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7 minutes ago, Hummingbird Aerospace said:

b) if I should switch the Celeron with a slightly better processor (like a Pentium or an i3) and the GTX 1050 with a less expensive graphics card (I intend to play other games than KSP [boo, hiss, i know]

Celerons are garbage.  I wouldn't put one in a Facebook machine, let alone a "gaming" machine.  Slapping the word "Gaming" on a computer means literally nothing.  I see barebones builds selling as "gaming" PCs all the time, and it's meaningless.

Honestly, I think you should just save up a little longer and get something with a good i5 and at least the 4GB 1050.  If you buy that slim-downed box and manage to get some more cash to beef it up later... it will cost way more than the price difference than buying it better to begin with.

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What Geonovast said. The CPU is slower than the one in your Mac and any GPU lower than that is not really worth it.

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Could somebody point me in the direction of a ~600 build including an OS, PSU, and a monitor? Thanks (in advance).

 

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So I am thinking of upgrading my PC a little bit. I was wondering whether I should get a better processor or a better GPU. Current setup is:

i5 2320

GTX650

8Gb RAM

Kerbal runs ok but I can’t update my other favourite game to the latest version since it won’t really run with a decent frame rate. 

I am looking at used i7 3770 at the moment since that’s about the best CPU the motherboard will accept. 

Can anyone shine any light on this subject? I am a bit of a noob when it comes to stuff like this (also not sure if this is the right forum).

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I am not a specialist, can only offer basic thoughts.

From what i read the processor isn't that much faster than your old one but has more cores. If your not using heavily multithreaded stuff there will not be much of a difference. A better graphics card could help speeding up graphics, may be a gtx 670 or so ?

Limiting components these days are seldom the processor or the graphics card in itself, but io related things, memory access, bus speed etc. If you have slow memory and a lazily spinning hard disk, the best processor would starve waiting for data to do things with.

I'd wait until i can afford a complete newer machine.

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2 hours ago, villetuomas said:

but I can’t update my other favourite game to the latest version since it won’t really run with a decent frame rate.

That depends on the games then.

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Just to complement what @Green Baron said:

Your i5 withhold up to 3.30 GHz. Don't replace it with anything slower than 4 GHz, or you will waste money - as your focus is gaming, not processing. An i7 will be better on the overall, but your gains on gaming will be marginal. I would expend the money on memory for more add'ons on KSP. :) 

Your GPU, however, is utterly underpowered by nowadays standards.

This is a comparision to mine (a cheap one):
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/GeForce-GTX-650-vs-Radeon-RX460/2155vs4003

And this is a comparision with a sligthly better one, but yet damn cheap:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/GeForce-GTX-650-vs-Radeon-RX-470/2155vs3558

You best bet is GPU, and then memory.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Hummingbird Aerospace said:

and a monitor?

A cheap FHD TN panel will cost around 100$ or so, a 4k IPS panel comparable to your retina display will be around 300$. I'm a bit concerned that you expect to replace a machine that sold for at least 1500$ with comparable or better hardware for less than half the price.

If you take your 400$ setup from a few days ago and take a GTX1050 Ti and one of the cheaper eight generation i3s you'd have a setup that would CPU wise comparable to your Mac and GPU wise somewhat faster but still limited to playing games with reduced details in FHD.

This looks like a decent build for about 600$ but you'd need to skimp on some parts to fit a monitor into the budget: https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/J6ZxFT/entry-level-intel-gaming-build

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Excellent replies everyone. I play a lot of Pro Evolution Soccer when I feel KSP is too demanding for my mood and PES19 states minimum requirements as i5 2500 and GTX 670. My spouse was just looking at Witcher 3 as well, which had similar requirements to PES. As the 2320 is not far from 2500 would this be a negligible difference? 

So if I update the GPU, could that be enough to play these games? Is i7 overkill for casual gaming compared to similar aged i5? As I said, I don’t know much about these things! :lol:

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50 minutes ago, villetuomas said:

Pro Evolution Soccer 

Raise the GPU a bit.

Don't think a football game requires more processing power than KSP, unless we're chasing 60+FPS or so.

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2 hours ago, villetuomas said:

Is i7 overkill for casual gaming compared to similar aged i5?

Depends. Console ports like Witcher 3 seem to profit from the additional hyperthreading. But Witcher 3 also lists a 2500K as the minimum requirement, so a 2500 might already be too anemic for this game. Although the K version is not much stronger unless you oc it: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-2500K-vs-Intel-i5-2500-vs-Intel-i5-2320/804vs803vs790

I would either take the K version or the i7, but both options might be comparatively pricy as those higher end CPUs tend to stay expensive or even become more expensive as people become more desperate to upgrade their old hardware. So as the others said, upgrading your GPU is probably the better option.

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5 hours ago, Harry Rhodan said:

This looks like a decent build for about 600$ but you'd need to skimp on some parts to fit a monitor into the budget: https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/J6ZxFT/entry-level-intel-gaming-build

And an OS. Windows is very expensive. I should probably wait and save up or wait for some sale. I should probably wait until I have a good amount of money. Thank you for the help.

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@villetuomas, your question has been merged into the master thread for this kind of discussion. Good luck with it. 

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Hi Folks.

I'm not sure if I should post this here, or at Technical Support maybe?

I was wondering what sort of PCIe graphics card I'd need to max-out on KSP 1.6's visual settings, just for the heck of it.  Years ago I used to follow which cards were which but not these days, so can anyone advise on the best value card with enough Omph to do the job without breaking the bank? 

Any capable but 'yesteryear' cards I could upcycle even?

 

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3 hours ago, HippyChippy said:

Hi Folks.

I'm not sure if I should post this here, or at Technical Support maybe?

I was wondering what sort of PCIe graphics card I'd need to max-out on KSP 1.6's visual settings, just for the heck of it.  Years ago I used to follow which cards were which but not these days, so can anyone advise on the best value card with enough Omph to do the job without breaking the bank? 

Any capable but 'yesteryear' cards I could upcycle even?

 

Keep in mind that KSP is more CPU heavy than GPU heavy, so don't splash out too much on a hip GPU unless you already have the CPU (and RAM) to match it.

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It's not terribly important what GPU you have, so much as just that you have one, to take that load off of the CPU.

You could probably grab a second hand GTX 1050Ti (or AMD equivalent, if you swing that way) for not too much.

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I asked the question a while ago.

Most of the answer is here

 

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@HippyChippy, your question has been merged into the master thread for this sort of discussion. 

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6 hours ago, HippyChippy said:

Hi Folks.

I'm not sure if I should post this here, or at Technical Support maybe?

I was wondering what sort of PCIe graphics card I'd need to max-out on KSP 1.6's visual settings, just for the heck of it.  Years ago I used to follow which cards were which but not these days, so can anyone advise on the best value card with enough Omph to do the job without breaking the bank? 

Any capable but 'yesteryear' cards I could upcycle even?

To max out KSP's stock visual settings, you don't need too much of a GPU. However, there are mods (particularly Scatterer) which add effects that make KSP look more like a modern game. Those mods tend to even out the requirements to more like that of other games, rather than requiring much more CPU.

Scatterer, Stock Visual Enhancements, Stock Visual Terrain, Realplume, Planetshine, and KS3P (post processing) are my current favorite graphics mods, if you're looking for the best visuals. KS3P requires some large config edits in my opinion though, there's too much vignette and lens dirt by default for my liking.

Restock (stock parts revamp) and Textures Unlimited (implementation of PBR shaders in KSP) are two upcoming/under-development mods to keep an eye on as well.

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