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1 hour ago, Codraroll said:

I guess they don't need to. The right people can just send a press release that says "the people loves CNSA now", and suddenly its official approval rating is one hundred percent.  No need to buy as much as a poster. It must be very economical.

Well actually they really don't need to because thanks of the space station, moon and mars project, and the most important things: the hype from Western - China Threat Theory.  People probably more than 98% support whatever CNSA do if all my friends and family is not actor hire by CPC:ph34r:

The only complaint is that people want the researchers to be paid more.

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News: at 00:40 (UTC/GMT+08:00), the CZ-3B rocket successfully placed the "Zhongxing (China Sat)1D" into orbit. This mission was the 399th flight of the Long March series of launch vehicles.

4 launches a week, think someone is really getting serious. And, I'm looking forward to what will CNSA sending into space for the 400th flight of Long March series of luanch vehicles. Send something hypersonic

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11 hours ago, steve9728 said:

Yep. But sadly I still not back home and don’t have opportunity to visit the Juhai Airshow. Frankly speaking we don’t know more than the other people outside of China but in Chinese, Tengyun means tumbling cloud. And the “cloud” more than one: five of them. It called ‘five cloud and one train’. And I pretty much sure that the paper I shared about "TBCC based TSTO" is related on it

They are Hongyun (虹云,rainbow clouds); Xingyun(行云,flowing clouds); Feiyun(飞云,flying clouds); Kuaiyun(快云,fast clouds) and the Tengyun. The “one train” stand for “the flying train project” for the creation of a high-speed maglev transport system.

The Hongyun you can think it as Musk’s Star Link, but it is for the “low orbit satellite internet+5G+smart ship internet of Internet of Things. And it was completed its first full-system, full flow, multi-user broadband satellite Internet communications experiment. It has been broken down into three steps:"1+4+156”: the first step is to launch the first technical verification satellite by 2018, second step is to launch four service test satellites by the end of the 13th Five-Year Plan (sounds Soviet) to form a small constellation for users to have preliminary service experiences; the third step is to launch 156 satellites by the end of 14th Five-Year Plan (2021 is the first year of it). Those 156 satellites will be in operation and the business constellation will be built.

The Xingyun project is a low-orbit satellite-satellite laser communication, the so-called “Space-based Internet of Things. The α-phase twin satellites was launched in May 2020 and successful completion of all in-orbit tests. They said they would completed the β-phase of it and achieving small-scale business operations and initial realization of space-based IoT services. (I found the record at Wiki, launched at 12th May 2020 by KZ-1A rocket)

The Feiyun project is for building an airborne local area network. It has achieved a demonstration flight test of a local area network communication system based on a solar-powered UAV platform at an altitude of 8,000 meters.

The Kuaiyun project is stratospherically accessible floating mobile platform.It has successfully completed the stratospheric ultra-long stay floatation vehicle validation flight test.

Tengyun, ask FT:ph34r: The official statement is “The first combined power modal transformation flight test in China has been completed. Achieving a major breakthrough in air and space flight power technology.”

And the Flying Train is jointly promoting core technology research and industrialization synergy with advantageous units.

I don’t know about you guys, but I think is sci-if movies are still a bit conservative in comparison?

Optimistically, the fact that so little information is available about them at least suggests that CNSA is not wasting research funds on publicity:lol:

the official introduction about the “five cloud and one train”:http://www.xinhuanet.com/2020-10/19/c_1126631246.htm And it was published at 19th Oct. 2020

 

What do you think the possible names might be for the Next Generation Crewed Spacecraft and the crewed lunar lander?

My KSP replica of the NGCS is currently called "神箭" (Shenjian), which is just pulled from what Wikipedia claims the Long March series was renamed to in the 90s (but I have never heard that btw, so I can only assume it is false info lol).

Once I build it, I am planning to name the lunar lander "天箭" ("Tianjian", "Heavenly Arrow(?)") (based on the Shenzhou-Tianzhou dynamic) although that might be nonsensical. I am not familiar enough with the Chinese language(s)/space history/mythology/spacecraft naming conventions to come up with a good one.

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16 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

What do you think the possible names might be for the Next Generation Crewed Spacecraft and the crewed lunar lander?

My KSP replica of the NGCS is currently called "神箭" (Shenjian), which is just pulled from what Wikipedia claims the Long March series was renamed to in the 90s (but I have never heard that btw, so I can only assume it is false info lol).

Once I build it, I am planning to name the lunar lander "天箭" ("Tianjian", "Heavenly Arrow(?)") (based on the Shenzhou-Tianzhou dynamic) although that might be nonsensical. I am not familiar enough with the Chinese language(s)/space history/mythology/spacecraft naming conventions to come up with a good one.

