiquidCO2 to standard tanks.
{
name = LqdCO2
mass = 0.000062
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -56
loss_rate = 0.000000002
note = (lacks insulation, pressurized)
}
TANK //Add LqdNitrogen to standard tanks. Values are based off of LqdOxygen.
{
name = LqdNitrogen
mass = 0.000014
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -183
loss_rate = 0.00000001
note = (lacks insulation)
}
}
//Part catch-all updates
@PART
[*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[H2Peroxide]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@RESOURCE[H2Peroxide]
{
@name = HTP
}
}
//Resource Definition updates
@OCEANIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[Ammonia]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = LqdAmmonia
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[Ammonia]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = LqdAmmonia
}
@OCEANIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[H2Peroxide]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = HTP
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[H2Peroxide]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = HTP
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_PACK_DEFINITION[interstellarAtmosphericPack]:FINAL:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[KerbinOxygen]
{
resourceName = LqdOxygen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[KerbinHydrogen]
{
resourceName = LqdHydrogen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[JoolHydrogen]
{
resourceName = LqdHydrogen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[LaytheOxygen]
{
resourceName = LqdOxygen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[DunaOxygen]
{
resourceName = LqdOxygen
}
}
//Remove duplicate entry for LqdMethane
!RESOURCE_DEFINITION[LqdMethane]:HAS[#density[0.00186456]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@density = 0.00042262
}
//Specific part fixes
@PART[FNMethaneTank*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[LqdMethane],@RESOURCE[Oxidizer],!MODULE[ModuleFuelTanks]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
temp = 0
volume = 0
type = Cryogenic
@temp = #$../RESOURCE[LqdMethane]/maxAmount$
@temp *= 4.412
@volume = #$temp$
@temp = #$../RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$
@temp *= 5
@volume += #$temp$
!temp = 0
}
!RESOURCE[LqdMethane] {}
!RESOURCE[Oxidizer] {}
}
@PART
[*]:HAS[@MODULE[FNModuleResourceExtraction]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@MODULE[FNModuleResourceExtraction]:HAS[#resourceName[Ammonia]]
{
@resourceName = LqdAmmonia
}
}
//Make ISRU refinery tanks insulated and modular
@PART[FNRefinery]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
volume = 1750
type = Cryogenic
}
}
@PART[FNInlineRefinery]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
volume = 1750
type = Cryogenic
}
}
@PART[FNInlineRefineryLarge]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
volume = 11000
type = Cryogenic
}
}

Edited June 19, 2015 by mkrco

FreeThinker · June 19, 2015

About microwave power
As always I don't know whether it is a bug with my installation or just intended behaviour due to some technical difficulties, but right now I see no reason in place power stations in orbit for microwave network. For me it seems that the efficiency is only depends on place in the atmosphere of reciever, no matter where is transmitter/relay as long as it is in line of sight.
PS I know that if we are talking about network, relays have to be in orbit in order to provide wide coverage, but heavy reactors with radiators and generators can be on the ground right now.

Actualy, I made it so that the source of the power also recieves a efficency penalty, when it is in the atmosphere. So I'm a bit surpized to hear this. But perhaps some of it's calculation are wrong. I will find out what might have gone wrong.

Edited June 19, 2015 by FreeThinker

Khalkion · June 19, 2015

Hm... May be my issue is due to planet pack?.. I'm playing with New Horizons.

But right now I recieve the same amounts of power, whether my powerplant with transmiter is in orbit or on the ground (all tests around Kerbin).

Noriu94 · June 19, 2015

Hey guys. i have a little problem after updating from Boris .90 to this version. Radiation hardness indicator just goes nuts.

Any idea how to fix this ?

Khalkion · June 19, 2015

Looks like you overwrote your old plugin folder. Currently you have to delete old KSPI installs before installation.

Noriu94 · June 19, 2015

nope. I've reinstalled the game to vanilla and only used KSPI. Same problem. Also tried KSPI version 1.1.19 and 1.1.18 with no effect.

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