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Kerbal Express Airlines - Regional Jet Challenge (Reboot)

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7 hours ago, RedPandaz said:

Are flying wings allowed? I have an idea :D

I would imagine that it would be allowed as long as the plane fits the criteria laid out in the opening post.

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31 minutes ago, Confused Scientist said:

You'll find out the next time you're on a transatlantic flight where the engineers decided to include glide in their range calculations.:D Hope you're a strong swimmer.

hahaha. But still. Most of the planes I make get their range from going really fast then gliding halfway around the planet.

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Test Pilot Review: @aerodis's [CompanyNameNotFound]: AerLeeker 3.6

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Figures as Tested:

  • Price: :funds:51,901,000
  • Fuel: 900 kallons
  • Cruising speed: 300 m/s
  • Cruising altitude: 6000 m
  • Fuel burn rate: 0.22 l/s
  • Range: 1200 km

Review Notes:

For an aircraft that relies entirely on Junos, the Aerleeker packs a quite a punch. During our testing, we managed to push the plane up to 300 m/s, which, although less than the promised 450m/s, is still far more than you would expect a Juno to go. It's also very quiet - the smaller engines result in less noise, and the wings are angled upwards, which results in much less noise in the cabins. The wings are actually quite interesting; we think they're the largest wings we've seen compared to the size of the plane, which enables the Aerleeker to take off from shorter runways at lower speeds. The wings also provide the most responsive roll control that we've seen - which takes some getting used to, as we accidentally barrel rolled twice before finding a balance. The price is high, though, at :funds:51,901,000. That, combined with its fuel consumption of 0.22 kal/s and its six high-maintenance engines means that this plane will be expensive to keep in the air.

The Verdict:
The Aerleeker 3.6 is a typical private jet - very comfortable to fly in, very solidly built, and offers a smooth ride, but also quite pricey. Unfortunately, that doesn't translate to a good regional jet; we don't think that we can afford to put this plane into service.

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10 hours ago, RedPandaz said:

Are flying wings allowed? I have an idea :D

Yep, they're allowed. We've had a few flying wing submissions already, actually.

10 hours ago, RedPandaz said:

The range formula doesn't count glide tho, amirite? Why?

How many passenger planes have you seen that glide?

If you mess up while gliding, your plane crashes, because you have no propulsion and can't climb to a safe altitude. No gliding.

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KnoefCo aerospace presents:

The Arenal

 

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With a design based of earlier high speed bombers, the Arenal looks slick and well built. It features a very meaty powerplant of 2 JX-4 turbo ramjet engines, which can propel the craft up to speeds in excess of 1300m/s (top speed 1355 m/s. These speeds are not recommended since they will put you at the verge of melting). Cruise speed of the jet however is in between 1100 and 1200 m/s, doing this at roughly 14 kilometers up, the cruise height could be anywhere between 14 and 20 kilometers, with a sweet spot around 17 kilometers. Standard version has a fuel capacity of 2360 (capable of being lowered to 1160 by emptying the wing tanks) and the extended range version boosts that up slightly to 2760 units of fuel. However, the big engines eat a lot of fuel, especially during take-off, where they can consume up to 1.5 units a second each. Once you reach desired height and speed, you can lower the throttle and cruise at roughly 0.5 units per engine, or 1.0 in total, depending on the altitude you can even get figures as low as 0.5 in total while going 1200m/s This gives the standard version a range of about 2600 kilometers (might seem wrong but I rounded down to calculate for the take-off) and the extended version about 3200 kilometers. Actual figures may surpass this still due to excellent performance at high altitudes (Have already flown 1500 kilometers in the standard version with tanks still half filled). The jet also has excellent maneuverability, which is hard to explain and should be tested to experience it, which makes for a very pleasant and easy flight. 

Going at :funds:63.745.000 it is a rather expensive jet indeed. But it more than makes up for this price with a fancy looking design and good stats in pretty much every field. The ER version goes at  :funds:64.411.000 which is hardly any more expensive, and it retains all the characteristics of the standard Arenal, which makes it a more than decent plane as well.

 

And obviously this plane will be competing in the supersonic category. 

