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Mission Controller 2 (Version 1.4.5) (KSP 1.3) 7/29/2017 (Missing Button Fix)

What types of contracts would you like to see in future versions of MCE?  

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  1. 1. What types of contracts would you like to see in future versions of MCE?

    • More Science type Repeatable Contracts
      51
    • More Funds Type Repeatable Contracts, Like Satellites
      30
    • Expand Civilian Contracts. Civilian Buy rides, or Civilian Timed tours.
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malkuth    206

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I will not provide support if you don't follow these simple instructions.  To many mods out for KSP for me to be chasing things that might not be related to Mission Controller 2. 

Version 1.4.4.0 Of Mission Controller for KSP 1.3 Released.

Contract Types

 

  • Single Delivery Satellite Contracts Using MCE Ground Stations.
  • 6 Satellite Network Contract Using MCE Ground Stations.
  • Science Contracts Ionazation and Mass Spectomety.
  • Repair Contracts (satellite and Station)
  • Historical Contracts. Covering Russian and American space programs.
  • Early Career Mode Contract.
  • In game custom contracts, satellite, crew transfer, cargo transfer and orbit  or landing.
  • MCE revert button.  Charges you % of ship cost for reverts.  

 

The New Satellite Contracts.

The new satellite contracts introduced in version 1.2 of MCE has added a completely new type of contract for KSP. With many different flavors of Missions.

Types Of Satellite Contracts

 

  • Communications Core: With Frequency Adjustment And Module Selection
  • Naviagtional Core: With Frequency Adjustment And Module Selection
  • Weather Core: With Frequency Adjustment and Module selection
  • Reasearch Core: With Frequency Adjustment and Module Selection
  •  

 

Each contract type has its own associated part that goes with it. These parts are my first custom made parts that I have ever created.

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Single Delivery Contracts

These new contract types also bring many flavors of objectives. One of the main objectives is to deliver a single satellite to either Polar Orbit Or more common KeoStationary orbit.

Core Adjustments in VAB

This is where the new parts come in. One of the objective of these contracts is to add a Certain Satellite core to your vessel. The satellite cores are split into the 4 types above.

You also need to set up a Module type that the Customer wants installed into the core. You can adjust these inside the VAB with Tweakables via right clicking on the already placed part.

You also need to set a Frequency that the contract requires. You can do this the same way with a tweakable while inside the VAB and right clicking the part.

Start Data Linkup

This is an objective of these types of contracts. Once you get the vessel into the Objective orbit and you have the correct Module installed and Frequency you can right click on the part while in flight and complete this object by pressing the "Start Data Linkup"

Keep A Line Of Sight Of Ground Station

This is an objective that works very similar to the Default KSP Keostationary contract the only difference is that the ground station is connected via Frequency you set previously while building your satellite. this is important only a satellite with the right frequency can establish a link with the target ground station and finish this objective.

Get to KeoStationary Orbit

This is an easy objective you must get to the designated APA and PEA orbital heights the contract requires. For most contracts this is a keostationary orbit. Some Satellite types do have different types of orbits though so pay attention.

Attention

You can only set the frequency and module type while in the VAB. You cannot change these while in flight. If you get the wrong settings you will have to launch a new vessel.

Also be aware that a Satellite core can only do 1 Data Link download. They cannot be reused for other missions. So make sure the settings are correct.

Network Contracts

The big daddy of satellite contracts. The network contract requires you to launch 6 Satellites and build a network around kerbin. All 6 satellites work the same way as the above Single Contract Missions. They all require Satellite cores (all the same) Satellite Modules (again all the same) and finally Frequencies. Every satellite has a different frequency set to a different Ground Station. You must set each satellite to the correct frequency while in the VAB. You can also launch Multiple satellites at the same time. But make sure your not setting the Frequencies while in Symmetry mode! Do not place Satellite cores down in Symmetry mode either or every time you change a frequency the others will change also!

Ground Stations

There are 6 ground stations added by mission controller. They split kerbin up into 4 quadrants on the equator and 2 quadrants on the poles. While a contract is active or available these GroundStations will show up in the map view via KSP FinePrint Icons. All ground stations are located in the same place and are named. While in flight you can see ground stations that are assigned to your contract in flightMode.

