Most efficient ways to conquer earth

[kerbiloid]

1 hour ago, Terwin said:

Why are you so fixated on mammals?

Not in the least. I accept any bags of meat.

1 hour ago, Terwin said:

Many lizards can 'switch gears' between a slow and efficient waddling walk and a fast energy-intensive sprinting run by rotating their legs to either be beside them(waddle) or under them(sprint).

A minor adaptation of the same line of models.

1 hour ago, Terwin said:

A fish skeleton looks nothing like a horse skeleton

That's exactly why I've brought as a sample mammals. Of course, a fish skeleton looks different.
 

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If you don't know their look and size, they look very close. just minor adapations of particular bones.

A cousin.

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They don't look same. They look close to average.

Sometimes there can be anomalies:

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and they can be numerous.

But as if you make in your head their average look, this is just a dull, gray

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or so.

Of average size, with no exotic skull, magnificent horns, with four limbs.

There are various kinds of dogs, looking absolutely differrent. But if you let them uncontrollably cross, very soon you will get a dull, average street dog.

And that's normal because a narrow specialization limits the ability of wide adaptation. So, special animals exist in special conditions, while the common design became common because it matches the widest set of conditions.
So, there can be as much exotics as they want, but an average design will stay as simple as possible, rat-looking, ferret-looking, lizard-looking, etc.

Their evolution can produce a six-legged ratlizard with for three eyes as a basic design, why not.
But we can be sure it will happen with much greater probability than if the basic design will be a horned elephant with butterfly wings and scorpion tail.

And the Earth complex life has probably the simplest possible mechanical scheme: four limbs, a stereo pair of eyes (even arthropodes have a pair of big ones, others are rudimentary) and ears, and so on.

So, I believe their basic design will probably be something such simple, too. Because physics.

Of course, a sapient species should be an active hunter/gatherer, otherwise it doesn't need intellect. Just there would be nothing to apply it to.
This makes much less probable tree-like designs and so on. It should be some kind of a rover, like we are.

1 hour ago, Terwin said:

A fish skeleton looks

Like a worm reinforced from inside, and they have appeared more or less simultaneously to the arthropodes, just from another major branch of worm-like creatures (not from the worms of course).

The arthropodes are just worm-like creatures reinforced from outside.

Molluscs are just worm-like creatures either not reinforced at all, or reinforced from outside with a shell.

Basically all of them are worm-like, are pipes with tentacles.
It's hard to invent something simpler than a pipe, getting chemicals into the input end, and exhausting produced chemicals from the output end. Usually (but not necessary) with a bunch of tentacles at the input end.

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Probably any complex life evolution shall start from a direct-flow pipe. I just can't imagine anything different, can you?

Some of the pipes are sitting, some pipes are floating, some pipes are even crawling on the bottom. Usually they have tentacles.

They evolve, change their shapes, grow and reduce inner organs, but this doesn't matter, they are simple pipes with tentacles.

They grow and start reinforcing their soft body with hard structures.

Some of them do this from outside. Here on the Earth we call them worms.
When they are enough big and wear a hard cover, they start getting segmented, Pure physics, nothing more. They need both flexibility and hardness at once, so it's the only way.
Their tentacles  are getting harder, too.
We get a pipe reinforced from outside and call it polychaete.

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May an extraterrestrial pipe have another chemistry, another set of organs, five heads in random places?
Why not. Sometimes.
But in average it will be a reinforced segmented one-way pipe with one head, like this one. Because of physics and logistics.
We may or may not call it "polychaete", it will not be offended, but its basic design will be same.

Some of these pipes will get bigger, their soft tentacles inside hard boots and gloves will get stronger, get spiltted and jointed like scissors.
Here on the Earth we call such worms arthropodes, particularly crustacea. Some of them become insects and other arthropodes (in our slang).
But all of them are just overgrown worms, pipes with tentacles, covered with ammo.

Another group of worms stay soft and sometimes grow a compact armor, a shell.
We call them molluscs.
But all of them are just overgrown worms, pipes with tentacles, covered with ammo.