 

Statistics:

Max speed: 1355m/s - 1319m/s ER

Cruise speed: 1200m/s - 1200m/s ER

Cruise altitude: 17km - 17km ER

Range: 2600km - 3200km ER

Passengers: 40 - 40 ER

Take-off speed: 66m/s - 74m/s ER

Landing speed: 48m/s - 56m/s ER

Price: :funds:63.745 - :funds:64.411 ER

 

Download Arenal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bfvwp4faxw3lj14/Arenal.craft?dl=0

Download Arenal ER: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv5rjbd7lsvuicf/Arenal-ER.craft?dl=0

 

More images can be provided if asked for.

Edited by panzerknoef

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 The Konsolidated Aircraft Corporation proud to announce:

The PBY Katalina!

     Embodying the traits of both a seaplane, and a supersonic transport, the Katalina is the next step in aviation innovation. 

 

https://imgur.com/a/r6QW0

Specs:

Max speed: 3201 mph ( mach 4.17)

Max Range: about 4000km

Passengers: 24

Cost: $53,816,000

Able to land on water? YES

Able to take off on water? YES

minimum landing speed 30m/s

Minimum takeoff speed 40-50m/s ( on water)

Minimum takeoff speed 60-70m/s ( on land)

Maximum operational ceiling 21,000 m

Note: action group one toggles main engines, action group two toggles water takeoff assist engines,  or  WATAE

To take off on water, the pilot must set main engines and WATAE to full, and pull up as hard as they can. WATAE should be disengaged after water takeoff. WATAE can be used the same way, for conventional land based operations. Ingaging WATAE 

Adapted from an old Bomber, The B-PBY Katalina, , the PBY has passenger seating located in the front of the plane, to reduce annoying engine noises, for the passengers. Unlike conventional seating arrangements.  

NOT AUTHORIZED FOR USE ABOVE 23,000 METERS

Happy Flying!

Link to PBY:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8CUWK2g0KlyallaQ3Y0eHZUeVU/view?usp=sharing 

 

 

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Submission for: Kerbal Express Air

Submission from: Habu Industries

Aircraft for Consideration :Canberra-P

Type: Turboprop Replacement/Small Regional Jet

https://imgur.com/a/aiHrH

Cost of Purchase: $16,305,000

Suggested Operation:

Cruise: 3000m @ 250m/s

Fuel: 500 kallons

Fuel Burn: 0.13 (3000m, 250m/s)

Specs:

  • 24 passengers in economy seating
  • Extra bulkhead room for luggage
  • 3 Engines for safety and speed
  • 60m/s unstick speed
  • 40m/s stall speed
  • 300m/s never exceed speed

Begin Message:

The Canberra-P is a tri-jet optimized for long thin routes, ones which are long distance but do not serve many passengers. These routes cannot be operated by turboprops due to their lack of range and are not economical to operate with larger jets. Enter the Canberra.

Three engines give the operator and the passenger peace of mind, as the Canberra is fully operational with only two engines. Long, over water routes can be handled with the ease of larger jets, with the price of a turboprop.

Here at Habu Industries, we care about your passengers. The three engines of the Canberra are positioned far aft of the passenger cabin, lowering in-flight noise to a minimum. Extra bulkhead space behind the passenger cabin can be used for extra luggage space or as a galley on longer flights. Not that your passengers can tell, the Canberra boasts much faster cruising speeds when compared to leading turboprops, with extra fuel to boot!

We foresee the Camberra to suit your needs, so please take a look!

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Submission for: Kerbal Express Air

Submission from: Habu Industries

Aircraft for Consideration :Pegasus

Type: Supersonic

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Cost of Purchase: $44,812,000

Suggested Operation:

Cruise: 9000m @ 400m/s

Fuel: 1320 kallons

Fuel Burn: 0.75 (9000m, 400m/s)

Specs:

  • 32 passengers in economy seating
  • One engine for simple maintenance
  • Excellent climb performance.
  • Excellent low-speed handling.

Begin Message:

The Pegasus is a simple SST for airlines looking to invest in the travel of the future without having to bear too much risk. Using existing technology and a simple design, the Pegasus is versatile and can serve many different types of routes. Our studies show that adding a second engine doubles the risk of in-flight engine failure, so we stuck with the one. In the off chance that it does fail, the Pegasus can glide for a long, long time thanks to its relatively large wing area and low-speed handling.

To get the most out of your craft, it is recommended to climb at 2/3 throttle or less. Only accelerate to the recommended cruising speed at altitude. Not only will the aircraft be out of earshot of all those pesky petitioners, but fuel economy is increased dramatically. If speed is more important than fuel economy, the Pegasus is able to fly far faster at 12,000m and full throttle, if needed.