Science Contracts

The science Contracts offered by Mission Controller consist of:

Ionization Scan of Orbit

You must load you vessel with the Mission Controller Part Ionization Chamber and launch a vessel to the Target Celestial body the contract requires. When you arrive in orbit you can conduct the Ionization Scan to complete the contract and get some Science! The scanner takes a little while to conduct its studies so just wait for the timer to run down and the contract will complete.

Land And Conduct Mass Spectrometry Analysis

You must build an Unmanned lander and place the mission controller Part Mass Spectrometry Tube and launch your vessel to the target celestial body and land. Once landed you can conduct a Mass Spectrometry Scan to finish the mission. the scanner takes a little while to conduct it's studies so just wait for the timer to run down and the contract will complete.

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Repair Contracts

One of the last parts that Mission Controller adds is what is called the Repair Panel. This panel is a required part for most Satellite type missions. Once enough satellites are in space satellites have a random chance of breaking. If this is the case a repair contract will pop up giving you an option to launch to the satellite and conduct repairs. All you need for these missions is an Engineer kerbal. Once you reach the satellite EVA your Engineer and head to the Repair panel that is attached to your Satellite or Station. Open it up and select the option to Test the system. After this is complete conduct repairs to finish the contract.

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Custom Contracts!

There a 3 different types of custom contracts you can build yourself while Playing Kerbal Space Program and Mission Controller.

Custom ComSat Contract: Made for your RemoteTech Needs. Just select the Orbital Periods you launch and turn on the contract and they will show up in your Mission control Center.

Custom Supply Contract: Have a Life Support Mod? Or other type of resource mod? Use this contract to make custom missions to supply your stations with the supplies they need. Mission controller can support any supply added by any mod. If its not part of mission controller now, you can add it yourself by editing the Mission Controller Config file.

Custom Crew Expedition: Need to have a crew on the station or base. Mission Controllers Custom Crew Expedition allows you to set up crew rotations to your bases and space stations!

Historic Contracts. (Can Be Turned Off)

Mission Controller has a wide range of Historical missions. If these types of missions are not what you want to do you can shut these off in the settings menu available from the Space Center overview screen. Just click the MCE Icon to open up the settings tab.

 

  • Vostok 1
  • Vostok 2
  • Voskhod 2
  • Tiros 1
  • Tiros 7
  • Tiros NOAA - N
  • Mariner 2
  • Mariner 4
  • Mariner 10
  • Voyager 1
  • Apollo Missions + Extended Duna Missions
  • Luna 2
  • Luna 16
  • Agena Target Vehicle
  • Agena Docking
  • Launch Of SkyLab
  • Expedition 1 To SkyLab
  • Expedition 2 To SkyLab
  • Expedition 3 To SkyLab

This mod includes version checking using MiniAVC. If you opt-in, it will use the internet to check whether there is a new version available. Data is only read from the internet and no personal information is sent. For a more comprehensive version checking experience, please download the KSP-AVC Plugin.

 

Curse Download KSP 1.3 (MCE 1.4.5)

GitHub Download KSP 1.3 KSP Version. (MCE 1.4.5)

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Mission Controller 1.4.5 Update.
1. Fixed a bug where MCE Buttons would not show up on New games, and sometimes older games. If this problem persist please report it to me ASAP.
you might get duplicate buttons when you load up the New version. Once you do a scene transition IE from SpaceCenter to VAB this should correct itself.. And never come back.. If does Report please.

Mission Controller 1.4.4.0 Update.
1. New Gui Using the new Untity Assets and Kerbal Space Program PopupGui
2. All settings are now located in KSP settings menu. (Intergrated)
3. New Custom Contract Land and orbit. (This is first step towards a new type of custom contract)
4. Repair Contracts no longer use MCE random.  You should get them more often now using KSP Contract weight system.
5. Started the first stage of Localization.
6. MCE Revert is back.  Use this revert for a non cheaty version that now cost you a % of your ship cost to use.  Can be turned off/On in settings.
7. Other minor fixes to other Contracts.  I have also started converting MCE Contract Paramenters and contracts to using any new Default Paramenters that Mirror my old versions.  

Mission Controller 1.4.1.0 Update.
1. Fixed Research Core Science Not working.
2. Fixed Weather Core Science Not working.

Mission Controller 1.4.0.3 Update.

