KSP Weekly: The Orbiters!

[Enceos]

23 hours ago, Angel-125 said:

Interesting suit designs. Nice cleaner look. I like the original helmet best with its red stripe. It would also be great to have a suit without helmet and collar for those who like telling stories with kerbals that wear normal outfits instead of space suits. 

As a designer of custom Kerbal wearables I can't agree more with this post. While retexturing and tweaking the mesh of the original model, please take an effort to separate the collar from the body mesh. Additionally, having an option to choose a model with normal outfits (same model which is used for the kerbals walking around in the VAB) will finally fulfill our continuous 5 year long request.

P.S. I also think the helmet should be white, not dirty gray. As Snark has said, having a distinction between pilots, engineers and scientists is most welcome.

[adsii1970]

On 8/17/2018 at 1:39 PM, Vanamonde said:

On the poll, why can't I vote to have all the suits in the game? You've already gone to the trouble to make them, so why not give players an in-game choice? More options are always better. 

 

On 8/17/2018 at 1:42 PM, Ultimate Steve said:

Not to mention the fact that they implemented a suit changing system in the expansion.

I'd like to add this - why not include the new suits as a part of a much larger DLC package?

With as much as I have spent on other games, I'd gladly spend $5.00 or so to get some new suits and a few more parts, like stock rotors, propellers...

Edited August 18, 2018 by adsii1970

[klesh]

Indeed, as someone who has the suit-changing feature I paid extra for, it would be great to be able to choose from all kinds of different suits.

I would love the different specializations having their own colors of striping.  I made a little pack like that for texture replacer awhile ago. 

 

Having to make a choice at all here does seem pretty silly.  You've shown us 2 color variations, make a 3rd and apply them to the kerbal's specializations.

Edited August 18, 2018 by klesh
found and added my old texture replacer pic

[Delay]

14 minutes ago, adsii1970 said:

I'd like to add this - why not include the new suits as a part of a much larger DLC package?

They are revamping the parts and, in this case, the EVA suits. If you want to pay money for an improved suit you might as well pay money for visually improved engines or tanks.

Basically Ven's Revamp, but you need to buy it.

Edited August 18, 2018 by Delay
No idea what "tnaks" are.

[adsii1970]

39 minutes ago, Delay said:

They are revamping the parts and, in this case, the EVA suits. If you want to pay money for an improved suit you might as well pay money for visually improved engines or tanks.

Basically Ven's Revamp, but you need to buy it.

Right, I know. But with what I paid for the game versus playtime enjoyment, I'd float @SQUAD another $5 to $10 for such content.

Edited August 18, 2018 by adsii1970
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[DMagic]

A quick mockup, in case anyone wants to know what the new version would look like with a bit more color:

[Deddly]

2 minutes ago, DMagic said:

A quick mockup, in case anyone wants to know what the new version would look like with a bit more color:

An improvement! But to my eyes it would still be nicer with white instead of the dirty grey. 

[DMagic]

A little better.

[Delay]

That's more like it.

[TiktaalikDreaming]

20 minutes ago, DMagic said:

A little better.

Noice. Now, if that red was a colour you could pick...

But I think that looks a lot nicer and more cohesive than the grey smokey helmet.

[Dman979]

3 hours ago, DMagic said:

A little better.

*Much

Edited August 19, 2018 by Dman979
Changed quote.

[Adsixnine]

Red and white suit

I like it.

[captainb]

To be honest I prefer the prior suit design over either of the new ones.  As nearly everyone else has mentioned, the white with red stripe helmet looks better than the sooty grey, but I also prefer the more realistic if slightly muddled details in the original suit body to either of the overly simplified new ones.

[invision]

the original helmet looks better.

[Dark Lion]

12 hours ago, RealKerbal3x said:

That was already a thing on the old EVA suit. I reckon they'll keep it for the new one.

OH! Wow... I even have screenshots of it from old games. 

[RealKerbal3x]

12 hours ago, nestor said:

The parachute hasn’t changed. 