Can this go other way on a nother planet? How? Any realistic alternative way to keep the ammo hard and flexible?

The outer ammo produces absolutely same physical problems with growth, with inner skeleton, and so on.

So, an extraterrestrial arthropode may have another chemistry, number of legs, particular equipment. But basically it will look not more different than various kinds of terrestrial arthropodes.
Just one more crab with four eyes and four jaws jaw legs.

Can they get bigger? No. Because of physics. They need breathing.

The same with extraterrestrial molluscs.

 

Some floating pipes with tentacles start reinforcing their sift bodies from inside.
So we get fishes.
Will an extraterrestrial fish differ? Well, it can have a sixpack of tentacles instead of jaws and a worm-like tail, but this doesn't matter. Just such strange, stupid fish.
(Especially in English with its crawfish, jellyfish, etc, lol).

Will it get to the land? Of course it should. Will it have 18 legs? Unlikely. Too much. Just four, maybe six.

Then see above the skeletons of the post-pipes called mammals.

So, an E.T. could be a hexapod Cthulhu with tentacles on head instead of jaws, but nothing really specific and unbelievable.

Edited June 10, 2019 by kerbiloid

[Pds314]

Several things:

1. Wrath of the whom? 80% of German war material was lost in fighting the Soviets. By D-day Germany would have needed a miracle to win even without Britain and America opening a second front. World War II was to a first degree approximation a German-Soviet war. That is why the death tolls for Germany and the USSR are like 8.8 and 27 million, respectively, while that for America and Britain and France were like 500,000 each.

2. They don't need to have godlike powers to reduce death among their human allies. Literally just offer them that you'll use your super advanced computing power and advanced AI to develop solutions to treat/cure aging. A disease that everyone has regardless of class, sex, or nationality, which threatens the survival and quality of life of the rulers just as much as that of working classes, regardless of the economic and political system of a country. A cure for aging is 90% the same thing as a cure for death, and would most definitely be worth a substantial cost in terms of collateral damage. Maybe even fighting the aliens' wars for them. Remember, human invaders often got the local population to do their job for them. Many of the most horrific acts in colonialism were committed with help from whichever locals would be willing to sacrifice a neighboring faction (or even their own poorer civilians) for wealth and power. Humans have not changed too especially much, so bribing one faction to do their bidding should be plenty possible for the aliens.

3. Also why are we assuming a large fraction would refuse to submit, when given the option of execution or goverment by aliens? For the most part rebels operate in secrecy or security. When the aliens have a blaster pointed to your head is not the time to start telling them you'll never bow down because you're a liberal/communist/nationalist/ancap/fascist/Sunni theocrat/anarchist/monarchist/etc. Most people, both potential revolutionaries and otherwise, are not gonna throw away their lives so that they can be out about their disapproval of the goverment. They will be much more tactical, like say learning about how to build a shaped charge IED and putting it next to an alien hovertank, from behind where its armor is likely thin, or distributing pseudonymous manifestos about popular revolt against the aliens.

Edited June 15, 2019 by Pds314

[DDE]

On 6/10/2019 at 5:56 PM, tater said:

Start a tech company, then control what everyone is allowed to see and hear?

That’s offensive to lizardmen.

 

[Starstruck69]

Target communication networks, power grid, food and water supplies, moral. When everybody has had enough negotiate. Repeat untill task is resolved. 

Of course all done in the name of democracy. We shall call this 'liberation'

Job done.

 

Pretty much the current blueprint for war in the 20 th century really..

[Spacescifi]

15 hours ago, Starstruck69 said:

Target communication networks, power grid, food and water supplies, moral. When everybody has had enough negotiate. Repeat untill task is resolved. 

Of course all done in the name of democracy. We shall call this 'liberation'

Job done.

 

Pretty much the current blueprint for war in the 20 th century really..

 

True, although fictional aliens may not even be democratic.

That said, there are an unlimited amount of ideals you could pick that they could bring upon us.

