NASA on the moon, info or intox ?

[ZooNamedGames]

1 hour ago, Xd the great said:

I think that is the parents' attitude, in America, you fail school, you become a mechanics, no problem.

In elsewhere, you fail school, your parents beat the crap out of you.

Though that is true, and America certainly is in need of blue collar workers as we're entering a shortage of them- this isn't the case with misinformation as far as the parents go, as most that are that neglectful, don't even give the outcome of their kids lives that kind of thought.

Though corporal punishment is not legal in the states anymore, it certainly wasn't the solution. Outside of the US, parents don't need to beat their children for failure as they will become shunned by society or fail to meet living standards and become homeless. That being enough cause for immersing one's self into their education.

Another factor is in other nations, especially less developed nations in areas like the Middle-East or Africa; misinformation is still rampant (for example; tribal beliefs and the belief that western doctors are merely organ poachers), but less so with major conspiracies like anti vaxx (no data on FlatEarthism in Africa that I'm aware of) are disproven by the fact that the mothers of children in Africa have seen and likely lost previous children to the diseases that the vaccines are protecting against. Even if they knew about the 'risks', they'd still likely take it as the child would likely die either way, but at least with the vaccine, there's a chance of them becoming immune. Avoiding the vaccine leads to a high risk of death, especially as they don't have as much western medicine to keep them alive as they deteriorate. So conspiracies like anti vax simply don't get traction in less developed nations. In larger ones, it might. But again, depending on economics and societal norms, they may simply accept their teachings rather than deny it for fear of failing school or losing out on their potential future, or just keep their thoughts to the internet where they can be protected by the anonymity of the internet.

[Xd the great]

13 minutes ago, ZooNamedGames said:

Though that is true, and America certainly is in need of blue collar workers as we're entering a shortage of them- this isn't the case with misinformation as far as the parents go, as most that are that neglectful, don't even give the outcome of their kids lives that kind of thought.

Though corporal punishment is not legal in the states anymore, it certainly wasn't the solution. Outside of the US, parents don't need to beat their children for failure as they will become shunned by society or fail to meet living standards and become homeless. That being enough cause for immersing one's self into their education.

Another factor is in other nations, especially less developed nations in areas like the Middle-East or Africa; misinformation is still rampant (for example; tribal beliefs and the belief that western doctors are merely organ poachers), but less so with major conspiracies like anti vaxx (no data on FlatEarthism in Africa that I'm aware of) are disproven by the fact that the mothers of children in Africa have seen and likely lost previous children to the diseases that the vaccines are protecting against. Even if they knew about the 'risks', they'd still likely take it as the child would likely die either way, but at least with the vaccine, there's a chance of them becoming immune. Avoiding the vaccine leads to a high risk of death, especially as they don't have as much western medicine to keep them alive as they deteriorate. So conspiracies like anti vax simply don't get traction in less developed nations. In larger ones, it might. But again, depending on economics and societal norms, they may simply accept their teachings rather than deny it for fear of failing school or losing out on their potential future, or just keep their thoughts to the internet where they can be protected by the anonymity of the internet.

Another difference is that people elsewhere trust the Government.

[Vanamonde]

Please stay away from characterizing nations and governments. Those discussions never end well. 

[DNKKING]

On 5/6/2019 at 12:39 AM, Brownie352 said:

If the landing on the moon is real, then why did the astronauts not sink on the corny surface of the artificial satellite?

Explain this HA!

Are you serious 

 

Edited May 12, 2019 by DNKKING

[Codraroll]

2 hours ago, DNKKING said:

Are you serious 

 

You're new to the Internet, aren't you?

[KerikBalm]

On 5/3/2019 at 3:00 PM, DNKKING said:

So the US and Russia are not ennemy in the space field ?

 

Its obvious that you're not a native english speaker, so I think this is just a matter of using a bit more nuance/ a more careful choice of words.

It says you're from Mali, which wikipedia tells me has French as the official language, but only 21% of the population speaks it. Still, I'm not going to have the meaning kept when translated to Bambara.

Russia is at times a "rival", but calling them an "enemy" is too much.

There is a difference between a competition and a war.   Il y a une différence entre une compétition et une guerre.

There is a difference between a competitor, and a enemy soldier.    Il y a une différence entre un concurrent et un soldat ennemi.

On 5/3/2019 at 5:55 PM, tater said:

Even entertaining the hoax idea demonstrates that the person in question is a low-grade moron.

Well, you can "entertain it" for the purpose of poking holes in it... like a proof by contradiction. Start with the assumption it was hoaxed (for the sake of argument), then derive what that would mean, show that its inconsistent with observations, reject the initial assumption.