We foresee the Pegasus to suit your needs, so please take a look!

Edited by NightshineRecorralis

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Submission for: Kerbal Express Air

Submission from: Habu Industries

Following: Olympus type wide-body jets

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Above Left to Right: Olympus 120, Olympus 250, Olympus MAX, Olympus 150, Olympus 100

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Aircraft for Consideration: Olympus 100

https://imgur.com/a/s1CWT

Type: Medium Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $84,049,000

Suggested Operation: 5000m @ 250m/s

  • Climbing at less than 20 degrees or 40m/s is recommended, whichever is less.

 

Aircraft for Consideration: Olympus 120

https://imgur.com/a/oAYau

Type: Medium/Large Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $94,049,000

Suggested Operation: 5000m @ 250m/s

  • Climbing at less than 15 degrees or 30m/s is recommended, whichever is less.

 

Aircraft for Consideration: Olympus 150

https://imgur.com/a/iMq9G

Type: Large Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $104,649,000

Suggested Operation: 5000m @ 250m/s

  • Climbing at less than 15 degrees or 20m/s is recommended, whichever is less.
 
Aircraft for Consideration: Olympus 250
 
https://imgur.com/a/8kk36

Type: Jumbo Jet

Cost of Purchase: $121,784,000

Suggested Operation: 5000m @ 225m/s

  • Climbing at less than 15 degrees or 30m/s is recommended, whichever is less.
 
Notable Mention: Olympus MAX
Type: Cargo
Cost of Purchase: $63,323,000
Suggested Operation: Undetermined
 
Begin Message:
 
You are welcomed to Habu Industries' unveiling of the Olympus family of jetliners. From the Olympus 100, seating 96, all the way to the Olympus 250, seating 192 passengers. The only difference between these jets is the height of the cockpit and the number of engines, so cross-certification is easy and attainable for all your pilots! 
 
Boasting higher efficiencies than ever, as well as with common parts shared between all these airliners, keeping costs low has never been easier. No matter your needs, there's an Olympus for you. We invite you to join us for this happy occasion!
 
 
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Gawain Aeroplane Industries Presents:

First off, the fact that all of our planes meet, and quite often exceed by a huge margin, every requirement stated of them.

 A floatplane: The K-38\52

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This floatplane can (at maximum power) go 290m/s with a range (at that speed) of 995 km, low altitude. Or, you can fly (at about 500 to 1000 meters hieight) at one third power at 160m/s for a range of 2060 km. 16 Passengers can use this to, in safety, land on the sea, possibly knocking out several fish, and then quickly leave when a shark comes.

And with only 43 parts, maintenance is easy, rare, and cheap!

Or you can fly at sea level, 148m/s, 1/3 throttle, for a range of 1,970 km. (Enough to fly from and point on Kerbin to any other point)

Gallons per passenger mile: 0.081

Dry price per Passenger seat: $1,208,125

For a low price of $19,970,000 ($19,330,000 dry) you can have this in your fleet!*

*Air conditioner sold separately

Download: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-K-3852

A Turboprop: The GAI* Turbo-XL Classic

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With a range of 1400 KM at 216m/s, this is pretty good for whizzing 32 people about at low altitudes, only one destroyed in testing! Very easy to fly, unlike competeing aircraft, this will not spontaniously combust! At $21,484,000 ($20,444,000 dry) it is going to pay off pretty soonish. It is very safe, and easy to maintain, using only similar parts. Having three engines, one, even two sometimes can fail, and you can keep flying! Great for areas with lots of annoying pigeons!

Gallons per passenger mile: 0.046

Dry price per Passenger seat: $638,875

*We would like top apologize for the unfortunate acronym. It was too late to change it once some-one noticed.

Download: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-Turbo-XL-Classic

A Small Regional Jet: The Skots Small (Also applying for Seaplane Category)

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Going 260m/s at low altitude on full throttle means this thing can go 1430 km before running out of fuel and surviving, because this plane glides very well, and not only took no damage as we simulated engine failure and landed in the sea, but was able to take off from the water too! This aircraft is very safe, and you could use it as a seaplane. Or, if you needed speed, you could go much faster by running the engines in wet mode, where it very almost reaches mach one at sea level. And it can comfortably carry 40 Kerbals, because this one has air conditioning! No heater though, the rear passenger cabin is right next to the engine! Costs for this awesomeness are $48,800 dry.