1. updated for KSP 1.2.
2. Changed out a good portion of the Satellite contracts to use the
default KSP Orbit Goal, instead of the old MC2 AP and PE goals.
Now you get KSP orbit in game Representation of orbits, just like the
default Satellite contracts.
3. The Communication Core has a 2nd role as Direct Communications link. Equal to the Communotron-16.
4. The navigation Core has a 2nd role as a Relay Communications Link. Equal to the HG-5 Relay System.
5. The Communication Core and Navigation core are now located in the Communications Tab.
6. The Weather Core, Research Core, Mass Spectrometry Tube, Ionization Chamber are located in the Science Tab.
7. The Repair Panel is still located in the Utility Tab.
8. The weather Core can now do science, and give you science points.

Version 1.3.7 For KSP 1.12
1.Recompiled for KSP 1.12 with AVC Updated.
2.Fixed an Apollo-Duna fail load on TargetBody4.
3.Fixed KEOSync Orbits for Satellite network contract. Should have the right values now.
4.Fixed Rover Waypoint Drive Contract showing up multiple times in contract list.


version 1.3.6 For KSP 1.11
1. Fixed issue with some more errors in Contract Save and Load configs.
2. Fixed issue with lower res games having issues with GUI Screens. (hopefully).

[b]Version 1.3.4 (KSP 1.1 Update)[/b]

1.Fixed the issues with APA and PEA in most contracts I hope. 
2.Only the Satellite Network Contracts have a set value for KEOSync orbits now.. All other contracts can have random values to help spice it up a little. 
3.Messed a little with the randomness of Repair Contracts. 
4.Worded some of the missions a little different. 
5.MCE should work with RS and other Solar System modification mods that change the size of kerbin and other bodies.
6.Adjusted some prices to make Contract Payouts a little less
7. Increased Repair Contracts again.
8. Fixed a few mission Description problems
9. fixed a lot of possible NRE issues, especially at part load and MCE modules.
11. .fixed an issue with Repair contracts and a possible NRE when the Check for Repair Part doesn't pass.
12. .fixed issues Up to and including all Apollo Historic missions I could find. I still have more work to do on finding any issues with the later historic missions.
13. .Searched for in code errors that have been around and trying to squash them. These don't cause many problems in game but might help reduce More NRE issues.
14. Added new contract Land Rover, and Drive Rover.  This is a WIP project and might not work totally correctly yet.  But the mission has two parts, Land your rover on (Duna is only planet this release) specific waypoint.  The waypoint is represented in the Map view during the game.  You do have a small margin or error for the LZ.  But you have to be pretty close when landing the rover.  The next part is a 2nd contract that adds a new waypoint for you to drive your rover to.  This one is pretty self explanatory.  Again this contract is a WIP.  I have not had much time to test it out and any possible issues.  I will continue to work on it as I get time though.
15. Added Mini AVC to Mission Controller to help control possible version conflicts.


[B]version 1.26[/B] 
Fixed issue where Repair Contracts not showing. Had to get rid of the ability to choose your own Chance percentage in config file.  This is a quick fix to get them to show up again until I can look into changing this later.

[B]Version 1.25[/B]

1. Fixed the Great potatoes Bug mystery.  Satellite contracts had a strange requirement for a Potato?  This was not an intentional feature.  What happened was that I have always used a default mission objective from default KSP contracts.  That is the satellite has Power and is new.. This was from the fineprint contracts that ship with the game now.  When 1.05 for KSP came out the contract. Parameters for fine print were MOVED to a new location and some renamed.  I found what I though was the new name for Satellite has power and is new.. But I guess it is not the case.  Sorry for lack of checking on that one, that part is my fault.

2. I  raised the default error of margin for APA and PEA from 1000 to 5000.

3. Shipped the up-to-date config file with new version.  The older version had an older config file.. Was not a big deal the config file rewrites itself if its not correct, but still rather have the right one for you can edit the config file before starting for the first time.


[B]Version 1.24[/B]
1.05 compatible changed a few things that made MC2 not work right in 1.05 of KSP.  All should be good now.

[B]Version 1.22[/B]

1.Fixed the Issue with Low and High Frequencies not being able to be selected.
2.Added a Margin Of Error for Low and High APA values in config file.
3.Added Payment Modifier in the Config File for contracts.
4.Satellite Contracts should no longer have random parts for Mission Controller.