Wow, I wouldn't dare to guess that:ph34r: Personally I prefer to continue to use the "Shenzhou" as the next generation spaceship and "Shenjian" for the new rocket: God's boat and God's arrow sounds pretty awlsome isn't it? 

The crewed lunar lander I think it still would be taken from ancient Chinese myth about the moon. One thing is certain that we will build the research station on the moon with our Russian friends. And in Chinese myth, the palace that Chang'e and Yutu living is the "Guanghan Palace", so I think at least the nickname we the Chinese use for the luner research station is the "Guanghan Gong (广寒宫)"

And Chang'e is "stole the elixir, flew up and floated to the moon". As I know so far about the Chinese, we don't use elixir to named something rocket science:D

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2 minutes ago, steve9728 said:

Chinese myth about the moon

Question - is there a Chinese myth about some woman who pours out water / river from a jug?  Saw a cool sculpture - think it's Chinese - but don't know what it signifies.  Could be wind, but I think it's water.

 

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2 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Question - is there a Chinese myth about some woman who pours out water / river from a jug?  Saw a cool sculpture - think it's Chinese - but don't know what it signifies.  Could be wind, but I think it's water.

 

I have an impression, I might have had my picture taken with this sculpture when I was a kid, I'll have to look for it

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11 minutes ago, steve9728 said:

I have an impression, I might have had my picture taken with this sculpture when I was a kid, I'll have to look for it

Took some pics - its a beautiful, and quite old piece.  My grandmother's.  She lived in SEA for @ 50 years.  https://imgur.com/a/DhBgVWP

 

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35 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Took some pics - its a beautiful, and quite old piece.  My grandmother's.  She lived in SEA for @ 50 years.  https://imgur.com/a/DhBgVWP

 

Well I definitely haven't had my picture taken with this one hahaha:lol: The statue is relatively close to the Tang Dynasty style (because of it's hairstyle). Apart from endless wars, a large part of China's history has been spent fighting floods: the female deity known as the river god was also drowned. So we don't have so much "some lady cried and created a river": the water we have is enough, really. Perhaps some other small local lake in some other small place will have a similar myth, but on the whole it was male mostly who could be worshipped as river gods and for who had done a remarkable job of controling floods.

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15 minutes ago, steve9728 said:

Well I definitely haven't had my picture taken with this one hahaha:lol: The statue is relatively close to the Tang Dynasty style (because of it's hairstyle). Apart from endless wars, a large part of China's history has been spent fighting floods: the female deity known as the river god was also drowned. So we don't have so much "some lady cried and created a river": the water we have is enough, really. Perhaps some other small local lake in some other small place will have a similar myth, buth on the whole it was male mostly who could be worshipped as river gods and for who had done a remarkable job of controling floods.

Cool.  Closest we've been able to figure this out.  My grandmother was a great admirer of Chinese sculpture, Japanese painting and Indonesian woodworking.  

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48 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Cool.  Closest we've been able to figure this out.  My grandmother was a great admirer of Chinese sculpture, Japanese painting and Indonesian woodworking.  

The best thing to be Chinese is when I visit Japan and looking for something from hundreds or thousands years ago,I never need to look the introduction on the exhibition boards especially when it’s a book or paint or something else with text: they’re all writing by Chinese :lol: Some of my friends visiting Korea also has same experiences.

My father: you see, even the Japanese hand writing is much more better than you!

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On 11/27/2021 at 3:29 AM, steve9728 said:

crewed lunar lander?

Descuss it with friends in the group chat. They said that they prefer "Wugang" or "Houyi". The Wugang myth:https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chinese_Stories/Wu_Gang. And Chang'e actually is the wife of Houyi: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chinese_Stories/Houyi_and_Chang'e

Remember the signal relay satellite in Lagrangian L2 point orbit? It calls Queqiao, the Magpie Bridge(鹊桥). And this is the myth about it:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cowherd_and_the_Weaver_Girl

Damn, if the manned lunar lander named as Houyi, that's really romantic

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22 hours ago, steve9728 said:

Descuss it with friends in the group chat. They said that they prefer "Wugang" or "Houyi". The Wugang myth:https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chinese_Stories/Wu_Gang. And Chang'e actually is the wife of Houyi: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chinese_Stories/Houyi_and_Chang'e

Remember the signal relay satellite in Lagrangian L2 point orbit? It calls Queqiao, the Magpie Bridge(鹊桥). And this is the myth about it:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cowherd_and_the_Weaver_Girl

Damn, if the manned lunar lander named as Houyi, that's really romantic

Hey, that's cool! In the West, we usually just hear about Greco-Roman and Nordic myths, and sometimes Native American or whatever. It's always fun to see a completely new story. Thanks for the links!

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