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On 2/15/2020 at 7:59 PM, dave1904 said:

I have done 30-40 landings atleast with the shuttle so far and never needed the steering. I do not think you should waste time on it since its works perfectly as it is. Sorry for long response but I like to get a good feeling of things before I give feedback.

Landing can be a bit to hard however. I have changed a few things in cfgs to make it a bit easier. I believe is the best overall way to have very high stability and good landing even with payload inside the payload bay. I know its a shuttle and it flys like a brick. Maybe I went to far but personally I like returning things with shuttles too. 

My cfg. I gave the Forward fusalage a buff in lift to 2.1 and increased the dry mass of aft to 3.0 tons. For testing I enter eve and have no problem keeping a 30 degree angle of attack. 

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What SSME is that on your first image? looks slightly different to the vanilla S3 KS-25 vector engine.

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50 minutes ago, The Space Man said:

 

What SSME is that on your first image? looks slightly different to the vanilla S3 KS-25 vector engine.

restock or restock plus I believe. I would recommend you install both anyway. 

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On 2/15/2020 at 9:59 PM, dave1904 said:

I have done 30-40 landings atleast with the shuttle so far and never needed the steering. I do not think you should waste time on it since its works perfectly as it is. Sorry for long response but I like to get a good feeling of things before I give feedback.

Landing can be a bit to hard however. I have changed a few things in cfgs to make it a bit easier. I believe is the best overall way to have very high stability and good landing even with payload inside the payload bay. I know its a shuttle and it flys like a brick. Maybe I went to far but personally I like returning things with shuttles too. 

My cfg. I gave the Forward fusalage a buff in lift to 2.1 and increased the dry mass of aft to 3.0 tons. For testing I enter eve and have no problem keeping a 30 degree angle of attack. 

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can you share the configs?

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Does anyone have any good suggestions for a mod to either hold the payload down in the bay, or make the arm able to connect to the same vessel? I ran into a bit of a snag when I tried arm operations.

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On 3/8/2020 at 10:55 PM, Fredde104 said:

I'd like to volunteer to add RPM and ASET props to improve the IVA, if there is interest. I've been playing around with IVAs for a few days and would like to take on an actual project

That’d be awesome. I always wanted to provide RPM comparability but just don’t have the time to embark on something like that. Let me know if you need anything from me.

59 minutes ago, Dragon01 said:

Does anyone have any good suggestions for a mod to either hold the payload down in the bay, or make the arm able to connect to the same vessel? I ran into a bit of a snag when I tried arm operations.

You can toggle same vessel interaction as of a couple of versions ago I think. Some people are having issues with the angle snap on the grapple fixture, so I’m intending to remove that next update - it seems to make things a bit too finicky docking the arm to payloads on the same vessel. If you remove those lines from the config you might have a big more luck.

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I actually put a rotor joint just before the end effector. :) Like on the real thing, so alignment shouldn't have been an issue. I'll try again, maybe I should have enabled interaction first, then maneuvered the arm into position. I'll play around with it some more. KSP can be rather finicky when it comes to docking, TBH, I didn't expect same vessel docking to work at all (then again, this thing is recent and I'm an oldtimer :) ). 

Perhaps the reason people have trouble with angle is that it's not indicated clearly that only one alignment is supported. Mentioning these peculiarities in part descriptions could go a long way.

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18 minutes ago, Dragon01 said:

I actually put a rotor joint just before the end effector. :) Like on the real thing, so alignment shouldn't have been an issue. I'll try again, maybe I should have enabled interaction first, then maneuvered the arm into position. I'll play around with it some more. KSP can be rather finicky when it comes to docking, TBH, I didn't expect same vessel docking to work at all (then again, this thing is recent and I'm an oldtimer :) ). 

Perhaps the reason people have trouble with angle is that it's not indicated clearly that only one alignment is supported. Mentioning these peculiarities in part descriptions could go a long way.

I’ve seen quite a few people have this issue but the ports definitely be at the correct angle, so I suspect the game just isn’t a fan of angle restrictions on same vessel docking in certain scenarios. I’d imagine it treats things slightly differently to a scenario with two separate vessels.

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It worked, just needed to set interactions before launch, and fiddle with it a bit.

However, there's another problem, namely docking it to the ODS. I tried everything, and then looked up the real solution...
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Notice how the ODS is separated from the crew module by a small airlock and a spacer. Are such parts planned? There was a whole system of these tunnels, also used for Spacelab and Spacehab. Even without those, 0.975m crew tubes are potentially useful in general, not only for offsetting the ODS (on some MIR missions it was in the middle of the payload bay).

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21 minutes ago, Dragon01 said:

It worked, just needed to set interactions before launch, and fiddle with it a bit.

However, there's another problem, namely docking it to the ODS. I tried everything, and then looked up the real solution...
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Notice how the ODS is separated from the crew module by a small airlock and a spacer. Are such parts planned? There was a whole system of these tunnels, also used for Spacelab and Spacehab. Even without those, 0.975m crew tubes are potentially useful in general, not only for offsetting the ODS (on some MIR missions it was in the middle of the payload bay).

Yup, a bunch of tunnel/airlock/adapter parts are planned along with other parts to make payload mounting easier. For now you might get serviceable results with a 1.25m crew tube offset into the cockpit. I appreciate it's not an ideal solution, but it's at least a workable solution until I get some time to model these parts. 