[B]Version 1.2 Released[/B]
1. Completely redid satellite contracts. Satellite contracts now require new parts! They are also very different and use Frequencies to communicate with ground stations to complete contracts. Most missions require KeoStation Orbit and to keep target ground stations in line of sight at all times.
2. Single delivery Contract Missions.
3. Network Contracts: Construct a 6 satellite network above kerbin. This is the big daddy contract of MCE. Pays well, but takes time and knowledge to complete.
4. Lots of code clean up no more Kerbal Insurance. (out of scope for this mod now)
5. Brand new Parts for satellite contracts. Communication Core, Navigation Core, Weather Core, and Research Core. Check the forum page for info on new contracts and how to complete them. In game explanation is also pretty thorough if you don't like to read. LOL.

[B]Version 1.21 Released[/B]
1. Fixed the duplication bug of Historical Contracts.  Only 1 should show up now in your contract list.

[B]Version 1.12.3 [/B]

1.  All part textures converted to DDS format.
2. Fixed Apollo-Duna Orbital Mission Transmit Science from ground.  Suppose to be transmit science from Space.
3. Fixed payout for Apollo-Duna Orbital Mission.  Was way to much.
4. Fixed Apollo-Duna payout for Build Station.  Was way to much.
5. Other small fixes forgot about.

With this update make sure to delete your Old MissionControllerEC folder completely.  Or you will get duplicate part textures!  DDS and PNG.  Bad idea.
[B]Version 1.12.2[/B]

1. Removed the need for any future RSS config files. Mission Controller 2 will figure out the Orbits of all bodies on its own.. (I hope)
2. Removed Civilian Contracts.
3. Fixed Repair Contracts. The contracts no longer have SpareParts as requirement. (forgot to remove last time)
4. Fixed Repair Contracts. The descriptions for the contracts now should read new method for Repairs.
5. Did a small pass on some of the contract payouts. This might take awhile as I get a look at what contracts are paying and bring more changes.
6. Removed some other legacy code no longer used.
7. Added Supplies From USI Life support to the Custom Resupply Contract.

ChangLog 1.12.1

1. KSP 1.0 Version compatible.
2. No more hire Cost (1.0 has it)
3. Civilian Contracts Turned off (possibly removed next version since 1.0 has civ contracts)
4. No more in editor Parts reader (1.0 has some sort of System)
5. No more dependencies. (you only need mission controller now to run MC).
6. Another Revamp of Repair Missions. No longer require SpareParts or any type of resource. All you need now is a Kerbal Engineer to fix satellites. Or stations.
7. Added Apollo 17 (Minmus)
8. Added new expanded Apollo Missions with 9 new single contracts covering the Set up and landing on Duna.
9. Rewrote the Orbit Research and Landing Research Contracts to be more NASA Like.
10-. The parts have had a overhall pass and renamed. They reflect Real World Early Tech found on early Probes. Orbital Research Is now Ionization Chamber and LanderResearch is Mass Spectrometry Tube. (will be save friendly transfer)
11. Most other contracts that remain have been been made more Realistic in explanations.. Like historical missions.
[B]Version 1.11.0 Mission Controller For .90.[/B]

Please delete your whole MissionControllerEC folder before installing this update.

1. Added 2 new Historic Contracts Covering the United States TIROS Program (Television Infrared Observation Satellite) (3 Contracts)
  And the United States Mariner Program. Mariner 2 (Eve) Mariner 4 (Duna) Mariner 10 (Eve and Moho) and Renamed Mariner 11 and 12 (Voyager 1 To Jool System).
2. Added the ability to Add your own resources to the Station supply Contracts.  These Resources can be changed or added in the config file. What it looks like.
[CODE]
SupplyResourceList
	{
		Item = LiquidFuel
		Item = Oxidizer
		Item = MonoPropellant
		Item = XenonGas
		Item = Food
		Item = Water
		Item = Oxygen
		Item = Kibbal
	}

 

You can either change the Item or Add a whole new one like this.

