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Korona SSTO has been making rounds in the press again. I find it alarming that it's still a thing alongside Amur-SPG (Falcon-Methanski) and is getting more and more official endorsement. The last thing Roscosmos needs on their plate is a Korolev-Chelomei situation, but instead they're just throwing more and more things at the wall (Angara, Soyuz-5, Bartini's Krylo, even Don/Yenisei SHLV is still making noises).

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1 hour ago, DDE said:

Korona SSTO has been making rounds in the press again. I find it alarming that it's still a thing alongside Amur-SPG (Falcon-Methanski) and is getting more and more official endorsement. The last thing Roscosmos needs on their plate is a Korolev-Chelomei situation, but instead they're just throwing more and more things at the wall (Angara, Soyuz-5, Bartini's Krylo, even Don/Yenisei SHLV is still making noises).

Of course. Impressive announcements and PowerPoint slides are cheaper than impressive hardware. As the capabilities of the Russian space program dwindle into nothing, expect their announcements to become ever more grandiose. Ars Technica had a recent article on Borisov announcing a rocket able to throw infinite payload to space by running on reusable unicorn farts, starting next week. Or, well, that's not quite what he said, but he might as well, because what he promised will be equally impossible to deliver in the time frame:

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/russian-space-chief-says-new-rocket-will-put-falcon-9-reuse-to-shame/

Expect instead Soyuz to fly for a few more years until the budget or political situation will put a stop to manned Russian spaceflight forever.

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9 minutes ago, Codraroll said:

Or, well, that's not quite what he said, but he might as well, because what he promised will be equally impossible to deliver in the time frame:

Oh, it is possible to deliver in that timeframe.

But what if, hear me out, we gave the rocket scientists about a tenth of the necessary budget, and were utterly amazed they preferred to twiddle their thumbs, find excuses and set up rat lines and Swiss bank accounts instead of working? After all, that's how Angara happened. For the first decade, it received 4% of the funding it was supposed to.

Combine that with a stalwart example of KB feudalism (Makeyev's pet Korona) and you have an absolute swamp that needs a new authoritarian like Korolev or Webb to sort it out.

Borisov, meanwhile, just rattles off what his grammar-deficient PR team pushes his way. Be happy they don't boast of building a factory to produce carburetors for electric cars (there's such a scandal going on right now, someone included a news article from the equivalent of the Onion in a regional ministry's annual report, to great public embarrassment).

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8 minutes ago, DDE said:

Oh, it is possible to deliver in that timeframe.

A Falcon equivalent operational within five years, without having any hardware and no budget at the present? I'd call that unlikely at best. Remember that it took five years from the debut of Falcon 9 until they actually landed a first stage. 

Sure, it might be possible given infinite funding and competent management, but ... what's the saying again? "If a fish had wheels, it would be a bicycle"? Those missing factors are, well, quite far removed from what is actually available in the present situation. And frankly, quite a bit more than Russia can be expected to make available with things being the way they are at the moment.

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