K, good. Good call on getting rid of that ugly parachute pack thing

[Vexillar]

13 hours ago, klesh said:

I would love the different specializations having their own colors of striping. 

Me too.  I've been dressing my kerbals using Texture Replacer or Texture Replacer Replaced for a while, and had planned to release the finished suit pack:

IVA suits - Level 0 in blue, Levels 1-2 in white, Levels 3-5 in specialist colours.  Veterans in orange, of course, and tourists in grey.

Specialism colours: Pilots - sky blue and black; Scientists - green and white; Engineers - maroon and chrome yellow.

Spoiler

 

For EVA, I'd done the helmets and pack (before parachutes were a thing) but the suit was still WIP, just colour patches to map it out:

(Side note: in 1.4.x, the .png bitmaps used here render with a nylony appearance, but before that they were matt.  I guess this is a Unity change defaulting the absent alpha channel to 50% instead of 0%?)

[Angelo Kerman]

@SQUAD How about making the IVA suits without a suit collar and more like normal clothing? The ISS crew doesn’t run around with pressure suits...

[HansonKerman]

On 8/17/2018 at 2:13 PM, Deddly said:

I like the Red and white suit, but to be honest, I'm not a fan of the monochrome helmet. Perhaps years of playing KSP has tarnished me, but it feels like something is missing. 

Yeah... the helmet ticks me off...

I never liked the red stripes, and I don't like the smooth/rough contrast between the "Old" and "New" model.

But I always thought the EVA suit needed an over haul.

 

 

Official Suit of the Kerbal Space Program:

Virtually unchanged since .16!

[purpleivan]

I don't really see the reaoning for the grey helmet with a white suit, but it's good news to see that the normals on the model have been fixed.

[Vexillar]

55 minutes ago, purpleivan said:

I don't really see the reasoning for the grey helmet

Possibly because within the game code the veteran suits are referred to as "orange" and the normal suits as "grey"?

But (as you may notice with my suit textures) the old model was a bit of a nightmare to map - especially round the wrists and boots (where I would still have had some tweaks to do).  The new model looks like it ought to  be much cleaner to map in those areas - despite my earlier comment about the edges.

1 hour ago, purpleivan said:

it's good news to see that the normals on the model have been fixed

Couldn't agree more.  The problem with the old model is very obvious on the arms in the Mun picture in my last post: Bill and Bob's arms are shadowed when they should not be - compare Val's.

[CardinalBiggles57]

I like the new suit texture (I voted for red), but I'm not a fan of the dull helmet.  I think it would look better with some colour on it.

[RocketSimplicity]

On 8/19/2018 at 7:01 AM, DMagic said:

 

A little better.

 

I hope the KSP team sees this. It’s much better. I’d also like to see the blue areas on the other suit, I think they would suit it well.

[StarStreak2109]

On 8/18/2018 at 10:03 PM, Delay said:

They are revamping the parts and, in this case, the EVA suits. If you want to pay money for an improved suit you might as well pay money for visually improved engines or tanks.

Basically Ven's Revamp, but you need to buy it.

I am not handing Squad another cent unless a DLC adds true value to the game. An overhaul of some models whilst there are much bigger issues with the game does IMHO not qualify as such.

On 8/18/2018 at 10:16 PM, adsii1970 said:

Right, I know. But with what I paid for the game versus playtime enjoyment, I'd float @SQUAD another $5 to $10 for such content.

Not for a bunch of long overdue overhauls.

On 8/18/2018 at 11:01 PM, DMagic said:

A little better.

I like that a lot!

On 8/19/2018 at 5:05 PM, Angel-125 said:

@SQUAD How about making the IVA suits without a suit collar and more like normal clothing? The ISS crew doesn’t run around with pressure suits...

A very good idea!

[klgraham1013]

On 8/18/2018 at 12:28 PM, nestor said:

The parachute hasn’t changed. 

So, it's still just slapped onto the back of the EVA pack?  Unfortunate.