Like a flat earther model where the Earth is a disk with the sun going in a circle over the disk... that would mean that either the sun's apparent angular velocity changes throughout the day, or it changes speed (slowing down as it gets overhead)... in which case it's angular velocity would could be constant only for 1 point on the earth's surface. Observing a constant angular velocity from 2 places on Earth (the angular velocity is constant whether I'm in costa rica, california, or switzerland) disproves that model, but it 100% consistent with a rotating globe

On 5/4/2019 at 10:38 PM, ZooNamedGames said:

There is nothing short of landing them on the moon themselves, that will change their mind. In their mind, NASA is a public enemy and considering them anything less than that, is unthinkable to a conspiracist.

Especially since nowadays they've evolved into flat earthism. So now you have to disprove the dome and how rockets can get thrust in space.

It's a messy rabbit hole with no end, no solution. There is no one fix cure.

I sort of miss the days when the argument was "U can't cross t3h VAN ALLEN RADIATION BELTS!!!!!!!1111oneoneone", or the wacky out there hoagland types that think they found aliens, and then faked the landings to cover up the aliens...

Devolving into flat-earth models as a reason they think the moon landings were faked is.... somehow worse to me.

 

[ZooNamedGames]

1 hour ago, KerikBalm said:

Its obvious that you're not a native english speaker, so I think this is just a matter of using a bit more nuance/ a more careful choice of words.

It says you're from Mali, which wikipedia tells me has French as the official language, but only 21% of the population speaks it. Still, I'm not going to have the meaning kept when translated to Bambara.

Russia is at times a "rival", but calling them an "enemy" is too much.

There is a difference between a competition and a war.   Il y a une différence entre une compétition et une guerre.

There is a difference between a competitor, and a enemy soldier.    Il y a une différence entre un concurrent et un soldat ennemi.

Well, you can "entertain it" for the purpose of poking holes in it... like a proof by contradiction. Start with the assumption it was hoaxed (for the sake of argument), then derive what that would mean, show that its inconsistent with observations, reject the initial assumption.

Like a flat earther model where the Earth is a disk with the sun going in a circle over the disk... that would mean that either the sun's apparent angular velocity changes throughout the day, or it changes speed (slowing down as it gets overhead)... in which case it's angular velocity would could be constant only for 1 point on the earth's surface. Observing a constant angular velocity from 2 places on Earth (the angular velocity is constant whether I'm in costa rica, california, or switzerland) disproves that model, but it 100% consistent with a rotating globe

I sort of miss the days when the argument was "U can't cross t3h VAN ALLEN RADIATION BELTS!!!!!!!1111oneoneone", or the wacky out there hoagland types that think they found aliens, and then faked the landings to cover up the aliens...

Devolving into flat-earth models as a reason they think the moon landings were faked is.... somehow worse to me.

 

Typically the flat earth model is believed more based on observation (can’t see a curve so no curve) and the moon landings are therefore impossible as a byproduct.

[magnemoe]

46 minutes ago, ZooNamedGames said:

Typically the flat earth model is believed more based on observation (can’t see a curve so no curve) and the moon landings are therefore impossible as a byproduct.

Except that you can in many cases , this is why most seafaring civilizations knew earth was round, only the ones who did not do much ocean traveling like the ancient Egyptians belived it to be flat. 
Just that the suns height is an standard way to finding your latitude is an obvious one. 

Pretty sure almost all of the flat earthers on the internet are trolls. Just trying to make sun measures at latitude make sense on an flat earth would be an interesting challenge.

The classical flat earth model has north pole at the center and no south pole just an edge. 
That would obviously increase the distances between Australia, South Africa and Argentina a lot, guessing more than double the distance between panama, Egypt and Indonesia while it in practice is shorter and is something people would notice over time trying to fly or sail between these places. 

[ZooNamedGames]

8 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

Except that you can in many cases , this is why most seafaring civilizations knew earth was round, only the ones who did not do much ocean traveling like the ancient Egyptians belived it to be flat. 
Just that the suns height is an standard way to finding your latitude is an obvious one. 

Pretty sure almost all of the flat earthers on the internet are trolls. Just trying to make sun measures at latitude make sense on an flat earth would be an interesting challenge.

The classical flat earth model has north pole at the center and no south pole just an edge. 
That would obviously increase the distances between Australia, South Africa and Argentina a lot, guessing more than double the distance between panama, Egypt and Indonesia while it in practice is shorter and is something people would notice over time trying to fly or sail between these places. 

Clearly you don’t watch much flat earth videos. They’ve launched GoPros to space via weather balloons and still don’t see it. Please don’t make me cite this claim, as it’ll mean filtering through FE videos.

[magnemoe]

16 minutes ago, ZooNamedGames said:

Clearly you don’t watch much flat earth videos. They’ve launched GoPros to space via weather balloons and still don’t see it. Please don’t make me cite this claim, as it’ll mean filtering through FE videos.

