JoeSchmuckatelli Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, GoldForest said: Everything shown since the 1st is in game and everything that will be shown will be in game. Confirmed. Source/Proof Thanks - completely missed that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, The Aziz said: I think I see a docking port just behind the solar arrays, why else would there be such shape and change in diameter. 8 minutes ago, GoldForest said: After looking at the images, yeah, there does seem to be docking ports. Not only that, comparing their size to the spaceplanes' Mk2 parts, they appear to be 3.75m docking ports (!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephensan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 13 hours ago, Ashandalar said: Some new images from the Discord screenshots channel: Hide contents looks fairly close of what was shown before, just dropped heavily in res and brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, RealKerbal3x said: Not only that, comparing their size to the spaceplanes' Mk2 parts, they appear to be 3.75m docking ports (!) Its 3.75 meter, the cockpit is also 3.75 m and seen in the VAB shots. Reminds me of expanded Gemini plan. The two pilot seats and more rom below. And having the ship as two parts also match up with the two monopropellant tanks and their own sets of RSC thrusters. In addition to making it easier to launch It also let you reuse the population module for other payloads, perhaps leaving the hab module as an space station around Duna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Am I the only one who noticed the light on Ike is reflecting at a weird angle? Or that it almost looks like that craft is rotating? Also let me get this straight; I'm gonna be able to make near-future nuclear spacecraft like that from DAY 1?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aziz Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't be surprised if there were 5m and larger docking ports. 6 minutes ago, Minmus Taster said: Also let me get this straight; I'm gonna be able to make near-future nuclear spacecraft like that from DAY 1?!?! You wouldn't if Progression mode was in place, but since all we're getting at EA launch is sandbox, yes. It appears we're only not getting update-specific parts. So no Daedalus engines or anything that's needed for interstellar travel, no colony/orbital construction parts, no sciencey-related parts. Edited January 24, 2023 by The Aziz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, The Aziz said: It appears we're only not getting update-specific parts. So no Daedalus engines or anything that's needed for interstellar travel, no colony/orbital construction parts, no sciencey-related parts. If that's the case, I wonder if any of the interplanetary 'torch drive' engines will be included at EA launch? They're not enough for interstellar travel, and we know we're getting the non-impulsive maneuver planner out of the box, but given that some of them do use rather exotic propellants (particularly the metallic hydrogen engine), I wouldn't be surprised if they'll have to wait until resource management arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Aziz said: I wouldn't be surprised if there were 5m and larger docking ports. You wouldn't if Progression mode was in place, but since all we're getting at EA launch is sandbox, yes. It appears we're only not getting update-specific parts. So no Daedalus engines or anything that's needed for interstellar travel, no colony/orbital construction parts, no sciencey-related parts. I pretty sure we get the even higher performance metallic hydrogen engines, not sure about pulse nuclear orion but hope so. 1 minute ago, RealKerbal3x said: If that's the case, I wonder if any of the interplanetary 'torch drive' engines will be included at EA launch? They're not enough for interstellar travel, and we know we're getting the non-impulsive maneuver planner out of the box, but given that some of them do use rather exotic propellants (particularly the metallic hydrogen engine), I wouldn't be surprised if they'll have to wait until resource management arrives. I say they would be useful Now that might disappoint people a bit as you get spoiled in sandbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aziz Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) I think both nuclear pulse and torch drive engines belong in the "way too useful" category (Unless the Orion lies at the very end of Nuclear Engines section), but it was said that whatever is there, is about to come at later date. About MH, it was shown in some of EA footage (episode 6), buut I'd take that with a payload of salt. It is neither Methalox or nuclear, and the way it is described, it should be super extra efficient. Edited January 24, 2023 by The Aziz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tstein Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Aziz said: I think both nuclear pulse and torch drive engines belong in the "way too useful" category (Unless the Orion lies at the very end of Nuclear Engines section), but it was said that whatever is there, is about to come at later date. About MH, it was shown in some of EA footage (episode 6), buut I'd take that with a payload of salt. It is neither Methalox or nuclear, and the way it is described, it should be super extra efficient. Not necessarily... an orion engine has the obvious drawback of being absurdly large.So it is completely useless for sending probes, make a lander, require by itself a large mission so it is like killing an ant with a cannon.. I have no clue how big they will make torch ones although. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, tstein said: Not necessarily... an orion engine has the obvious drawback of being absurdly large.So it is completely useless for sending probes, make a lander, require by itself a large mission so it is like killing an ant with a cannon.. I have no clue how big they will make torch ones although. Firstly, not with that attitude you won't! Secondly, the Torch engine we've seen was about 3.75m I believe. Or 2.5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu225 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, tstein said: Not necessarily... an orion engine has the obvious drawback of being absurdly large.So it is completely useless for sending probes, make a lander, require by itself a large mission so it is like killing an ant with a cannon.. I have no clue how big they will make torch ones although. You just need to balance how far you want to walk from your lander to the colony vs contaminating the colony. And the last nuke you send out of that orion drive should be well timed. Also I mentioned it before, Kerbals can have glasses now, so sunglasses are a good idea for most kerbals for some atomic mushroom gazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tstein Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, GoldForest said: Firstly, not with that attitude you won't! Secondly, the Torch engine we've seen was about 3.75m I believe. Or 2.5m. Just be realistic.. you are landing on an ice moon to take samples and you try to touch down smoothly with an engine that uses NUKES.... does nto seems a good place to make experiments afterwards:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aziz Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) We've seen at least 3 sizes of the Orion. Yes they're probably heavy, but they will most likely be used for hauling heavy cargo, not just some simple probes. It's where even old NERVs fall short I guess. Also, you can make a lander with it, just use different engines for approach/liftoff. Even better, because you get a wide base to stand on, no landing legs required Come on, it's KSP, be creative. Edited January 24, 2023 by The Aziz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, tstein said: Just be realistic.. you are landing on an ice moon to take samples and you try to touch down smoothly with an engine that uses NUKES.... does nto seems a good place to make experiments afterwards:P The real Orion would be able to select the yield of the bombs or have several different yields for different situations. Besides, it's got a giant hydraulic piston to cushion the landing, it's literally meant to take several 100 m/s impact speeds! As for sample, well, your kerbals are going have to walk a few miles to get outside the radiation zone. SO probably best to land outside of the place you want to take your samples. 2 minutes ago, The Aziz said: We've seen at least 3 sizes of the Orion. Yes they're probably heavy, but they will most likely be used for hauling heavy cargo, not just some simple probes. It's where even old NERVs fall short I guess. Also, you can make a lander with it, just use different engines for approach/liftoff. Even better, because you get a wide base to stand on, no landing legs required Selectable yield, piston, the Orion is already a good lander, no need for chemical engines. Edited January 24, 2023 by GoldForest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu225 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, GoldForest said: Besides, it's got a giant hydraulic piston to cushion the landing, it's literally meant to take several 100 m/s impact speeds! Oh damn! I never thought about that aspect. The "gamefied" crash tolerance should be really high for that matter at least on the plate. Lithobraking confirmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, Snafu225 said: Oh damn! I never thought about that aspect. The "gamefied" crash tolerance should be really high for that matter at least on the plate. Lithobraking confirmed? Orion, the only rocket that can Lithobrake and not RUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, GoldForest said: The real Orion would be able to select the yield of the bombs or have several different yields for different situations. Besides, it's got a giant hydraulic piston to cushion the landing, it's literally meant to take several 100 m/s impact speeds! As for sample, well, your kerbals are going have to walk a few miles to get outside the radiation zone. SO probably best to land outside of the place you want to take your samples. Selectable yield, piston, the Orion is already a good lander, no need for chemical engines. I always has secondary engines on my Orion ships, nice for adjusting trajectories and orbits or operate near other ships. Also do not fire now. Edited January 24, 2023 by magnemoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, magnemoe said: I always has secondary engines on my Orion ships, nice for adjusting trajectories and orbits or operate near other ships. Also do not fire now. Okay, secondary engines for fine tuning trajectories is acceptable. But not using them for landing. You land by nuke, or don't land at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu225 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, GoldForest said: Okay, secondary engines for fine tuning trajectories is acceptable. But not using them for landing. You land by nuke, or don't land at all. 3 minutes ago, magnemoe said: I always has secondary engines on my Orion ships, nice for adjusting trajectories and orbits or operate near other ships. I'm already planning on using 3 to 4 smaller orion drives as landing legs and landing engines for one big orion drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephensan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 52 minutes ago, tstein said: Not necessarily... an orion engine has the obvious drawback of being absurdly large.So it is completely useless for sending probes, make a lander, require by itself a large mission so it is like killing an ant with a cannon.. I have no clue how big they will make torch ones although. jokes on you, i WILL make a video using the orion drive to make a probe orbit around the mun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXIndestructibleEVAXx Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I can already see all the "Orion only to x" videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicTech Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, The Aziz said: I think both nuclear pulse and torch drive engines belong in the "way too useful" category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephensan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, Snafu225 said: Oh damn! I never thought about that aspect. The "gamefied" crash tolerance should be really high for that matter at least on the plate. Lithobraking confirmed? ground breaking, forget lithobraking i really would love to see "crash craters", skids etc sprites etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephensan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, xXIndestructibleEVAXx said: I can already see all the "Orion only to x" videos i think the hardest one will be (modded) is kerbin to kerbin launchpad due to them saying you cannot build huge "ships" on the launch pad Edited January 24, 2023 by Stephensan Grammarly'ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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