[1.3.1] Ferram Aerospace Research: v0.15.9.1 "Liepmann" 4/2/18

thorfinn · September 9, 2014

On the other hand, we still can't go past the Moon in real life, and in this game we want to go to Jool without losing too many hairs

forsaken1111 · September 9, 2014

On the other hand, we still can't go past the Moon in real life, and in this game we want to go to Jool without losing too many hairs

We can absolutely go past the moon in real life. We do not because of budget and safety concerns. We've sent unmanned probes everywhere in the solar system. There are sound plans to send people to mars and beyond, the primary constraint is money.

Wanderfound · September 9, 2014

We can absolutely go past the moon in real life. We do not because of budget and safety concerns. We've sent unmanned probes everywhere in the solar system. There are sound plans to send people to mars and beyond, the primary constraint is money.

...and pointlessness. We can send a thousand rovers for the cost of one manned mission, achieving vastly greater scientific output.

The less white elephant footprints and flags daftness, the better. All that the Bush-era Mars nonsense achieved was to kill off a bunch of desperately needed climate monitoring satellite projects, along with a great deal of other genuine science.

forsaken1111 · September 9, 2014

...and pointlessness. We can send a thousand rovers for the cost of one manned mission, achieving vastly greater scientific output.
The less white elephant footprints and flags daftness, the better. All that the Bush-era Mars nonsense achieved was to kill off a bunch of desperately needed climate monitoring satellite projects, along with a great deal of other genuine science.

I think we've wandered off topic. I could debate the merits of manned space exploration all day but this isn't the forum for that.(NPI)

Wanderfound · September 9, 2014

I think we've wandered off topic. I could debate the merits of manned space exploration all day but this isn't the forum for that.(NPI)

We have indeed.

Sorry, Ferram.

Surefoot · September 9, 2014

@Surefoot: I'll need to see the output_log.txt. Did this fly in FAR previously, or only in stock aero?

Hi Yes this kind of design used to fly without any effort using former versions of FAR (in v0.23.x). I'm not saying this one in particular is perfect, i'd certainly need to adjust control surfaces and so on, but taking off and doing a quick subsonic jet powered flight used to be easy with such a simple and light design and 2 powerful turbojets.

Now at best i feel i have a huge ass cargo at full load barely making it after the ski jump even with flaps, slats, everything at full deflection, full thrust... Then forget about doing anything else than straight line, even a simple turn will rip everything off. Almost like i'm flying in some thick soup ...??? Also trying to just pull up the nose will bring a lot of roll in either direction, sometimes oscillating !

I never used stock aero for planes, never made any sense to me.

I reduced the mod list to: B9 (latest, goes with MM 2.3.5), FAR, KJR, pwings. Still happening, using 32 bit version. Almost all my aero surfaces are pwings, tail fins are B9 stock. Design is pretty much like F15 (for my latest test in the log below).

Here is a log:

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Aerojet B9 Vector loaded!

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MK2 Nosecone - Sensor Package: Geometry model created; Size: [1.25000023841858, 1.72000002861023, 1.25000047683716], LD [1.25000023841858, 1.25000047683716, 0], UD [0.491402089595795, 0.4270880818367, 0]

Surface area: 4.6179875948878

Fineness Ratio: 1.37599962921153

TaperRatio: 0.36739596346017

Cross Sectional Area: 1.22718533250928

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 1.06154010916808

Major-minor axis ratio: 0.999999809265209

Centroid: [-1.78813934326172E-07, 0.112865756774857, 1.78813934326172E-07]

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Part: MK2 Nosecone - Sensor Package Transforms: 5

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Part: MK2 5m Fuselage Universal Transforms: 7

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MK2 5m Fuselage Universal: Geometry model created; Size: [2.42284417152405, 5.00000047683716, 1.49423933029175], LD [2.42284345626831, 1.49423861503601, 0], UD [2.42284345626831, 1.4942387342453, 0]

Surface area: 30.7646940488782

Fineness Ratio: 2.55292003579672

TaperRatio: 1.00000003043319

Cross Sectional Area: 2.84338408057566

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 1.83371848552994E-07

Major-minor axis ratio: 1.62145656482686

Centroid: [0, 1.83192350178274E-08, -0.244238317012787]

