What will the first space wars be like?

[SunlitZelkova]

1 hour ago, Spacescifi said:

COVID-19 revealed that.... we uh.... are not as cooperative in fighting known large scale threats as ID4 would have moviegoers believe.

In certain circles, this was already known, and such scenarios were a big point of ridicule in scifi movies. A big example was the harmonious Sino-American cooperation in the Independence Day sequel.

[kerbiloid]

Are you aware that The Independence Day is sci-fi?

[SunlitZelkova]

48 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

Are you aware that The Independence Day is sci-fi?

Yes. What I meant is, along with the various plot holes and plot armor, fantastic political agreements are considered by some (very few though) to be one of the worst parts of scifi films.

[MKI]

On 2/25/2022 at 4:29 PM, Spacescifi said:

That is a great ironly.

A relative aptly noted after seeing the first ID4 scifi movie, "They (Earth nations) unite to fight but not to make peace."

The truth is actually darker than that though.

ID4 is the kind of movie that assumes humanity will unite to fight a common threat and cooperate well to that end.

COVID-19 revealed that.... we uh.... are not as cooperative in fighting known large scale threats as ID4 would have moviegoers believe.

 

There is a very distinct difference between an invisible virus and legit aliens indiscriminately killing people. The initial contact of the Ender's Game universe has the alien force essentially vaporizing anything and everything in their way all the way to the ground. It is actually true that initially humans didn't believe/corporate after initial contact, its also true nations still play geopolitics by withholding aid to the initially affected country, China. It isn't until China actually sends in nukes and realize they do nothing do special operation forces bypass geopolitics and get involved.  

It might not unite the worlds for peace, but it sure as hell will scare everyone to get their act together and form some force to fight the threat. 

I believe having the concept of "a physical identifiable enemy" is strong enough to unite the world against a common threat. Sure there will always be deniers (there are a few in the books if I remember correctly) and those that just want to make a buck, but by the time of book Ender's Game itself (decades after the first invasion) the world is on edge waiting for the threat to come back, and the world is built around that fear propaganda of the initial contact of the aliens returning. 

 

Also Independence Day is a blockbuster movie on the same level Armageddon. Eat popcorn, watch stuff explode, watch Will Smith punch an alien, smoke a cigar, and let the president of the US drop the best film speech ever. I don't hold it up high in regards to realism haha.

 

 

Edited March 5, 2022 by MKI

[Spacescifi]

5 hours ago, MKI said:

 

There is a very distinct difference between an invisible virus and legit aliens indiscriminately killing people. The initial contact of the Ender's Game universe has the alien force essentially vaporizing anything and everything in their way all the way to the ground. It is actually true that initially humans didn't believe/corporate after initial contact, its also true nations still play geopolitics by withholding aid to the initially affected country, China. It isn't until China actually sends in nukes and realize they do nothing do special operation forces bypass geopolitics and get involved.  

It might not unite the worlds for peace, but it sure as hell will scare everyone to get their act together and form some force to fight the threat. 

I believe having the concept of "a physical identifiable enemy" is strong enough to unit the world against a common threat. Sure there will always be deniers (there are a few in the books if I remember correctly) and those that just want to make a buck, but by the time of book Ender's Game itself (decades after the first invasion) the world is on edge waiting for the threat to come back, and the world is built around that fear propaganda of the initial contact of the aliens returning. 

 

Also Independence Day is a blockbuster movie on the same level Armageddon. Eat popcorn, watch stuff explode, watch Will Smith punch an alien, smoke a cigar, and let the president of the US drop the best film speech ever. I don't hold it up high in regards to realism haha.

 

 

 

Yeah... in the absence of a good speech writer a US president may be at a loss... especially if based on a certain IRL history president or two after JFK..... lol.

 

He may have to defer to a more eloquent speaker and just look imposing/impressive/important behind him/her lol.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Spacescifi

[DDE]

On 2/26/2022 at 4:51 AM, SunlitZelkova said:

In certain circles, this was already known, and such scenarios were a big point of ridicule in scifi movies. A big example was the harmonious Sino-American cooperation in the Independence Day sequel.

*Pournelle's CoDominium smokes nervously in the corner*

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