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That'll be handy. I'm in no hurry, I'm waiting for Nertea's 1.875m SSPX parts, anyway, to see if I can make Russian modules with actual thremal blankets out of it. This one was mostly because I couldn't wait to check out the arm. :) 

At least I can confirm that the arm is pretty great. It's a bit wobbly, but the real one moved really slowly, and it works well if you're not too ham-fisted with it. Looking forward to CanadArm 2, but I think I'm gonna get some mileage out of this one, too.

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the wings and arm keep offsetting or rotating, i asked for help in r/ksp discord and they said i should autostrut them, but they are already autostruted, so i will try autostruting them to root part, and see what happens, if the issue is fixed i will report here

(i am the one that tagged you for help)

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2 minutes ago, moguy16 said:

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the wings and arm keep offsetting or rotating, i asked for help in r/ksp discord and they said i should autostrut them, but they are already autostruted, so i will try autostruting them to root part, and see what happens, if the issue is fixed i will report here

(i am the one that tagged you for help)

Interesting - I've not encountered this. Under what circumstances does this happen? What other mods are installed?

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1 hour ago, benjee10 said:

Interesting - I've not encountered this. Under what circumstances does this happen? What other mods are installed?

i believe when i timewarp, but not too certain, as for mods i have a ton, here's are the mods that are in the LOG:
 

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ModuleManager v4.1.0.0
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USITools v1.0.0.0
MiniAVC v1.4.0.2
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MiniAVC v1.4.0.2
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Astrogator v0.10.0.0
Sigma88LoadingScreens v0.5.0.0
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BetterTimeWarp v2.3.12.5
BDB v1.4.3.0
MiniAVC v1.4.0.2
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MiniAVC v1.4.0.2
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MiniAVC v1.4.0.2
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scatterer v0.0.0.0
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Scale v2.4.3.10
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000_USITools
001_ToolbarControl
AirplanePlus
AnimatedDecouplers
AnyRes
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AstronomersVisualPack
B9PartSwitch
Benjee10_sharedAssets
Benjee10_shuttleOrbiter
BetterTimeWarp
Bluedog_DB
BonVoyage
Chatterer
Chrayol_Design_Org
CommunityCategoryKit
CommunityResourcePack
CommunityTechTree
CRE
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CryoTanks
CustomPreLaunchChecks
DeployableEngines
DE_IVAExtension
DistantObject
DMagicScienceAnimate
DnD_Alt
DynamicBatteryStorage
EasyVesselSwitch
EngineLightRelit
EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements
Firespitter
Flags
FMRS
Fuji
HabTech2
htRobotics
HullCameraVDS
InterstellarFuelSwitch
JanitorsCloset
JSI
KAS
KerbalEngineer
Kerbalism
KerbalismConfig
KerbalKonstructs
KerbalReusabilityExpansion
Kerbaltek
KIS
Knes
Kopernicus
kOS
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KS3P
KSCExtended
ksp-advanced-flybywire
KSTS
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LunaMultiplayer
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ModularFlightIntegrator
ModularLaunchPads
NavyFish
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NearFutureElectrical
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NearFutureProps
NearFutureSolar
NearFutureSpacecraft
NEBULA
Nereid
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OSSNTR
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Patches
Pebkac
PlanetaryBaseInc
PlanetShine
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PlumeParty
ProbeControlRoom
RCSBuildAid
RealPlume
RealPlume-Stock
reDIRECT
ReentryParticleEffect
RESCALE
ReStock
ReStockPlus
RetractableLiftingSurface
RoutineMissionManager
SCANsat
scatterer
ShipEffectsContinued
ShowFPS
Sigma
SmokeScreen
SpaceTuxLibrary
Stock folder: Squad

Stock folder: SquadExpansion

StageRecovery
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StationPartsExpansionMetal
StationPartsExpansionRedux
Tantares
TantaresLV
TextureReplacer
Trajectories
TriggerTech
TundraExploration
TundraSpaceCenter
TundraTechnologies
TURD
TweakScale
UltimateShuttleIVA
UmbraSpaceIndustries
UniversalStorage2
VesselView
WorldStabilizer
X-20-Moroz
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999_Scale_Redist.dll
CFKKS_VIS.cfg
CryoEnginesRestock.cfg
CryoEnginesRestockMH.cfg
CryoEnginesRestockPlus.cfg
Firespitter.dll
Hyperspace.dll
KSPModFileLocalizer.dll
Licence.pdf
LMP Readme.txt
MMREADME.md
mods for creative.zip
ModuleManager.4.1.0.dll
ModuleManager.4.1.3.dll
ModuleManager.ConfigCache
ModuleManager.ConfigSHA
ModuleManager.Physics
ModuleManager.TechTree
S.A.V.E.dat
solarpanel.cfg

on a happier note, i managed to find out that my most efficient launch with the shuttle was when aiming at around 60 degrees by the time your apo. reaches your target altitude then flattening it out, this should happen around a couple mins after BECO

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On 3/11/2020 at 11:14 PM, moguy16 said:

@benjee10

i had more problems with loading quicksaves
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(notice the O-rings without SRBs)

can you pls see what is causing this? do you want the log?

I think the log is always needed in this situation
If you post it I can try to simulate the error too
By the way which mod are you using for that "DANGER" warning?

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11 hours ago, GrTaiyaki said:

I think the log is always needed in this situation
If you post it I can try to simulate the error too
By the way which mod are you using for that "DANGER" warning?

the log is long gone now, but when i asked at the discord server no one was able to get anything from the log

the danger warning is from kerbalism this is unrelated to the problem

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