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Part: MK2 5m Fuselage Universal Transforms: 7

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Part: MK2 5m Fuselage Universal Transforms: 7

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MK2 5m Fuselage Universal: Geometry model created; Size: [2.42284417152405, 5.00000047683716, 1.49423933029175], LD [2.42284345626831, 1.49423861503601, 0], UD [2.42284345626831, 1.4942387342453, 0]

Surface area: 30.7646940488782

Fineness Ratio: 2.55292003579672

TaperRatio: 1.00000003043319

Cross Sectional Area: 2.84338408057566

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 1.83371848552994E-07

Major-minor axis ratio: 1.62145656482686

Centroid: [0, 2.5673781411939E-07, -0.244238197803497]

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Part: MK2 5m Fuselage Universal Transforms: 7

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Part: MK2 Fuselage Bicoupler Transforms: 6

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MK2 Fuselage Bicoupler: Geometry model created; Size: [2.65000057220459, 3.02500057220459, 1.49423837661743], LD [2.65000057220459, 1.25000047683716, 0], UD [2.42284440994263, 1.49423837661743, 0]

Surface area: 18.5720614580702

Fineness Ratio: 1.45985818364283

TaperRatio: 1.00437993151887

Cross Sectional Area: 3.10996667470761

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0.0262184313216082

Major-minor axis ratio: 1.77347912734212

Centroid: [-3.57627868652344E-07, -0.00206634849850618, -0.24423760175705]

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Part: MK2 Fuselage Bicoupler Transforms: 6

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N1 Small Omni Light: Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: N1 Small Omni Light Transforms: 5

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N1 Small Omni Light: Geometry model created; Size: [0.0700000002980232, 0.100000008940697, 0.0250000059604645], LD [0.0700000002980232, 0.0250000059604645, 0], UD [0.0700000002980232, 0.0250000059604645, 0]

Surface area: 0.0149225674218138

Fineness Ratio: 2.10526320742768

TaperRatio: 1

Cross Sectional Area: 0.00137444711949086

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0

Major-minor axis ratio: 2.79999934434906

Centroid: [-7.45058059692383E-09, 7.41332769386982E-07, -0.024999969150505]

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N1 Small Omni Light: Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: N1 Small Omni Light Transforms: 5

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N1 Small Omni Light: Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: N1 Small Omni Light Transforms: 5

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N1 Small Omni Light: Geometry model created; Size: [0.070000022649765, 0.100000023841858, 0.0250000171363354], LD [0.070000022649765, 0.0250000171363354, 0], UD [0.070000022649765, 0.0250000171363354, 0]

Surface area: 0.0149225749119558

Fineness Ratio: 2.10526277814231

TaperRatio: 1

Cross Sectional Area: 0.00137444817279218

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0

Major-minor axis ratio: 2.79999898672173

Centroid: [-3.72529029846191E-09, 4.43309545530846E-07, -0.024999984332176]

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N1 Small Omni Light: Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: N1 Small Omni Light Transforms: 5

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Part: F119 Turbofan Engine Transforms: 23

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F119 Turbofan Engine: Geometry model created; Size: [1.25000071525574, 2.50000071525574, 1.25818824768066], LD [1.25000023841858, 0.0500002428889275, 0], UD [1.25000035762787, 1.25000047683716, 0]

Surface area: 7.46128727047989

Fineness Ratio: 1.99347078884274

TaperRatio: 1.92307685297977

Cross Sectional Area: 1.23522413047132

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0.895354479795586

Major-minor axis ratio: 0.993492601413167

Centroid: [-2.38418579101563E-07, -0.608725892997237, -1.59144401550293E-05]

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Part: F119 Turbofan Engine Transforms: 23

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Part: F119 Turbofan Engine Transforms: 23

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F119 Turbofan Engine: Geometry model created; Size: [1.25000071525574, 2.50000095367432, 1.25818824768066], LD [1.25000023841858, 0.0500002428889275, 0], UD [1.25000035762787, 1.25000047683716, 0]