Such as truth. No more lies and deception among humans will be tolerated, as they do not tolerate it. Needless to say... such a takeover would not go peacefully.

[Starstruck69]

8 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

That said, there are an unlimited amount of ideals you could pick that they could bring upon us.

Such as truth. No more lies and deception among humans will be tolerated, as they do not tolerate it. Needless to say... such a takeover would not go peacefully.

Very true. We automatically think an alien intervention would bring negatives, but maybe as you suggest positives can come through too...

If we did away with lies i know for one my dog would be most pleased. She gets blamed for a whole host of things:) Bless her 

[Spacescifi]

1 hour ago, Starstruck69 said:

Very true. We automatically think an alien intervention would bring negatives, but maybe as you suggest positives can come through too...

If we did away with lies i know for one my dog would be most pleased. She gets blamed for a whole host of things:) Bless her 

LOL. Never did I even think of our pets!

The fictional aliens I tweaked in this case to be harmonic with observable facts. Nothing more or less. That is what they support, accept,and provide.

The result is in their society that they never lie, and never jump to conclusions.

This effects commerce, politics, and what views they have on religion.

Commerce: They won't share false advertising. They do target individuals rather than groups with ads though,  as privacy of personal info is not private to commerce unless one pays a large sum. They will go to great lengths. Even having agents marry people to get them to support their company. One out of ten people actually works undercover as an agent of commerce. Privacy advocates on Earth would cringe at how much personal info companies collect legally.

Politics: No more lies. They will omit saying stuff at times though. So to get a full view one would need to hear words of from both opposers and supporters, as neither lie.

Religion: They lack the massive religious past Earth has. Given that all life they have observed comes from life, they conclude so did they. Yet it does not go further than that. They do display a high curiosity about it with any race that does have such a background though. Occasionally individuals convert, although this is rare.

Individuals tend to speak in an objective manner, unless one asks their opinion and they give it. In fact, they do have theories about things, but they are not allowed to be actively promoted to the public, but the public can still access such information.

 

EDIT: fixed

 

Edited June 26, 2019 by Spacescifi
Speech and theoreticals. Privacy.

[Starstruck69]

46 minutes ago, Spacescifi said:

The fictional aliens I tweaked in this case to be harmonic with observable facts. Nothing more or less. That is what they support, accept,and provide.

The result is in their society that they never lie, and never jump to conclusions.

This effects commerce, politics, and what views they have on religion.

 Commerce: They won't share false advertising. They do target individuals rather than groups with ads though,  as privacy of personal info is not private to commerce unless one pays a large sum. They will go to great lengths. Even having agents marry people to get them to support their company. One out of ten people actually works undercover as an agent of commerce. Privacy advocates on Earth would cringe at how much personal info companies collect legally.

Politics: No more lies. They will omit saying stuff at times though. So to get a full view one would need to hear words of from both opposers and supporters, as neither lie.

Religion: They lack the massive religious past Earth has. Given that all life they have observed comes from life, they conclude so did they. Yet it does not go further than that. They do display a high curiosity about it with any race that does have such a background though. Occasionally individuals convert, although this is rare.

Individuals tend to speak in an objective manner, unless one asks their opinion and they give it. In fact, they do have theories about things, but they are not allowed to be actively promoted to the public, but the public can still access such information.

 

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This sounds like the blueprint for a great story. Sort of George Orwell themes in there

We could include a role for my dog a kind of '1984' vs 'Animal farm' spin off:))

[Spacescifi]

36 minutes ago, Starstruck69 said:

This sounds like the blueprint for a great story. Sort of George Orwell themes in there

We could include a role for my dog a kind of '1984' vs 'Animal farm' spin off:))

 

Ha. I never envisioned them quite so dark. As I was not playing on doing an invasion story. Besides, the facts would show that such a type of governance as 1984 would lead to civil unrest and mass rebellion.

They do not rely on cameras so much as they do agents to observe and report. Since agents do not lie, and can hear and think, they are far more valuable than recording devices when it comes to getting market info of consumers.