Handles very well, good for new pilots. (This goes for most of the Skots family of aeroplanes)

Note: If you fly at 2/3 throttle, 2 engines at near sea level, it has a range of 2,720 km.

Gallons per passenger mile: 0.0285

Download: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/Skots-Small-B

Medium Regional Jet: The Skots Medium

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Essentially a bigger, faster, better range version of the Small, this will carry 96 lucky passengers up to 2,350 km at 300m/s. Like it's little brother, very safe. Float-planing is doable, but you'll need to turn all three engine to wet mode. All Skots family planes are quite similar, all developed off of the small variant. As such they share lots of parts making maintenance easy, cross-certification is extremely convenient as builds an image for your brand. (They even have a conveniently blank, easily visible part of the fuselage practically begging for an over-sized logo) and each one of these wonders will cost $61,705,000 ($58,505,000 dry) to purchase. Recommended for use between 50 and 5000 meters of height.

Gallons per passenger mile: 0.09

Dry price per Passenger seat: $609,427

Download link: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-Skots-Medium-B

Supersonic Jet: The Skots Speedmaster

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Essentially a bigger, very much faster version of the Medium, this can whiz 40 Kerbals through the sky at 1,200m/s. Or much faster, but that voids the warranty and you might overheat and explode. We had difficulty speed testing a plane with a lower never-exceed speed than it's top speed. When turning, pilots should never turn upward (such as looping back on one's course) lest they find themselves in space. We recommend flying at 1200m/s (500-600 if you are scared) at about 7-11k of altitude. Free barf bags provided with every seat. Range: 1,800 km at 1200m/s.

Have you ever seen a biplane go this fast before? I think not.

Like every Skots family plane, it has 3 or more engines, (5 in this case) so if one, or two, or even more fail, you're fine! But they won't, that's just to give overly paranoid individuals peace of mind.

Interestingly, at top speed this thing has 63,770,400,000 joules of kinetic energy, enough to knock over several million portaloos.

For only $73, 519,000 ($64,559,000 dry) you can go as fast as you dare go. Just imagine the marketing potential. Kelon Musk probably wants one just to launch himself into space.

Dry price per Passenger seat: $1,613,975

Gallons per passenger mile: 0.25 (very bad - but if you want good mileage, look at this next plane!)

Update: Further testing reveals prayer to disable heat allows it to get up to 1,420m/s @ 12,500m

Download: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-Skots-Speedmaster-B

A Jumbo Jet: The Skots Mouse

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This is a considerably less insane branch of the Skots family. In economy mode (3 engines running, dry mode, we recommend the first 2 and last engine) this has a range of 4,128 km at 190 m/s. If you want faster, running 5 engines dry gets you a range of 2850 km at 260 m/s and if you put all of them in Wet you get to go 342 m/s but  with a range of only 790 km. All this awesome comes at a price though, specifically $107,509,000 ($100,469,000 dry). In terms of value per passenger, it is very good considering with that you can 208 of them launched into the sky with this 90 ton beast. We recommend flying at low altitudes (to save on fuel, having to lift something so massive up very far takes a lot of fuel!) on maximum throttle.

It is a reliable and cost effective way of transporting large amounts of passengers in decent comfort. (We put the quieter wheelies at the front so the cabins would be quieter.)

Gallons per passenger mile: 0.016 (This is why I picked miles instead of kilometers, there are less zeros on my planes)

Dry price per Passenger seat: $483,024

Download: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-Skots-Mouse-C

And A Cool Corporate Jet

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Look at this! Can go 730 m/s (dry burning), carries 8 and costs just $19,532,000. ($19,068,000 dry) One free for any purchase of $150,000,000 or more.

Range of 1,110 km at 730 m/s. Afterburning, I don't know, it's too late to test now. I must be going soon. (I spent most of my day on this. I must have been bored.)

Download: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-Jet

 

Edited by CrazyJebGuy
Adding details, fixing pictures, grammar

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KnoefCo aerospace is back again, and here to add even more planes to the ever growing queue.

Lassen-series

The Lassen series is class of 3 jet aircraft based around the same frame, this should already allow for easy maintenance since standardization is very much a thing here.

