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Any recommendations for a new monitor? It can't be wider than 20" and it has to cost less than $120

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3 hours ago, ThaZeus said:

Any recommendations for a new monitor? It can't be wider than 20" and it has to cost less than $120

It's just a bit outside your criteria, but I've had success with the Acer R240HY.

Overall, one very important question: do you prefer very fast response, or a better looking screen? Usually, TN panels are cheaper, and it's easier to find 144 Hz TN panels, while IPS (In Plane Switching) panels tend to look a bit better.

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With that budget and size requirement he cant buy anything great. 144hz and IPS is way out of reach, especialy due to the size. I would recommed to buy something used, such small screens are only used in laptops anymore.

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A width of 20 inches corresponds to about a 21.5 inch diagonal for a 1080p screen, or 23 inch if there's virtually no bezel. There are still options there, though I don't think much in the way of adaptive sync or 120/144 Hz stuff.

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Spending money on something new that does not have new technology seems a waste. Look for something nice on the second hand market. That price/performance is hard to beat when buying new.

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I have a bit of dillema going on here. Started (finally) buying parts for my new build and I can't make up my mind on two of the most important components: CPU and MBO.

I am undecided between ASUS ROG Maximus IX Code + i7 7700K on one side and ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero + Ryzen 7 1700 on the other side.

 

Other components are:
CPU Cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 AIO cooler (I have requested free AM4 bracket from Arctic just in case and they sent it today)

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8GB 3000MHz

M.2 SSD: SAMSUNG PM961 128GB M.2 2280 (to be used for Windows and apps)

SSD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 250GB or Kingston Hyperx Savage 240GB (whichever is available in shop when I will be buying them; to be used for games I play the most)

HDD: My current few months old Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200rpm (for other games) + Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200rpm (for downloads and temporary backup)

Case: Cooler Master Mastercase Pro 6

PSU: Seasonic Prime 850W Titanium

Graphics Card: I will continue to use my MSI GeForce GTX 950 2GB OC for about 2-3 months and then buy either GTX 1080Ti or 20-series card if they are released by that time.

Monitor: AOC Agon AG271QG 27", though I am not fully set on it yet.

 

 

If I go with Ryzen CPU and Crosshair MBO it comes at about 90-100€ cheaper. The problem is, I haven't really ever used anything based on AMD stuff (other than graphics cards) so I am not as comfortable with that platform as I am with Intel...then again, I am aware of bad thermals from Kaby Lake CPUs due to bad TIM betwen CPU die and heatspreader and I am not comfortable with de-lidding my CPU even though it can make it run 20-30°C cooler.

 

I will use this PC mostly for gaming (KSP of course, F1, some other racing and sports games, as well as simulations) and maybe, just maybe for some light video editing. I might also come back to programing a bit.

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17 hours ago, Cuky said:

If I go with Ryzen CPU and Crosshair MBO it comes at about 90-100€ cheaper. The problem is, I haven't really ever used anything based on AMD stuff

I just bought a 1600x moving up from a phenom triple core. Benchmarks are showing the ryzen chips better at multitasking, slightly worse at single thread. And it's a new platform, AMD has invested heavily in. Expect it to be around for awhile and mature. It runs cooler and cost less. But if your counting framerates, get the intel chip but not the 7700k, not worth the price jump. I multitask so I'll take the small single thread hit, there should be less stutter for me and I'm running a small rig heat matters.

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@snkiz Thanks for your opinion. I will probably wait a bit on that decision though because I don't want to lock myself into one or the other only to change my mind halfway through the build.

I will buy everything else and then choose and buy MBO and CPU at the end.

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4 hours ago, Cuky said:

@snkiz Thanks for your opinion. I will probably wait a bit on that decision though because I don't want to lock myself into one or the other only to change my mind halfway through the build.

I will buy everything else and then choose and buy MBO and CPU at the end.