They could royally wreck earth companies if they ever put their companies to do business on earth. 

I did not mention it, but the fictional aliens are empaths. All they have to do is close their eyes and they can sense the emotions of all sapients around them within 10 feet radius. Some individuals have a empath radius of 30 feet, but that is rare.

Their main motive in seeking new life and civilizations is to seek credible answers about their own origins and also to profit.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Spacescifi
Business

[Terwin]

44 minutes ago, Spacescifi said:

Ha. I never envisioned them quite so dark. As I was not playing on doing an invasion story. Besides, the facts would show that such a type of governance as 1984 would lead to civil unrest and mass rebellion.

They do not rely on cameras so much as they do agents to observe and report. Since agents do not lie, and can hear and think, they are far more valuable than recording devices when it comes to getting market info of consumers.

They could royally wreck earth companies if they ever put their companies to do business on earth. 

I did not mention it, but the fictional aliens are empaths. All they have to do is close their eyes and they can sense the emotions of all sapients around them within 10 feet radius. Some individuals have a empath radius of 30 feet, but that is rare.

Their main motive in seeking new life and civilizations is to seek credible answers about their own origins and also to profit.

A strictly utilitarian society is usually both the reason and the cause for the dystopia: life is only worth what you get from it.

As such, a strictly utilitarian approach is very dystopian unless you stack the deck with artificially high values for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

Also, honesty/truthfulness has to do with facts, not opinions, so still plenty of room for conflict.

Science, and natural philosophy did not start with a lot of verified facts, and even many equations in use today are not the most accurate known descriptions, just useful approximations for the matter at hand.

Finally, without dreamers to inspire with 'what might be' (be it pure fantasy or science-fantasy) beyond what is currently known, science is without goals other than slow iterative improvement.

Without dreamers(which are incompatible with the race as described) you never have a reason to go to other worlds, but with dreamers, you have religion.

 

Your aliens actually sound a lot like Vulcans, but without the seething emotions under the surface, emotions that drive both their science and philosophy.

 

At one time, the truth was 'man cannot fly' and 'man cannot go to the moon', without someone to say 'what if', how would your aliens ever leave the ground?  (What-if is the realm of dreamers, and that in turn gives you philosophy, faith, and religion).

 

[Spacescifi]

43 minutes ago, Terwin said:

A strictly utilitarian society is usually both the reason and the cause for the dystopia: life is only worth what you get from it.

As such, a strictly utilitarian approach is very dystopian unless you stack the deck with artificially high values for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

Also, honesty/truthfulness has to do with facts, not opinions, so still plenty of room for conflict.

Science, and natural philosophy did not start with a lot of verified facts, and even many equations in use today are not the most accurate known descriptions, just useful approximations for the matter at hand.

Finally, without dreamers to inspire with 'what might be' (be it pure fantasy or science-fantasy) beyond what is currently known, science is without goals other than slow iterative improvement.

Without dreamers(which are incompatible with the race as described) you never have a reason to go to other worlds, but with dreamers, you have religion.

 

Your aliens actually sound a lot like Vulcans, but without the seething emotions under the surface, emotions that drive both their science and philosophy.

 

At one time, the truth was 'man cannot fly' and 'man cannot go to the moon', without someone to say 'what if', how would your aliens ever leave the ground?  (What-if is the realm of dreamers, and that in turn gives you philosophy, faith, and religion).

 

 

You are missing one vital point. They are'nt human.

Thus they do not require all the motives humans do for the actions they take. Only the ones I give. They are human enough to be relatable to the reader. I gave them motives and that is enough for me to construct upon. I guess you could say that their alien qualities compensate for any perceived weakenesses. Perhaps their curiousity is simply greater, driving them to make 'what if's' a reality more often than not? For profit and to find their origins. Since unlike humanity, they do not have a ton of answers that they actually put credence in. That is why they seek out new life and civilzations, apart from profit.

And you are right, they still have conflict. They are not a utopia.