Surface area: 7.46128798204349

Fineness Ratio: 1.99347097895487

TaperRatio: 1.92307685297977

Cross Sectional Area: 1.23522413047132

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0.895354479795586

Major-minor axis ratio: 0.993492601413167

Centroid: [-1.19209289550781E-07, -0.608725760314991, -1.60336494445801E-05]

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Part: F119 Turbofan Engine Transforms: 23

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Geometry model created; Size: [0.725000262260437, 2.25000095367432, 1.97182810306549], LD [0.381249845027924, 1.9718279838562, 0], UD [0.725000202655792, 0.615178942680359, 0]

Surface area: 6.52652656644309

Fineness Ratio: 1.66862747559568

TaperRatio: 0.569543059258558

Cross Sectional Area: 1.12278627990017

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0.734523040589783

Major-minor axis ratio: 0.367679241985303

Centroid: [3.87430191040039E-07, 0.621943775488178, 1.59147153794765]

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Geometry model created; Size: [0.724999904632568, 2.25, 1.97182738780975], LD [0.381249904632568, 1.9718269109726, 0], UD [0.724999904632568, 0.615178823471069, 0]

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Fineness Ratio: 1.66862743217222

TaperRatio: 0.569543127200873

Cross Sectional Area: 1.12278531877622

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0.734522323852101

Major-minor axis ratio: 0.367679193987602

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Geometry model created; Size: [0.725000023841858, 2.25000071525574, 1.97182750701904], LD [0.381249636411667, 1.97182726860046, 0], UD [0.725000023841858, 0.615178823471069, 0]

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Fineness Ratio: 1.66862781509611

TaperRatio: 0.56954315622167

Cross Sectional Area: 1.12278557127142

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Major-minor axis ratio: 0.367679232215344

Centroid: [2.98023223876953E-08, 0.621943427238862, 1.59146970510483]

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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Part: MK2 Cockpit Transforms: 7

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MK2 Cockpit: Geometry model created; Size: [2.42284345626831, 2.9999988079071, 1.6128261089325], LD [2.42284345626831, 1.59336519241333, 0], UD [1.25000023841858, 1.36133623123169, 0]

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Fineness Ratio: 1.48674154780947

TaperRatio: 0.650199403984518

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Major-minor axis ratio: 1.50223476842891

Centroid: [-3.57627868652344E-07, -0.217929507039568, -0.362825691699982]

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Geometry model created; Size: [0.725000262260437, 2.25000095367432, 1.97182810306549], LD [0.381249368190765, 1.9718279838562, 0], UD [0.725000202655792, 0.615178942680359, 0]

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Fineness Ratio: 1.66862747559568

TaperRatio: 0.569543174673079

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Major-minor axis ratio: 0.367679241985303

Centroid: [3.87430191040039E-07, 0.621943788474546, 1.59147153794765]

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Geometry model created; Size: [0.724999904632568, 2.25, 1.97182655334473], LD [0.381250143051147, 1.97182607650757, 0], UD [0.724999904632568, 0.615178823471069, 0]

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Fineness Ratio: 1.66862794848696

TaperRatio: 0.56954327146911

Cross Sectional Area: 1.12278484362049

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0.734521773074793

Major-minor axis ratio: 0.367679349587205

Centroid: [-8.94069671630859E-08, 0.6219433524133, 1.59146925806999]

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Choosing heuristic forward axis for FAR drag model.

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Part: HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2) Transforms: 29

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HDG-1-L Heavy-Duty Landing Gear (x2): Geometry model created; Size: [0.725000023841858, 2.25000071525574, 1.87674379348755], LD [0.381249696016312, 1.87674343585968, 0], UD [0.725000023841858, 0.615178823471069, 0]

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Fineness Ratio: 1.72960973349427

TaperRatio: 0.593526538408678

Cross Sectional Area: 1.06864360335788

Cross Sectional Tapered Area: 0.648435256050161

Major-minor axis ratio: 0.386307404536339

Centroid: [2.98023223876953E-08, 0.635860411412654, 1.49638587236404]