Kicking it off with a medium regional jet, the Lassen

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The lassen can hold up to 80 passengers on a regular flight, which more than meets the required parameters. It's powered by 2 Wheesley's which are mounted behind the cabin for maximum comfort. 

Fuel capacity is a rather pleasant 2180 units. Which, combined with the fairly economical engines, gives it a range of 2700km. This range can be reached by flying at the cruising altitude of 5500m with a speed of roughly 280m/s.

Her part count is 45 and she comes with a price tag of :funds: 30.532mil.

Download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ypw78qdilubah83/Lassen.craft?dl=0

 

Next up is the Lassen-Supersonic-B:

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After the engineers figured out how good the Lassen was, and that it already had a distinctly slick look, they decided to just replace the wheesley's by turbo ramjets.Some more intakes were also added to prevent the plane from flaming out mid-air. Also the tailplane was smoothed out so it wouldn't get torn off in flight.

take-off speed, passenger count and fuel capacity remained unchanged. 

She cruises between 17 and 19 kilometers at a speed of 1100m/s. After calculations this gives us a range of 2900 kilometers.

She counts 47 parts and costs :funds:33.332mil, which we think is a reasonable price for a large supersonic jet.

Download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlc0q1hvs0947gf/Lassen-Supersonic-B.craft?dl=0

 

Last in the family is the Lassen-Supersonic-A:

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First of all, the reason why I'm putting this one last is because it the most different out of all the variants.

The Lassen-Supersonic-A was the result of logical thinking. With the B variant already having a reasonable price, while actually outdoing the requested parameters by a solid margin, we decided to just grab a chainsaw and start removing parts of the B variant planes until we got closer to the demands.

Cruise speed is 1200m/s at an altitude between 17 and 19 kilometers. Due to once again having 2180 units of fuel, range is estimated at a pleasant 3700km, this can be achieved by flying up to the cruise height, reaching cruise speed and then throttling back to 2/3.  

As you may have noted, the front canards were removed to save weight and money, while it doesn't make a huge difference, it does give it a take-off speed of 70m/s, which is 10 more than the other planes in the series (could've been a lot lower but in that setup landing the jet had a close resemblance to jumping on a trampoline and was therefor scrapped).

Price:  :funds:29.732mil. Yes, that's right! a reliable supersonic jet for less than 30 million funds!

Part count is 41 and she carries 48 passengers.

Download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pubz24s0soutz7w/Lassen-Supersonic-A.craft?dl=0

 

 

 

If you don't mind, I've got more planes for different categories under development and can probably share them at some point if you're not already flooded by the judging off all the current planes. If you would like to see them, just gimme a sign, otherwise I'll keep them to myself to keep some work off of you.

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AARGH! My PC died, which had my triple-decker, Dodeca-Engined, 800 passenger monster on it.... which took at least 4 hours of work. So my entry may be slowed down until..... Christmas. Thankfully I have an old HP laptop, which can run a 3 part craft at about 10 FPS, so no luck for building my previously mentioned Monstrosity X-12, as it lagged out my old PC in the hangar..... so yeah..... there are a few pics of its first iteration on steam though. But it probably wouldn't have made the cut anyway, as it was a billion funds.

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Changed engine count. Derp.

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Submission for: Kerbal Express Airlines

Submission from: Habu Industries

Following: Sea Dragon Type Seaplanes/Jetliners

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(Above) Foreground: Sea Dragon 1000; Midground: Sea Dragon 2000; Background: Sea Dragon 3000

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Aircraft for Consideration: Sea Dragon 1000

https://imgur.com/a/s7Hv2

Type: Seaplane/Small Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $65,185,000 (Fueled)

Suggested Operation: (Long Distance) 7000m @ 250m/s, (Scenic) 1500m @ 130m/s

  • During takeoff, keep throttle less than 2/3 until 15m/s or higher.
  • Keep flaps down at speeds less than 80m/s
  • V1 : 50m/s

 

Aircraft for Consideration: Sea Dragon 2000

https://imgur.com/a/5NoK5

Type: Seaplane/Medium Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $75,185,000 (Fueled)

Suggested Operation: (Long Distance) 7000m @ 250m/s

  • During takeoff, keep throttle less than 2/3 until 15m/s or higher.
  • Keep flaps down at speeds less than 90m/s
  • V1 : 55m/s

 

