Tomorrow War Aliens Versus Napeleon and Europe...

[Spacescifi]

Since we discussed that modern humanity should and would thrash the whitespikes without even needing a time travel device... I was curious if Napeleon era Europe could stand a chance?

 

Per the plot the aliens break out of their spaceship in Siberia and start ravaging and multiplying from there toward the rest of Europe and will eventually swim across to Britain if they conquer enough.

 

Does Napeleon and Europe stand a chance or is humanity doomed to being snack food for alien hordes?

What does Napeleon and Europe have? Rifles that must be reloaded with each shot. Given the fact that modern guns are almost an inconvience for whitespikes, musket men will struggle against them

The only thing I think would do well would be cannons.... and strangely, bayonet charges as well as swords.

The battle will be a total mess of machismo versus an alien horde. Very. Very. Messy. And did I mention bloody? That too.

Edited April 1, 2023 by Spacescifi

[kerbiloid]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tomorrow_War

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Dan leads a mission to Russia with Charlie, Dorian, the stranded future soldiers, and his estranged father James, a Vietnam veteran.
They find the alien ship frozen in ice beneath the Academy of Sciences Glacier, and surmise that global warming freed them in the future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Sciences_Glacier

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The Academy of Sciences Glacier (Russian: ледник Академии наук; Lednik Akademii Nauk), is a large ice cap on Komsomolets Island, Severnaya Zemlya, Russian Federation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolets_Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severnaya_Zemlya

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View of the Academy of Sciences Glacier from Zhuravlev Bay

The widest strait to cross to reach the continent is ~40 km wide, and the water is +2° C hot even in case of global warming.

The sea fauna and polar bears would appreciate the unexpected cold snack.

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But even if some of the aliens had reached the land, in the Napoleon epoch the humans had a large amount of expendable bioresource - the peasants.
Being combined with guns and cannons, they would crush the aliens even by mass.

[Spacescifi]

10 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tomorrow_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Sciences_Glacier

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolets_Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severnaya_Zemlya

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View of the Academy of Sciences Glacier from Zhuravlev Bay

The widest strait to cross to reach the continent is ~40 km wide, and the water is +2° C hot even in case of global warming.

The sea fauna and polar bears would appreciate the unexpected cold snack.

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But even if some of the aliens had reached the land, in the Napoleon epoch the humans had a large amount of expendable bioresource - the peasants.
Being combined with guns and cannons, they would crush the aliens even by mass.

 

Let's suppose a thousand of them reach land and start reproducing?

They are not easy to kill and have a rate of fire faster than your average musket man.

 

Peasants are an expendable resource... that the aliens both feed off and feed their queen with, who likely eats a lot to power her ridiculous birthing rate.

[kerbiloid]

What peasants?  It's a tundra.

For sure they will not have enough food to grow a thousand by eating polar bears, birds, and seals (because they need a tenfold  to grow big).

They will be frozen and slow, as they don't have any protective layer like fur or fat.

They will have to cross three straits (~80 km in total) of icy water.

And the survivors will reach same hostile coast of the continent, having then to cross the tundra with numerous swamps and daily blizzards.

The food which they meet are  reindeers, owned and herded by Arctic peoples, living in several tens kilometers from each other.
To illustrate: the Russian-Chukcha war in XVIII-XIX (i.e. in the Napoleon epoch) was lasting almost for two centuries and finished with a draw.
(It began because the Russian allies, Koryaks, had asked for their herds protection, if it's important. )
The Russian Empire which was fighting against much greater armies at the West, was able to have only a battalion, because it was impossible to hold more so far from the agricultured areas.
So, it was a war between several hundreds soldiers and several tens thousands hunters-herders, where the parties were mostly fighting against hunger and cold.
Finally they got an agreement that Chukchas recognize themselves as subjects of the Russian Empire and stop terrorizing Koryaks; they should pay tribute of one sable fur per man per year if they can (sic!); while the Russian Empire may send them gifts of arbitrary value.

So, the poor aliens in that epoch would eat the nearest herd of reindeers, and then the local dwellers would just take their herds away from that place and start hunting the frozen extraterrestrials to sell them in the nearest Russian trading post.

Probably, the muskets would not be used (a shot costs money), only spears.

Edited April 1, 2023 by kerbiloid

[Spacescifi]

43 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

What peasants?  It's a tundra.

For sure they will not have enough food to grow a thousand by eating polar bears, birds, and seals (because they need a tenfold  to grow big).

They will be frozen and slow, as they don't have any protective layer like fur or fat.

They will have to cross three straits (~80 km in total) of icy water.

And the survivors will reach same hostile coast of the continent, having then to cross the tundra with numerous swamps and daily blizzards.

The food which they meet are  reindeers, owned and herded by Arctic peoples, living in several tens kilometers from each other.
To illustrate: the Russian-Chukcha war in XVIII-XIX (i.e. in the Napoleon epoch) was lasting almost for two centuries and finished with a draw.
(It began because the Russian allies, Koryaks, had asked for their herds protection, if it's important. )
The Russian Empire which was fighting against much greater armies at the West, was able to have only a battalion, because it was impossible to hold more so far from the agricultured areas.
So, it was a war between several hundreds soldiers and several tens thousands hunters-herders, where the parties were mostly fighting against hunger and cold.
Finally they got an agreement that Chukchas recognize themselves as subjects of the Russian Empire and stop terrorizing Koryaks; they should pay tribute of one sable fur per man per year if they can (sic!); while the Russian Empire may send them gifts of arbitrary value.

So, the poor aliens in that epoch would eat the nearest herd of reindeers, and then the local dwellers would just take their herds away from that place and start hunting the frozen extraterrestrials to sell them in the nearest Russian trading post.

Probably, the muskets would not be used (a shot costs money), only spears.

 

The problem is they don't have to grow a thousand, the ship has a whole colony on it. Meaning probably a thousand or more. They have superhuman endurance since they swam for miles to attack the human ocean base.

And hunters with spears vs an army of alien monsters that shoot foot long spikes with accuracy?

Doubt hunters alone prevail. Aliens use some strategy besides.

Edited April 1, 2023 by Spacescifi

[kerbiloid]

8 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

The problem is they don't have to grow a thousand, the ship has a whole colony on it.

They won't have enough food for thousand. There are 20..30 polar kilobears in the whole Arctics., and ~200 k "native" kilohumans living in the whole tundra or around, and both are the top predators

8 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

They have superhuman endurance since they swam for miles to attack the human ocean base.

Miles in a tropic sea vs tens of miles in the icy water, with glaciers and tundra at both coasts, with bikini instead of fur coat and fat.

8 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

And hunters with spears vs an army of alien monsters that shoot foot long spikes with accuracy?

Spears are enough good to kill the lassoed alien. The native peoples usual tactics was to crawl in the night to the opponent skin tent, to lasso the top of it with several lassos to bring it down, and start piercng with spears through the skins every human-sized lump. For protection they were wearing a birch bark armor.

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As the alien would be hungry and cold, its metabolism would be low and movements slow.

Thus they would just do to the alien species the same what they were doing to a tent with several men inside.

8 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

Aliens use some strategy besides.

To use a strategy the aliens should have a lot of them at once.

And this will face the same problem as any historical army had. The army size is limited by local food and water.
That's why just a battalion of humans was taking its part. And as the aliens have greater power, they need more food. So, they would be forced to spread around the tundra, and most of them would not find any food at all, while others would use one strategy: see a food - run walk and catch.

As the reindeer herds would be driven away once the nearest of them had been attacked, the aliens would have to cross hundreds kilometers of either ice and snow in winter, or swamps in summer.