Personally I would get the Ryzen because of how viable it would be in the long run compared to a current Intel chip. LGA 1151 is being phased out very soon, but AM4 is going to be used for multiple years, is cheaper, and destroys Intel in all ways except single core performance where it's just a little behind Intel.

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Ryzen seems to be the logical choice. The AMD chips are beating Intel all over the board, with the exception being the 7700K in specific gaming scenarios. Some would argue that is not even the case, as there seems to be evidence that the higher frame rates come at the cost of lower minimum frame rates and more stutter, yielding a less ideal experience. However, if you spend the money you save by going for the Ryzen chip on a better GPU, you will still end up with better frame rates for the same money overall.

That is before taking other factors into consideration, like the eight cores providing a plethora of calculative power for anything decently multi-threading, beating the 7700K handsomely in those cases. Some suspect games will be optimizing for more cores more and more in the near future. Others have also mentioned the ecosystem probably being a better bet in the long run. Intel tends to drop sockets after a generation or two and since they currently are in full panic mode, they might even do so quicker, or release chips that are not as well polished as before. The whole Intel X299 thing does not bode well.

Ryzen is where its at right now.

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Hello everyone. I'm posting to ask for opinions on this parts list by @legoclone09.The list is here. I plan to get it when the rx 580 is in stock at a reasonable price, and I have been trying to get as many opinions as possible. Thanks in adavnce, SpaceEnthusiast

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I think I am leaning a bit more towards AMD than Intel at this moment. I still see that there are some problems with memory copatibility and MBO-s (well, the one that I am interested in anyways) have some teething problems, but as I said I will be buying everything else with MBO and CPU at the end (that will be somewhere in october I hope) those might be resolved before then.

And just a prise for Arctic Cooling...less then a week since I requested AM4 retention ring for Liquid Freezer 240 it arrived at my door.

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On 28/07/2017 at 9:27 AM, Cuky said:

I think I am leaning a bit more towards AMD than Intel at this moment. I still see that there are some problems with memory copatibility and MBO-s (well, the one that I am interested in anyways) have some teething problems, but as I said I will be buying everything else with MBO and CPU at the end (that will be somewhere in october I hope) those might be resolved before then.

I would advise against buying a bit now now and the rest later. Hardware loses its value quickly and there is no benefit in being stuck with the choice you made in advance. Save up and buy the whole caboodle when you are ready.

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well the thing is good hardware is quite hard to find here in Croatia...shops tend to get very small quantities which are sold quickly and then you have to wait until (and sometimes if) they get a new bunch. I will be buying parts that can last longer (performance wise) like case, SSD and HDD, fans, etc...I will then buy RAM, CPU and MBO together so that if something out of those 3 most expensive parts comes DOA I can RMA it.

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22 hours ago, Cuky said:

well the thing is good hardware is quite hard to find here in Croatia...shops tend to get very small quantities which are sold quickly and then you have to wait until (and sometimes if) they get a new bunch. I will be buying parts that can last longer (performance wise) like case, SSD and HDD, fans, etc...I will then buy RAM, CPU and MBO together so that if something out of those 3 most expensive parts comes DOA I can RMA it.

Fair point. I am unaware of your local situation and how that might affect your purchasing decisions. Purchasing ahead is not sensible in situations where hardware can be ordered at will, but if that is different locally, what is sensible might very well change.

Thanks for reminding me that the things I take for granted are not a given at all :)

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1 hour ago, Camacha said:

Fair point. I am unaware of your local situation and how that might affect your purchasing decisions. Purchasing ahead is not sensible in situations where hardware can be ordered at will, but if that is different locally, what is sensible might very well change.

