[New] Space Launch System / Orion Discussion Thread

[SunlitZelkova]

12 minutes ago, darthvader15001 said:

NASA was the star of the show in the 60s but now they just suck.

I disagree. They killed three astronauts because of a lack of contractor oversight.

Artemis is better than Apollo. So far 0 people have died. Apollo can not say the same.

[Beccab]

Well, see you all on Friday if all goes right!

[tater]

15 minutes ago, darthvader15001 said:

NASA was the star of the show in the 60s but now they just suck.

No they don't.

First launches of everything are like this.

Go out to this forum, and look up the different launch providers, pick some of the new ones. Rocket Lab, Astra, Firefly, etc. Find their first launch if you can. Issues, scrubs, try again are common.

Yes, this should have happened years ago, but the delays just mean that we're watching this sort of stuff happen in 2022, not that they are worse about it.

8 minutes ago, Beccab said:

Well, see you all on Friday if all goes right!

Hope Friday works out, cause the 5th might be kinda meh weather wise (though the low might pull all the crud offshore, so maybe it helps?)

[Beccab]

8 minutes ago, tater said:

No they don't.

First launches of everything are like this.

Go out to this forum, and look up the different launch providers, pick some of the new ones. Rocket Lab, Astra, Firefly, etc. Find their first launch if you can. Issues, scrubs, try again are common.

Yes, this should have happened years ago, but the delays just mean that we're watching this sort of stuff happen in 2022, not that they are worse about it.

Hope Friday works out, cause the 5th might be kinda meh weather wise (though the low might pull all the crud offshore, so maybe it helps?)

Even more important is that they find out how to fix engine #3 on the pad - returning to the VAB would mean extending the delay to two months

Edited August 29, 2022 by Beccab

[Beccab]

Likely last update for today, except maybe when detanking operations are complete

 

[RCgothic]

How am I not surprised that something that should have been WDR tested but wasn't tripped up the first launch attempt.

[DDE]

https://t.me/space78125/1246

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On the desktop of every admin of a space-related group:

• Memes in case Artemis fails
• Memes in case Artemis scrubs
• Memes in case Artemis launches
• How to ask for seat in Chinese spaceship.txt

 

[Beccab]

7 minutes ago, DDE said:

https://t.me/space78125/1246

 

Well, while we're here...

[darthvader15001]

[RCgothic]

It's also alarming the tail mast leak is still present. Come on, there's been 2 months to fix that.

[StrandedonEarth]

1 hour ago, RCgothic said:

It's also alarming the tail mast leak is still present. Come on, there's been 2 months to fix that.

Those hydrogen molecules are sneaky little buggers…

[Beccab]

News conference on the scrub in an hour, I doubt there's going to be much new info though

[tater]

Ouch. He's not wrong.

[Beccab]

Looks like there was also another issue with SLS on top of #3

[Beccab]

 

[Beccab]

 

[darthvader15001]

7 hours ago, Beccab said:

Well, see you all on Friday if all goes right!

Maybe we could do the updates together, cuz you did it first and then I took over?

[Minmus Taster]

4 hours ago, Beccab said:

 

Forecast is always wonky when it's days in advance so maybe it'll work out.

But assuming they use up they're attempts when will it next be possible to launch next?

[Superluminal Gremlin]

When will SLS launch

What time, thats the most important thing for me.

[Entropian]

17 minutes ago, Minmus Taster said:

Forecast is always wonky when it's days in advance so maybe it'll work out.

I'm in FL right now for the launch and the weather is incredibly inconsistent.  The Starlink launch on the 27th (I think) was really close, there was a gap in the clouds right as they launched with thunderstorms all around.  It's insane how much it had changed from just a few hours prior.  Standard Florida weather as far as I can tell xD

Edited August 29, 2022 by Entropian

[tater]

22 minutes ago, TKMK said:

When will SLS launch

What time, thats the most important thing for me.

The post a couple up tells you.

12:48-2:48 Friday.

[Beccab]

5 hours ago, Minmus Taster said:

Forecast is always wonky when it's days in advance so maybe it'll work out.

But assuming they use up they're attempts when will it next be possible to launch next?

The next launch period after September 5 is in late September (all roughly 28 days apart because you know, moon), but the time it takes to roll back SLS, reset the FTS on it and roll out again to the pad means that it would almost certainly miss that launch period even if it rolled back tomorrow according to NASA. We're looking at roughly halloween if September 2 and 5 are wasted

Edited August 30, 2022 by Beccab

[intelliCom]

1 hour ago, Beccab said:

The next launch period after September 5 is in late September (all roughly 28 days apart because you know, moon), but the time it takes to roll back SLS, reset the FTS on it and roll out again to the pad means that it would almost certainly miss that launch period even if it rolled back tomorrow according to NASA. We're looking at roughly halloween if September 2 and 5 are wasted

Well, if that happens, SpaceX's Starship will likely demonstrate the true advantage of private industry, and NASA might go from being a rocket-launching company to exclusively being a 'space study' company. They'd still make probes and rovers, since those work beautifully thanks to JPL's decent team, but say goodbye to the days of Saturns and Shuttles. At least ULA is doing amazingly, but they're unfortunately a mostly military-focused launch provider to my knowledge. They probably wouldn't have much interest in supporting Artemis, especially given how none of their rockets have the kind of payload capacity that SLS theoretically has.

Edited August 30, 2022 by intelliCom

[magnemoe]

20 hours ago, tater said:

No they don't.

First launches of everything are like this.

Go out to this forum, and look up the different launch providers, pick some of the new ones. Rocket Lab, Astra, Firefly, etc. Find their first launch if you can. Issues, scrubs, try again are common.

Yes, this should have happened years ago, but the delays just mean that we're watching this sort of stuff happen in 2022, not that they are worse about it.

Yes, even changes create problems, remember how often SpaceX had to scrub then they stated using supercooled propellant. 
Starship has also had issues even for the small hops. 

Edited August 30, 2022 by magnemoe

[Beccab]

21 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

Yes, even changes create problems, remember how often SpaceX had to scrub then they stated using supercooled propellant. 
Starship has also had issues even for the small hops. 

Agreed, my main problem with it, unless it does miss this launch period which I really hope it won't, is how NASA managed expectations. They skipped completing a WDR (they still haven't, even after yesterday's scrub), then continued being very confident in yesterday's launch attempt publicly when most people were already saying it was likely not going to launch