My list of watched flat earth movies is pretty empty and plan to stay that way

Flying between Australia and South Africa is better as it would be impossible long route and would require supersonic speed to reach in 11 hours. 
https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#flt=JNB.PER.2019-05-29.JNBPER0SA280*PER.JNB.2019-06-02.PERJNB0SA281;c:NOK;e:1;sd:1;t:b;sp:0.NOK.9219*0.NOK.9219
Now if an A340 had supersonic speed and an 30K km range while supersonic they would used that capability other places. 

Volvo ocean race is another fun one and one you can follow for free. 
Yes you might claim its very strong wind between south Africa and Australia and between New Zealand and the Magellan strait
had been fun if some calculated the distances on an flat earth map, and the optimal route then translated to an normal map. 

[DNKKING]

On 5/12/2019 at 12:16 PM, Codraroll said:

You're new to the Internet, aren't you?

No.

[ZooNamedGames]

On 5/13/2019 at 11:39 AM, magnemoe said:

My list of watched flat earth movies is pretty empty and plan to stay that way

Flying between Australia and South Africa is better as it would be impossible long route and would require supersonic speed to reach in 11 hours. 
https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#flt=JNB.PER.2019-05-29.JNBPER0SA280*PER.JNB.2019-06-02.PERJNB0SA281;c:NOK;e:1;sd:1;t:b;sp:0.NOK.9219*0.NOK.9219
Now if an A340 had supersonic speed and an 30K km range while supersonic they would used that capability other places. 

Volvo ocean race is another fun one and one you can follow for free. 
Yes you might claim its very strong wind between south Africa and Australia and between New Zealand and the Magellan strait
had been fun if some calculated the distances on an flat earth map, and the optimal route then translated to an normal map. 

It's easy to say it's XYZ for us roundies when you don't know half of what their claims are using as evidence or their conclusions and how they got to them. Especially since just outright dismissing their claims solves nothing in the long run, neither for us or for them.

 

[magnemoe]

3 hours ago, ZooNamedGames said:

It's easy to say it's XYZ for us roundies when you don't know half of what their claims are using as evidence or their conclusions and how they got to them. Especially since just outright dismissing their claims solves nothing in the long run, neither for us or for them.

 

yes I know, also +90% of flat earthers on internet is trolls. They claim the earth is flat simply as it get people to argue with them, so they will simply not engage in an dissuasion they will lose. 
 

 

[ZooNamedGames]

54 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

yes I know, also +90% of flat earthers on internet is trolls. They claim the earth is flat simply as it get people to argue with them, so they will simply not engage in an dissuasion they will lose.

Issue is there are plenty that aren't trolls. And assigning the rest of the community as 'trolls' advances nothing. If anything it proves science is above authority and perpetuates the problem. You can't solve anything with ignorance and dismissal. You have to address it or it will perpetuate.

Especially since flat earthers do not only subscribe to the notion of a flat Earth- but also are in vocal support of removing vaccination requirements for schools (ie anti-vaxx), are anti-medicine and promote any 'natural' alternatives. This is because they do not know any better, and ignoring them doesn't solve the problem. Since people who don't know any better will only hear their opinions and perspectives. Which only expands the problem further.

[KerikBalm]

14 hours ago, magnemoe said:

yes I know, also +90% of flat earthers on internet is trolls. They claim the earth is flat simply as it get people to argue with them, so they will simply not engage in an dissuasion they will lose.

I used to think they were all (or almost all) joking and doing it for the lulz... but there are a sizeable number that now seem to be seriously holding this viewpoint

[magnemoe]

15 hours ago, ZooNamedGames said:

Issue is there are plenty that aren't trolls. And assigning the rest of the community as 'trolls' advances nothing. If anything it proves science is above authority and perpetuates the problem. You can't solve anything with ignorance and dismissal. You have to address it or it will perpetuate.

Especially since flat earthers do not only subscribe to the notion of a flat Earth- but also are in vocal support of removing vaccination requirements for schools (ie anti-vaxx), are anti-medicine and promote any 'natural' alternatives. This is because they do not know any better, and ignoring them doesn't solve the problem. Since people who don't know any better will only hear their opinions and perspectives. Which only expands the problem further.

That is other beliefs, and believing the earth is flat dont give you much credibility in the others
And yes its stuff like bretharians , believing you do not need food or even water who is way more idiotic than flat earth and is far easier to prove being wrong. In short any bretharian has to be cheating 

 

[ZooNamedGames]

On 5/20/2019 at 7:02 AM, magnemoe said:

That is other beliefs, and believing the earth is flat dont give you much credibility in the others
And yes its stuff like bretharians , believing you do not need food or even water who is way more idiotic than flat earth and is far easier to prove being wrong. In short any bretharian has to be cheating

Credible or not- these are parents of the next generation. These are the people making decisions. Ignoring them merely allows them to teach more children, and for those children to accept it as truth and expand that thought process outward.

Ignorance or denial about them solves nothing.