Aircraft for Consideration: Sea Dragon 3000

https://imgur.com/a/zLCOk

Type: Seaplane/Medium Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $90,487,000 (Fueled)

Suggested Operation: (Long Distance) 7000m @ 250m/s

  • During takeoff, keep throttle less than 2/3 until 15m/s or higher.
  • Keep flaps down at speeds less than 90m/s
  • V1 : 60m/s

 

Begin Message:

Greetings from Habu Industries! Today, we present to you the ultimate airliner! The Sea Dragon is an extremely versatile family of seaplanes that can serve even the most remote places. Thanks to innovative flap design (bound to 2 and 3) and thrust reversing (bound to 1), Sea Dragons can land in as little as 300m! For reference, that is a mere quarter of the Island Runway. Take off is also simplified by the flap system, allowing liftoff at speeds of only 50m/s*! On the water, the Sea Dragon is no different. Takeoff/Landing speeds and procedures are the same. Combine that with the similarities between models, (the only differences are takeoff speed and length), and cross-certification is easier than ever!

We don't foresee maintenance to be an issue, as the intakes and engine are located on and above the body, away from water and other hazards. Should we also mention the safety of having 3 engines on a jet of this size? Not that your passengers would notice, the engines are located far above and behind the passenger cabin, reducing the perceived noise level in the cabin.

Despite Sea Dragons being seaplanes, their performance rivals the best jets around. Boasting high maneuverability at any speed, coupled with a high service ceiling and efficient engines, the Sea Dragon family of jetliners will be a blast to have!

*limited to Sea Dragon 1000 only, any other variant will have higher takeoff speeds.

Edited by NightshineRecorralis

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Another offering from Gawain Aeroplane Industries: The P.A.T. Postman Express (Personal Air Transport)

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It has two of these nifty cargo bays, you can put anything small enough inside. (We recommend parcels and letters)

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Designed to be a cost effective solution for fast mail runs between villages (or where-ever, it doesn't have to be villages), this aircraft costs a low $11,609,000 (dry - $12,249,000 wet) and has an astonishing range for something this small. It can go up to 321m/s (near sea level) or 185m/s (at 2500m on 1/3 throttle) with a range of 1400 and 3200 km respectively. Take off speed is ~70 (but you have to be pulling up hard) When climbing, we recommend climbing at about 45 degrees. It can climb at steeper angles with no cargo, but some idiot is going to mail a set of dumbbells.

New download link: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-PAT-Postman-Express

Can be downloaded with other crafts here: https://bristolbrick.itch.io/ksp-aeroplanes-for-competition

Action groups:

1: Extend Airbrakes

A 16 Passenger Variant: The P.AT. Stubs Express

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Essentially the above, but with the cargo bays replaced by 16 passenger seats. Also we added a parachute, using it this plane is very safe, and it will usually be cheap to repair after a crash. We have conducted these tests:

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It costs exactly the same amount and flies in a practically identical way. Both planes are dead simple, 24 (25 on the passenger variant), and come with free 10 year repairs & maintenance. Note to guy testing it: I suggest just testing one of these, they are extremely similar in performance. So much so I haven't bothered speed testing this one, the modifications are so small I just declared it close enough and took the data from the cargo version.

Gallons per passenger mile (GallonsPerPassengerMile, GPPM): 0.1

GPPM = (Fuel Capacity / Passenger Count) / (Range * 0.6213)

Range * 0.6213 is just range in miles. Also, the conversion, while not exact, it's close enough. 4 decimal points is well enough.

Action groups:

1: Extend Airbrakes

Downloadable at same webpage as the P.A.T. Postman.

And A better, cheaper seaplane: The K-61\a (based off P-38, but it's close to a P-61)

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An improved floatplane, cheaper faster and (very slightly less safe) version of the K-38/52. It has a range of 1325 km at 315m/s, sea level. It can take off from water (it has canards instead of rear elevators to help with this) and land on it safely. At a cost of $15,490,000 dry ($16,130,000 wet) and 32 parts, it is easy to afford and maintain. It can carry 24 passengers (and they don't get wet unless they spill something) at nearly mach one!

It uses 800 gallons of fuel to take 24 passengers 1325 km. That's 33 per passenger! And in terms of costs per passenger capability, each seat costs $645,416, near the price of each seat on the Gawain Mouse Jumbo Jet, which costs $483,024 per seat.