Thanks for reminding me that the things I take for granted are not a given at all :)

Well, it happens to me too...it really is easy to forget that there are places where things are different

 

But in all honesty, hardware, especially powerful hardware is really hard to get here in Croatia. Say GPUs...currently it is almost impossible to find anything faster than a GTX 1070...some 1080s, usually founders edition, pop out here and there but are sold out really fast. Of course some shops allow you to order cards they don't have on them, but you have to wait for at least few weeks

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There seem to be a lot of possible configurations, you would need to be more specific. But they share all one big disqualifing issue: The are extremly overpriced prebuilds.

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Actually could be a lot worse. Take this build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xs4Tyf

Its about roughly even with one of the 1299 priced builds. However, this is after savings. Without that, you would be losing a nice bit of change.

(I know I'm not factoring OS in that build, because I know its possible to get windows for about 30 dollars.)

 

As far as performance - I currently run a relatively lightly modded save with 8GB of ram and usually run firefox in the background. Do yourself a favor, try to get 16gb. But performance wise it should be fine to run modded KSP.

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Not really a PC question. But the AC adapter of my laptop charger fell in water while it was charging and it stopped working. My laptop is completely out of fuel and can not be charged. What should i do? Can i leave it rice like they do in other devices?

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4 minutes ago, RoadRunnerAerospace said:

Thinking `bout buying this:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-desktop-amd-fx-series-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-460-1tb-hard-drive-black/5615009.p?skuId=5615009

Anyone have any comments/experience with it? It seems to have good ratings, but are there any quirks or something?

FX series processors are pretty bad, you can build a better PC for less money, it isn't that hard either.

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1 hour ago, RoadRunnerAerospace said:

Thinking `bout buying this:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-desktop-amd-fx-series-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-460-1tb-hard-drive-black/5615009.p?skuId=5615009

Anyone have any comments/experience with it? It seems to have good ratings, but are there any quirks or something?

As someone who used to have an FX4300-series CPU, I can say it's getting rather dated. ̶I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶d̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶K̶S̶P̶,̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶o̶m̶m̶e̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶n̶e̶w̶ ̶I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶l̶i̶n̶e̶-̶u̶p̶ ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶D̶D̶R̶4̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶o̶r̶y̶,̶ ̶s̶i̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶u̶p̶g̶r̶a̶d̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶(̶o̶r̶ ̶"̶F̶u̶t̶u̶r̶e̶-̶p̶r̶o̶o̶f̶"̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶t̶)̶  (as it turns out, the new AMD Ryzen line is actually more "future-proof!"  Intel appears to be planning a new socket type to replace the current LGA1151 socket -- on the other hand, the AM4 Socket for the AMD Ryzen line should last til 2020.) -- plus the Intel CPUs tend to perform better with single-thread tasks than the AMD FX-series.  That said, the new AMD Ryzen line is looking quite promising.  I currently use the Intel i3-6100T, which is entry-level for 7th Gen, but so far has run basically everything I've thrown at it so far.

The RX460 is a decent entry-level graphics card, but don't expect it to run every modern AAA game at full graphics.  That said, it should function admirably for KSP (in my opinion at least).

I always recommend a second (or third, or fourth) opinion before you purchase, however :)

 

5 hours ago, NSEP said:

Not really a PC question. But the AC adapter of my laptop charger fell in water while it was charging and it stopped working. My laptop is completely out of fuel and can not be charged. What should i do? Can i leave it rice like they do in other devices?


From what I've read, even if you do dry it completely it still has a chance of working incorrectly.  If it were me, I'd buy a new AC adapter rather than risk frying the laptop.

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19 minutes ago, RoadRunnerAerospace said:

Thinking `bout buying this:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-desktop-amd-fx-series-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-460-1tb-hard-drive-black/5615009.p?skuId=5615009

Anyone have any comments/experience with it? It seems to have good ratings, but are there any quirks or something?

I have to agree with most other people's opinions. Not great for KSP and there is a lot better stuff. My system is about 800 USD, but some parts are probably less expensive now. I4690k and a 1060, if you were wondering. Also, if you choose a smaller mobo and cheaper case (mine was about 120), you could probably get a good system for about the same price.

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