 

 
SupplyResourceList
	{
		Item = LiquidFuel
		Item = Oxidizer
		Item = MonoPropellant
		Item = XenonGas
		Item = Food
		Item = Water
		Item = Oxygen
		Item = Kibbal
                Item = NewStuffAdded (has to match the resource name in the resource.cfg files of mod, or game)
	}

 

3. Fixed and issue with the Jr docking port in Agena Contracts. This was actually a bigger problem that had nothing to do with the Jr docking port so this fix actually fixes many issues that this was causing.

4. Fixed an issue I thought was only with SkyLab Docking in Contract 2,3 and 4. But again this was a bigger issue with some of the Parameters not working correctly with ID changes. Now The Docking and the Time start for these types of

contracts have been changed to first check the docking Id, and if those fail to check the vessel name. This should pretty much kill any more issues with these types of Contracts. On a plus side if you do end up having issues you can now just change the name of the Station to match the Contract Docking name and things should work if you need.

5. Fixed some typos in some of the contracts pointed out earlier in the thread.

Version 1.10.1

1. Updated Landing Parameter again, I think I have eliminated about 75% of the chances of this event firing while waiting to launch. It still happens in rare instances but its about as close as I can get.

2. Added new contract Early years. This contract is to help out what I think is a huge hole in the early years of a campaign game. The basic idea is to launch a vessel (rocket) with early tech and land in a specific Biome on kerbin. Once landed conduct any type of research to conclude the contract. A lot of the early contracts are very difficult (hardcore mode) because you don't have the tech to do the fineprint contracts in early years without it being a grind fest. This helps if you turn off PartTest contracts and rescue kerbals to fill those gaps. The contract does not pay huge amount so you won't get rich off it. Once satellite contracts start popping up this contract does not appear anymore!

3. Fixed agena contract showing up to early in game.

Version 1.10 for KSP .90 Beta Than Ever

1. Updated for KSP .90 Beta Than Ever.

2. Fixed an issue with Vessel Must Survive option being triggered when other parts of vessel are destroyed.

3. Fixed the Agena Contract 2 requiring Docking Port Jr. This been changed to just require a docking port of any kind.

Version 1.09.4 Released (Dec 2 2014)

Fixed issue with Historic Contract SkyLab 2 still using Repair Parts. Been changed to new SpareParts and should complete goal now.

 

Edited by malkuth
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MK3424    410

Great improvements made to the code!

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malkuth    206
Great! now the mission control building is actually usable!

Well you can pretend to use it..The mod does not make it available since it does not yet have a way to goto it in unity that I know of.. If it did I would almost certainly add it to the mod..

This mod has actually been around since .20 before the new buildings though. :)

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asmi    117

Would be cool to add support for Modular fuel system and realistic fuels. This would give more flexibility to balance price and performance.

I also kinda liked Hard mode since it essencially forced me to use RLVs - on Medium I could get away with expendables and still profit.

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lammatt    37

7zip says "unsupported compression method"

and it doest extract.

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malkuth    206
7zip says "unsupported compression method"

and it doest extract.

Might have to download it again.. Works on my end.. anyone else having this issue? I use 7zip too.

Would be cool to add support for Modular fuel system and realistic fuels. This would give more flexibility to balance price and performance.

I also kinda liked Hard mode since it essencially forced me to use RLVs - on Medium I could get away with expendables and still profit.

I could always add hard mode back.. Its basically set to medium mode now which was the default mode.. Some things have changed in the way the code checks parts though from the original.

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Sandworm    443

Glad to see someone taking the toarch on this one. I did a couple mission packaged for the old version.

I also had trouble with "unsupported methods" but after installing a bunch of ancient decoders I managed to extract it. As this is f/oss, here is the file in rar format (more common than zip imho).

MissionControllerextv0.11.rar -

For ubuntu users wanting to extract the original zip, run this...

$ sudo apt-get install p7zip-full unp rar unace lha unrar unzip

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malkuth    206

Dang forgot it was a zip file I will change it myself to .rar.. :) That way no troubles.

There you go updated to .rar file.. for download 1. :)

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lammatt    37
Glad to see someone taking the toarch on this one. I did a couple mission packaged for the old version.

I also had trouble with "unsupported methods" but after installing a bunch of ancient decoders I managed to extract it. As this is f/oss, here is the file in rar format (more common than zip imho).

MissionControllerextv0.11.rar -

For ubuntu users wanting to extract the original zip, run this...