They really are'nt like vulcans though. They can laugh and even make jokes.

And they still dream, they just look for ways to make it reality.

Note that theoretical info is freely open to the public and one can choose it as an elective study course. Yet any theories that are not fully in harmony with known and observed scientific experiments stay in textbooks and classes only.

One won't find them elsewhere often mentioned, and certainly not as a fact.

Funny thing is, both alien religions (since they really do not have a native one) and theoretical science are treated virtually the same. Aliens can take both as elective study courses in school.

Doubtful until proven otherwise, yet the search will continue. That is how they treat both 

Edited June 26, 2019 by Spacescifi
School courses. Religion.

[kerbiloid]

4 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

The result is in their society that they never lie

Easily hacked by providing your agents with incomplete information. They won't lie, they will tell a limited truth.

1 hour ago, Spacescifi said:

They can laugh and even make jokes.

Without a lie? Unlikely. Humor is just a reinterpretation of previously given information with more complete background.

While laughter is just a reflexive spasmatic action done by some mammals in situation of alarm recognized as false one. Kinda dog's or cat's yapping.

Edited June 26, 2019 by kerbiloid

[Spacescifi]

50 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

Easily hacked by providing your agents with incomplete information. They won't lie, they will tell a limited truth.

Without a lie? Unlikely. Humor is just a reinterpretation of previously given information with more complete background.

 

 

And therein lies how they can be deceptive. I was already going to do that. But given what they can do (empath ability) deceiving each other is not easy. Plus any reasonably smart alien will shop around to see what competitors say.

At any rate, navigating alien information would be a cakewalk compared to the maze of human information. Since at least with the aliens, it is ALL true.

Humor can be done fine without lies. Stories can still be told, they just preface them with, "Want to hear a joke?"

There is also stuff like this, I guess the main difference is that an alien kramer would say, "I hoped you would."

 

[kerbiloid]

31 minutes ago, Spacescifi said:

Plus any reasonably smart alien will shop around to see what competitors say.

If all of them follow the strategy of incomplete information, it will take a lot of time for the alien to get the whole picture. And probably he will stop analysing on any appropriate level.

31 minutes ago, Spacescifi said:

There is also stuff like this, I guess the main difference is that an alien kramer would say, "I hoped you would." 

And here we can see that almost every joke in this video is a "given limited info" → "misunderstanding the situation" → "feeling alarm" → "extending the picture description" → "realizing the misunderstanding" → "feeling of false alarm" → "spasmatic relaxation".

So, a humor is like a breathing with oxygen after short-term hypoxia, that's why an abstract "joke" causes the pure physiological spasmatic breathing reaction.
A joke is a intentional brief breath stop followed by a brief post-hypoxic euphoria.

The pure original humor is when a coconut has fallen on another ape's head.

Edited June 26, 2019 by kerbiloid

[Spacescifi]

31 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

If all of them follow the strategy of incomplete information, it will take a lot of time for the alien to get the whole picture. And probably he will stop analysing on any appropriate level.

And here we can see that almost every joke in this video is a "given limited info" → "misunderstanding the situation" → "feeling alarm" → "extending the picture description" → "realizing the misunderstanding" → "feeling of false alarm" → "spasmatic relaxation".

So, a humor is like a breathing with oxygen after short-term hypoxia, that's why an abstract "joke" causes the pure physiological spasmatic breathing reaction.
A joke is a intentional brief breath stop followed by a brief post-hypoxic euphoria.

The pure original humor is when a coconut has fallen on another ape's head.

 

Being empaths makes it easier. It's who you know not what you know.

 Being close or having a friend  of a friend can net an alien confidential information about products.

Or the legal way is to just fork over a hefty sum of cold, hard cash.

Illegal company info sharing can get one fined, but not arrested.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Spacescifi

[kerbiloid]

1 hour ago, Spacescifi said:

Being empaths makes it easier. It's who you know not what you know.

 Being close or having a friend  of a friend can net an alien confidential information about products.

Ideal people, complete information, and harmony are common in every utopia.
None still has succeeded.