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brusura · September 9, 2014

Using last dev build, far interface disappear and when switching camera mode the view is zoomed all the way out, got this messages in the logs:

NullReferenceException
at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Component:GetComponentsWithCorrectReturnType (System.Type)
at UnityEngine.Component.GetComponents[Collider] () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at ferram4.FARWingAerodynamicModel.ExposureDirection (Ray ray, RaycastHit hit, System.Collections.Generic.List`1 PartList, Single dist, Boolean span) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
UnityEngine.Debug:Internal_LogException(Exception, Object)
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
ferram4.FARWingAerodynamicModel:ExposureDirection(Ray, RaycastHit, List`1, Single, Boolean)
ferram4.FARWingAerodynamicModel:WingExposureFunction()
ferram4.FARWingAerodynamicModel:RunExposure()
ferram4.FARWingAerodynamicModel:MathAndFunctionInitialization()
ferram4.FARWingAerodynamicModel:OnStart(StartState)
Part:ModulesOnStart()
:MoveNext()
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here logs and save https://www.dropbox.com/s/sfjpobtb5epi1wf/KSP.zip?dl=0

Jagzeplin · September 9, 2014

wait while were goin off topic can i ask what programs you guys recommend for checking whether or not my PC is throttling performance due to heat and how to adjust that? ok kinda late but i dont wanna go starting a forum topic for this lol

Voculus · September 10, 2014

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about atmosphere and velocity curves in CFG files. I was a big fan of the KAX radial and turboprop engines in stock form, but with FAR, they'll easily propel ships past the speed of sound. I tried cutting the max thrust value in half, and while it helped a bit as far as max speed, it had the unfortunate effect of causing them to accelerate like dogs.

So looking at the turboprop CFG file, I see the following:

atmosphereCurve

{

key = 0 800

key = 0.6 3000

key = 1 4200

}

velocityCurve

{

key = 1000 0.0 0 0

key = 350 1.2 0 0

key = 0 1.0 0 0

}

I searched for velocity curves in the forums, and while the one example I found makes sense, I cannot make sense of the above. I only know enough to be dangerous. Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might modify these numbers, in order to get the prop engines to behave more lifelike? Thanks!

Edited September 10, 2014 by Voculus

madlemur · September 10, 2014

This might be of use, or at least interest: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/93332-INFO-KSP-floatCurves-and-you-the-magic-of-tangents

mossman · September 10, 2014

@mossman: Oh, why didn't you say it was for intakes only? That's on purpose, because those numbers go into the stock drag model.

It's not for intakes only. I just happened to pick that part to demonstrate. Whenever this issue is in effect, all parts show 0 drag and I'm able to go noticeably faster in-atmo.

On that note, I've noticed that most structural parts no longer have the drag+lift counter on their context menu. How do I get those back?

ferram4 · September 10, 2014

@brusura: Known issue with pWings and a fix to some issues with odd CoL with B9 parts. A fix is in the works, but until then, please use GitHub to report dev issues instead of here.

@Surefoot: If the last time you flew it was in 0.23, then it's quite possible that improvements to the flight model have caused this and that it is proper. Look into shifting your CoM and making sure that your wing loading isn't ridiculously high.

@Voculus: Well, for one, 350 m/s is ~ Mach 1, and having thrust increase there will ensure that it can reach stupidly high speeds. You'd want thrust to fall off by that point. Ideally, you would abandon stock-based airbreathing models since they're complete garbage and wrong, because jets and props do not act like rocket engines.

@mossman: Why would any other parts show a drag of 0? Only intakes have the maximum_drag indicator displayed, so I don't know how you're reading it from anything else. Even still, those numbers must be set to 0 unless you want drag proportional to mass.

FAR's indicators can be re-enabled in its debug menu in the Space Center, and the numbers that come from those will not be 0.

You are not suffering any issues, everything is working perfectly fine.