Gallons per passenger mile: 0.04

In summary, buy this plane. It is cheap, it is fast and fuel efficient, it is cheap to maintain and has a high passenger capacity.

Downloadable at same webpage as the P.A.T. Postman. Or, here: https://kerbalx.com/BristolBrick/GAI-K-61a

 

Also, is it OK by the rules to make extremely tiny modifications (offseting a part a little to move center of lift, that sort of thing) and then not even say so because the changes are so tiny?

Edited by CrazyJebGuy
Fixed Image, added floatplane.

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Submission for: Kerbal Express Airlines

Submission from: Habu Industries

Following: Sea Newt Type Seaplanes (KerbalX Hangar Here)

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Above Left to Right: Sea Newt X, Sea Newt, C-Newt

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Aircraft for Submission: Sea Newt

https://imgur.com/a/XLqJH

Type: Seaplane/Small Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $24,359,000 (Fueled)

Suggested Operation: 4000m @ 220m/s

  • Keep flaps down at speeds less than 55m/s
  • V1: 35m/s

 

Aircraft for Consideration: Sea Newt X

https://imgur.com/a/uE8zS

Type Seaplane/Small Regional Jet

Cost of Purchase: $25,159,000 (Fueled)

Suggested Operation: 4000m @ 220m/s

  • Keep flaps down at speeds less than 60m/s
  • V1: 40m/s

 

Aircraft for Consideration: C-Newt

https://imgur.com/a/5cYuc

Type: Seaplane/Cargo

Cost of Purchase: $24,429,000

Suggested Operation: 4000m @ 150m/s

  • Afterburner may be required for takeoff and climb for heavier payloads. This must be done manually due to safety concerns.
  • Keeps flaps down at speeds less than 60m/s
  • V1 (Empty): 35m/s

 

Begin Message:

Greetings from Habu Industries! Today, we present to you the smaller sibling of the Sea Dragon: The Sea Newt! The Sea Newt family shares many similarities with their bigger brothers, but the functionality and versatility you've come to expect still remains. Sea Newts can go where no seaplane has gone before, thanks to large flaps (bound to 2 and 3) and strong brakes, Sea Newts can land almost anywhere! With a landing speed of only 25m/s, Sea Newts are the ultimate regional airliner. Training new pilots will be a blast, too. The sophisticated autopilot can put the plane in the air for you. Activate by pressing "t", throttle up, and Sea Newts will take care of takeoff by themselves. Our pilots tell us there is very little difference between models of Sea Newts and Sea Dragons, so we expect yours will share the same sentiments. 

Maintaining a fleet of Sea Newts should be no problem whatsoever. Flotation aids help keep the rear engine out of the water, and the intakes and wings are high off the ground, decreasing the risk of impact with water or debris. Your pilots will also have an easier time flying. The glass cockpit allows pilots to see everything around them, simplifying landing in harsh conditions. Not only that but the large pontoons of the Sea Newt allow it to survive all but the hardest ditchings.

Although Sea Newts are seaplanes, they rival the performance of our own Canberra business jets. For a little extra money, you are getting the best of the best in the small jets market. With high maneuverability at any speed, Sea Newts will satisfy anything you throw at it*

*Within Reason, overloading Sea Newts or flying distances longer than specified voids warranty. Habu Industries does not take any responsibility if any damage or such occurs if the airline does so.

 

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10 hours ago, NightshineRecorralis said:

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I downloaded your aircraft to test it, at 4000m at 220m/s I calculated it had a range of 715km and 0.028 GPPM, a bit better than average. (Though I think the range is a bit lacking, my own floatplanes are both cheaper, faster and have better much range (one has double) but his carries more passengers.

It's not that hard to do the mathematics, to calculate range just (when cruising at whatever your recommended altitude and speed is) right click on one engine, at the top is fuel flow, just multiply that by however many engines it has to get the fuel usage. Then just divide the total amount of fuel by this number, that is how long it can go (in seconds), next just multiply by speed in meters per second. Divide this by 1000, and that is your range in kilometers.