1 hour ago, Spacescifi said:

Or the legal way is to just fork over a hefty sum of cold, hard cash.

Illegal company info sharing can get one fined, but not arrested.

Information is always incomplete itself, so they should just tune its incompleteness.

Edited June 26, 2019 by kerbiloid

[Spacescifi]

10 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

Ideal people, complete information, and harmony are common in every utopia.
None still has succeeded.

Information is always incomplete itself, so they should just tune its incompleteness.

 

I do not view them as an ideal. Their creation was inspired out of a desire to create a race that was not simply filling the lackluster role of villain. 

Furthermore they are just one of several races I am making.

The only reason I fleshed them out this much is because is a main character will be thos type of fictional alien.

And yes, she has her own distinct personality thrown in her with her alien side that accepts, supports, and provides harmony with facts.

This is not a utopian harmonic civilization. These ones have more in common with us.

They also do not need complete information per se.

Harmony with facts is their primary concern after all.

 

Edited June 26, 2019 by Spacescifi
Not utopia.

[Terwin]

7 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

The fictional aliens I tweaked in this case to be harmonic with observable facts. Nothing more or less. That is what they support, accept,and provide.

That means they have *NO* what-if's.  What-ifs are not true with regards to observable facts, they are pure speculation about what could be.

4 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

You are missing one vital point. They are'nt human.

Thus they do not require all the motives humans do for the actions they take. Only the ones I give. They are human enough to be relatable to the reader. I gave them motives and that is enough for me to construct upon. I guess you could say that their alien qualities compensate for any perceived weakenesses. Perhaps their curiousity is simply greater, driving them to make 'what if's' a reality more often than not? For profit and to find their origins. Since unlike humanity, they do not have a ton of answers that they actually put credence in. That is why they seek out new life and civilzations, apart from profit.

Dreams and what-if's are not 'harmonic with observable facts', if they have either of these, then your original description is not accurate.  Both dreams and what-ifs are lies, as they do not(yet) exist.  If they have either or both, then they are entirely able to describe and create direct falsehoods for both themselves and others.

Also, without theoretical science, you never develop an understanding of gravity beyond 'when you drop something it goes towards the ground',because anything more is originally based on theory.  The same with radio, radar, vacuum tubes, transistors, electronics, magnetism, radiation, nuclear physics, and most of the science we use every day.

 

Perhaps this dogma of only verified truth is a cultural phenomena that occurred after achieving space-flight, but once it becomes species-wide, they lose the theory and understanding of their own machines and are reduced to a 'pulling this lever makes it go' level of knowledge about their own technology.

There is a *lot* of modern science that can only be inferred and not directly observed, and if you don't understand the theory behind it, is just science-flavored magic to you.

[Spacescifi]

4 minutes ago, Terwin said:

That means they have *NO* what-if's.  What-ifs are not true with regards to observable facts, they are pure speculation about what could be.

Dreams and what-if's are not 'harmonic with observable facts', if they have either of these, then your original description is not accurate.  Both dreams and what-ifs are lies, as they do not(yet) exist.  If they have either or both, then they are entirely able to describe and create direct falsehoods for both themselves and others.

Also, without theoretical science, you never develop an understanding of gravity beyond 'when you drop something it goes towards the ground',because anything more is originally based on theory.  The same with radio, radar, vacuum tubes, transistors, electronics, magnetism, radiation, nuclear physics, and most of the science we use every day.

 

Perhaps this dogma of only verified truth is a cultural phenomena that occurred after achieving space-flight, but once it becomes species-wide, they lose the theory and understanding of their own machines and are reduced to a 'pulling this lever makes it go' level of knowledge about their own technology.

There is a *lot* of modern science that can only be inferred and not directly observed, and if you don't understand the theory behind it, is just science-flavored magic to you.

 

They are as I described them. You may take my words with more strict defintion than I actually do.

Either way, I won't have them mimic us anymore than what I desire from them.