Voculus · September 10, 2014

key = 1000 0.0 0 0

key = 350 1.2 0 0

key = 0 1.0 0 0

So if I change that 350 to 175, and the 1.2 to a zero, would that get me close? What does the 1.0 on the line below do for me? Sorry for all the questions, but so few people know how these keys work, and I'm at your mercy.

madlemur · September 10, 2014

key = 1000 0.0 0 0
key = 350 1.2 0 0
key = 0 1.0 0 0
So if I change that 350 to 175, and the 1.2 to a zero, would that get me close? What does the 1.0 on the line below do for me? Sorry for all the questions, but so few people know how these keys work, and I'm at your mercy.

No, no, no...

If memory and deduction serve, Thrust is at 100% (1.0 multiplier) at 0m/s, goes to 120% (1.2) at 350m/s, and finally gets to 0% at 1000m/s. The trailing 0's are the in-slope and out-slope of the curves.

Of course, I could be insanely wrong...

Surefoot · September 10, 2014

Alright, flight model has changed a lot indeed since v0.23

Here is result of today's work:

My findings:

- my previous attemps were doomed by the "noodle syndrome": seems KJR doesnt attach pwings or fuselage parts as strongly as before. My plane was flexing so much any aerodynamic input was offset by the flexing. Seems v0.24.x is much more noodly than before.

- also i got blind sided by that new universal fuel tank part thing: turns out my COM was completely offset

- Delta wings arent protecting from mach tuck anymore, oh no they arent. Found out my delta design is getting max roll + max yaw during transsonic. Also falls like a brick once supersonic..

- My best high speed supersonic design was above screenshot, although i found out it behaves at subsonic quite well.

- Mach tuck is constant, huge, very difficult to mitigate, my above design dips a few times before getting enough speed to climb at 20K where it gets to speeds where lift is secondary, and STILL i have like 80% pitch trim upwards !?!? (even at mach 3+) I suppose i'd have to add some proper camber to wings but that's very difficult to achieve in KSP (especially now that things are a bit more noodly than before)

- Or is it something else ? Like small parts are accounted for or something ? Or do i need to add drag to the underside to balance drag produced by tails ? Wouldnt tails produce a moment that keeps the nose up ?

(edit) and regular turbojets are so weak now.. on SABRE's i just switch to rocket mode for takeoff or it takes forever and half. On normal turbojets even a very lightweight, simple design (like 30 parts total) behaves like a tanker, i'll try more designs these days but maybe these jets have been nerfed a bit too much ?

(edit2) and thinking of mach tuck, at around mach 2 on the above design i get a slight temporary wobble, like something going through a turbulence, then i get lift again.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Surefoot

Camacha · September 10, 2014

So, no deflection over 30. I will need to work around that then

Is KJR still needed? I thought Squad made their own fixes.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Camacha

ferram4 · September 10, 2014

@Surefoot: If you've got pitch-down tendencies at Mach 2, that's not Mach tuck; Mach tuck is specific to the transonic regime. What you've got going on is a design that is too stable at supersonic speeds because the CoL is too far behind the CoM; you will need to reduce the distance between them in order to compensate. Unless it's getting stupid pitch-down tendencies only around Mach 0.7 - 1.1, you're not getting Mach tuck.

Also, nerfs to the jet engines still leave them with higher thrust and lower fuel consumption than real life ones at altitude. Trust me, they haven't been nerfed enough, but people still complain.

Finally, KJR has never done anything wrt pWings, because trying to get the sizing of those parts is impossible, and allowing KJR to do anything to them simply makes it worse. You are seeing the effects of stock joint forces there.

@Camacha: Consider that Surefoot's flexing problems are due to the stock fixes, and then come to your own conclusions.

Wanderfound · September 10, 2014

My inability to make this last bit of red go away is bugging me:

Any suggestions?

Camacha · September 10, 2014

@Camacha: Consider that Surefoot's flexing problems are due to the stock fixes, and then come to your own conclusions.

Load and clear. Thanks for your unrelenting efforts, this game would not be complete without them.

Edited September 11, 2014 by Camacha

tetryds · September 11, 2014

My inability to make this last bit of red go away is bugging me:
http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah120/craigmotbey/Kerbal/Kerbodyne%20Showroom/screenshot32_zps4933e662.jpg
Any suggestions?