Example: I have a plane with 2 engines. I fly it correctly, and find the fuel usage of one engine. It is 0.05. (BTW, only the first 3 numbers after the dot are worth caring about, ignore the ones after that)

I multiply 0.05 by 2 to get the fuel usage. (0.1) This plane has 500 units of fuel and so I divide 500 by 0.1, it can fly for 5000 seconds. I now times this by it's speed (160 m/s) and get 800,000. Now I just remove the last 3 numbers, I get 800, that is the range of that plane. (which I made up completely, just to show you how to do it)

 

Your sea newt was pretty good. Bit nose heavy (not great for new pilots) but I have no complaints apart from that as to how you made the plane. Thumbs up.

P.S. How do you insert images?

Nvm I figured it out.

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2 hours ago, CrazyJebGuy said:

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You know, you can actually find the total fuel consumption of all the engines combined in the resource tab. It's right in the fuel bar. Should save you some calculations :wink:

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As there is an obvious need of a medium-range seaplane, considering the extensive shoreline of Northern Keralonia and lack of airports on the peninsula, Roley & Ferbur Kerman's Design Emporium decided to release the company's private flying boat modification of the "Tern" (see K-57A and K-57B) on the public market.  

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K-57D "Tern" Seaplane

https://kerbalx.com/haruspex/Tern-D

- Passenger Capacity: 32

- Mass: 13.2 t 

- Unit cost: 28271000 kerbucks

- Fuel Capacity: 390 kallons

- Cruising altitude: 6000 m

- Cruising speed: 200 m/s

- Propulsion: 1x Wheesley 

- Fuel consumption at cruising altitude: 0.09-0.10

- Range: 780 km

- Takeoff speed: at runway: 47-50 m/s; at water: 43-45 m/s; Landing speed: 45-55 m/s.

- 57 parts

Tern Model D, being used for corporate transport along the shore, is not cheap, and is equipped with all the extra options also available for Model B, such as: on-board Probodobodyne navigation computer; extended battery capacity; extended range comms antenna; built-in folding ladder; solar panel array; etc. Therefore, it costs about 7.5 million kerbucks more than the generic 32-passenger Model A. 

Roley & Ferbur Design Emporium. The world is not enough!

Edited by Haruspex

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8 hours ago, CrazyJebGuy said:

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If you check out my Sea Dragons, they can fly more than 2000km. The Sea Newt was only designed for short-haul routes.

If you're looking for long-range seaplanes the Sea Dragons should take care of it.

If you'd like, I can always make a video showing how to land/ditch seaplanes really easy. It's all about speed and flaps. The Sea Newt lands at about 25m/s, so, should be pretty easy to learn.

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2 minutes ago, NightshineRecorralis said:

If you check out my Sea Dragons, they can fly more than 2000km. The Sea Newt was only designed for short-haul routes.

If you're looking for long-range seaplanes the Sea Dragons should take care of it.

If you'd like, I can always make a video showing how to land/ditch seaplanes really easy. It's all about speed and flaps. The Sea Newt lands at about 25m/s, so, should be pretty easy to learn.

I never said I had any difficulty ditching it, I landed it (and my own sea-planes) just fine, and took off just fine. I was saying your aircraft was a bit nose heavy, it's CoM was too far forward of the CoL, and it pitched down a bit more than I'd like in one of my own designs. Seeing the current race in sea-planes, I will be making a new, longer range one.

 

49 minutes ago, Haruspex said:

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Pretty quick, I wouldn't call 780km "medium range". I would go so far as to say one of my own designs, with 995 km, is short range.

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Just now, CrazyJebGuy said:

I never said I had any difficulty ditching it, I landed it (and my own sea-planes) just fine, and took off just fine. I was saying your aircraft was a bit nose heavy, it's CoM was too far forward of the CoL, and it pitched down a bit more than I'd like in one of my own designs. Seeing the current race in sea-planes, I will be making a new, longer range one.

 

Ah, ok, it seems that I misunderstood.

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Just now, NightshineRecorralis said:

Ah, ok, it seems that I misunderstood.

Eh, we all make mistakes. Apart from that, decent plane.

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Dunno if there's a market for aircraft with long ranges

planning to build a widebody family with the lowest range still over 5000km.

Is 5000km a lot is KSP? Don't quite remember the dimensions.

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33 minutes ago, NightshineRecorralis said:

Is 5000km a lot is KSP? Don't quite remember the dimensions.

No, not really. Some craft here, like mine, fly at 18000km

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2 hours ago, qzgy said:

No, not really. Some craft here, like mine, fly at 18000km

What is the circumference of Kerbin? I don't remember off the top of my head.

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