[Guest]

The most efficient ways are the ones that should have done it millennia ago, the capability of modern humans has progressed so much that humanity is like an incurable disease. No outside attack with the aim of “conquering” earth (instead of just destroying it) will ever conquer humanity. You might be able to defeat the standing armies of Earth, sink the navies, level the cities... but I highly doubt you’ll ever get the people that are entrenched beneath mountains. Every nation has probably got multiple hardened (top secret) facilities underground, especially the ones with a history of conflict such as the US, Russia, China... they may have been intended as a last bastion of command and control against the threat of nuclear war but in the event of extraterrestrial conquest they would serve as the seed from which humanity would return like a weed, even after events that would make the surface uninhabitable to life.

Intelligent life is extremely dangerous! To go and pick a fight with a technologically advanced planet of beings would be supremely stupid. You’d never be sure you got them all and for the rest of time you’d have to live with that threat hanging over you! 

But I haven’t read most of the thread so I might change my mind once I see everyone’s ideas XD

Edited June 26, 2019 by Guest

[Guest]

On 6/2/2019 at 6:25 AM, Scotius said:

The best way to conquer Earth?

Come as friends

Share your superior science and technology with curious, impressionable humans. Help them eradicate hunger, diseases, pollution, overpopulation and most pressing social issues. Let them travel on your ships between your colonies, and settle in places they like. Insert data you provided into school curriculums across the world.

Be friendly, open and positive... and in a couple of generations you will have an entire species added to your empire's rooster without having to go to war at all

And then...?

[kerbiloid]

On 6/1/2019 at 11:25 PM, Scotius said:

Share your superior science and technology with curious, impressionable humans. Help them eradicate hunger, diseases, pollution, overpopulation and most pressing social issues. Let them travel on your ships between your colonies, and settle in places they like. Insert data you provided into school curriculums across the world.

Be friendly, open and positive... and in a couple of generations you will have an entire species added to your empire's rooster without having to go to war at all

Until they realize that you are degrading their ancient culture, and why at all do you have all this while they don't.

(Many examples in real history, since ellinistic times.)

Edited June 27, 2019 by kerbiloid

[Starstruck69]

The problem with truth is that it can be subjective. What may be true to subject A may not be true to subject B. We can see this in science, physics and such if we look back historically at how science, information has and can evolve. Lots of people in this world are it has to be said cold hard liers and may so do it for personal gain etc. There is no getting away from this fact.

There is of course also the situation where the truth is hidden from us and without intentially lieing sometimes mistruths are passed down generations from parents to children, teachers to pupils and so forth. Totally unintentional they believe it is the truth..

Truth is sometimes overated.

Edited June 27, 2019 by Starstruck69

[Terwin]

16 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

They are as I described them. You may take my words with more strict defintion than I actually do.

Either way, I won't have them mimic us anymore than what I desire from them.

Using inconsistent/impossible races in science fiction is a time-honored tradition, I was just pointing out a few of the more jarring impossibilities in the race you described so that you can either try to address them or try to keep them out of the spot-light to help readers maintain their suspension of disbelief.

[KerBlitz Kerman]

First you appear benevolent, make them like and appreciate you. Then you orchestrate something to say wipe out their food on exchange for the farmland. They can no longer grow crops, which you grow for them. They can't afford to attack you, so you gradually hire humans to go to the stars with you. Bam they get enslaved. Then you take over military centers and Gov't centers, orchestrate some news which while true leads them to not trust each other. This way you're not fighting several alliances, rather large amounts of individuals. Then you take over population centers and control the WORLD!!!

 

As aforementioned on this thread, give them say a vaccine, when it's really a temporary cure not a disease prevention device but make it so we literally can't duplicate it. This means we have to have them, but hate them.

Edit: Remove engineered virus from humans removed from homeworld and say inject them with a explosive device (which you implant in an area of the heart/brain to make it unremovable) so they can't run away. Also sterilize all who make it offworld

Edit 2: **** I'm out of 'reactions'.

Edited June 27, 2019 by KerBlitz Kerman