I forgot the exact fix for that one.

Try replacing your tail fin by the Standard Canard.

Or mess with elevators inclination a bit (I guess a 5 deg dihedral fixes it, but not sure).

Or don't dare going into a sideslip.

Will reproduce your design and tell what fixes that just because.

Wanderfound · September 11, 2014

I forgot the exact fix for that one.
Try replacing your tail fin by the Standard Canard.
Or mess with elevators inclination a bit (I guess a 5 deg dihedral fixes it, but not sure).
Or don't dare going into a sideslip.
Will reproduce your design and tell what fixes that just because.

Cheers, thanks.

Craft file at https://www.dropbox.com/s/t7arl456ss9wvbw/Kerbodyne%20Evangelist.craft?dl=0

It was designed as a trainer; swap the standard jet for a turbo if you want to turn it into a hypersonic aerobatics specialist instead.

tetryds · September 11, 2014

Cheers, thanks.
Craft file at https://www.dropbox.com/s/t7arl456ss9wvbw/Kerbodyne%20Evangelist.craft?dl=0
It was designed as a trainer; swap the standard jet for a turbo if you want to turn it into a hypersonic aerobatics specialist instead.

Yes, dihedral on the elevators fixed it.

I also made minor changes to it.

The fuel was unbalanced, COM would go behind COL after the first tank was empty.

Since KSP jet engines are insanely efficient, you won't need more than one tank for a plane that small.

Now, surprisingly, the COM won't even move doesn't matter how much fuel you have, nice balance there!

Also changed control surfaces deflection a bit, to make it more reliable.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/glop7qxobdu2lvx/Kerbodyne%20Evangelist.craft?dl=0

Surefoot · September 11, 2014

@Ferram: ah, thanks a bunch that makes sense. That's a significant change from former versions ! I am open to that new challenge. More fuel transfers while airborne will be needed... Nice that we have that Goodspeed pump mod

For me the jet nerf just makes me take longer to achieve the same results, i understand the need of some for utter realism, but that's feeling artificial to me. It's still a space program for small green men, let's still have some fun, that's my take on it. If i want to play a flight sim there's DCS or X-Plane and Kerbal is nowhere near those (even with your wonderful mod).

Another side effect of the jet nerf is the runway is now a tad too short, and it amplifies the issues with landing gears going sideways because of Unity limitations.

tetryds · September 11, 2014

@Ferram: ah, thanks a bunch that makes sense. That's a significant change from former versions ! I am open to that new challenge. More fuel transfers while airborne will be needed... Nice that we have that Goodspeed pump mod
For me the jet nerf just makes me take longer to achieve the same results, i understand the need of some for utter realism, but that's feeling artificial to me. It's still a space program for small green men, let's still have some fun, that's my take on it. If i want to play a flight sim there's DCS or X-Plane and Kerbal is nowhere near those (even with your wonderful mod).
Another side effect of the jet nerf is the runway is now a tad too short, and it amplifies the issues with landing gears going sideways because of Unity limitations.

It was posted lots of times here that it was a nerf much needed and that you can change it by yourself.

You can find the configuration you need to change a few pages back.

It's one single value that affects all engines.

Wanderfound · September 11, 2014

Yes, dihedral on the elevators fixed it.
I also made minor changes to it.
The fuel was unbalanced, COM would go behind COL after the first tank was empty.
Since KSP jet engines are insanely efficient, you won't need more than one tank for a plane that small.
Now, surprisingly, the COM won't even move doesn't matter how much fuel you have, nice balance there!
Also changed control surfaces deflection a bit, to make it more reliable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/glop7qxobdu2lvx/Kerbodyne%20Evangelist.craft?dl=0

Thanks. I'm looking forwards to giving it a shot at the Vomit Comet Challenge.

I'd been using Goodspeed to balance the tanks, and I did manage to run them nearly dry (with the turbojet version); doing several Fine Print aerial survey contracts in a single flight puts a lot of air miles on. My more serious planes normally have lines arranged to drain the fuel from the rear lateral tanks first.

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