$ sudo apt-get install p7zip-full unp rar unace lha unrar unzip

well...

indeed... windows explorer can extract the archive no problem while 7zip cant...

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alfalfa140    0

Thanks for updating this so I can finally try this mod. Also, thanks for a working download sandworm.

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I might be missing something, I apologize if I am, but is there a way to see the new cost for all the parts? I keep having the problem of placing a part thinking it will be 1700, but then it turns out it's really around 50,000. Is there a list of prices somewhere?

Otherwise excellent mod

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malkuth    206
I might be missing something, I apologize if I am, but is there a way to see the new cost for all the parts? I keep having the problem of placing a part thinking it will be 1700, but then it turns out it's really around 50,000. Is there a list of prices somewhere?

Otherwise excellent mod

hi in the old version nobody replaced the old code of checking the actual cost of parts in the game and came up with a new formula that no longer uses the part cost from the Game.. The reason is because they make no sense.. And to also help support mods that you might have in the game that usually ignore the COST part in cfg file. In this update we also adjusted the formula to make the prices make a little more sense.. But we still don't use the ingame prices... IE the prices you see when you use mechjeb or Kerbal Engineer. Its all based off of a Math Formula now.

Also fuel cost are separate from the cost. So when you see the parts list talking about command pod cost etc.. Even though the formula is basing its cost of the command pod folder.. Its not using the actual cost of the parts in Kerbal Space Program.. Its all pretty complicated math.. And nobody had pretty good reasons to go with it.

Also with the new formulas.. Command Pods and Science Stuff is the most expensive things you can put on other then engines. Command pods adds about 5K per seat for kerbals. But the mission payouts should be enough to put a pretty nice vessel together and still make plenty of profit. Regular Engines like liquid are pretty decent.. But exotic engines like Nirva engine cost about 40K.. Which I have a feeling is the part your talking about that cost 1700 in the game.. Its a balance thing. :)

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malkuth    206

Here is the post by NathanKell about the cost changes he made that are in this mod now.. We will adjust the cost as we go... 70 million for mechjeb seems a little steep.. (I don't use it so I had no idea) :)

So, while I love this mod, I had real trouble with the cost balancing. Trusses shouldn't cost 10x as much as probe cores, for instance. Further, heavier items that do the same thing should cost _less_ than lighter ones in many cases, for example five Z100s vs a single Z500. The energy density is higher so the cost should be too.
Finally, in the real world the payload makes up the majority of the cost of the mission. Satellite example: $100m for the payload, $40m for the LV.
So I went ahead and rewrote the cost function to (1) consider part category and (2) consider part modules, and in doing so tried to make particularly command, utility, and science items cost far more, and structural far less. For most parts (3) I consider mass-efficiency: Reactors (treated as big RTGs) will be per-unit-of-generated-electricity more expensive since they're more efficient than the stock RTG. Same goes for fuel tanks, solar panels, batteries, etc.
This means, most importantly, that mods that add overpowered components (compared to stock) will have those components cost way _more_, not way _less_ as it stands now.
I did keep some cost for mass (i.e. construction labor and structural parts) but that is under different multipliers for different kinds of parts.
I tweaked nobody's formula for engines so that gimbal and atmo Isp are taken into account and so that mass-efficiency plays a role: the more mass efficient an engine is for its performance, the more expensive it will be--so if a mod adds an LVT-45-alike that masses only 1 ton, it will be more expensive, not the same cost (MC's current engine formula) or _less_ expensive (MC's engine formula + MC's mass formula). Jets (and the Kethane turbine) are also now included, at at 1/20 price ratio. That works out, because high-performance jets are actually more expensive than rocket engines, IIRC.

Example costs:
Octo2: 2000
Small stack probe: 1200
Mk1 pod (with DRE ablative coating): 7000
Mk1-2 pod (with DRE heat shield): 29000
Science sensor: 250
Antenna: 150
Comm Dish: 750
RemoteTech SatDish 9000: 30,000 + 700 construction
LVT-45: 4000 + 100 in construction costs
SLS Bearcat (NovaPunch; 240 thrust, extra gimballing, similar Isp, still 1.5t): 5400 + 100 construction costs.
DSM Nuclear Reactor: 601,000 + 50,000 or so in construction costs
Structural parts: a few K here and there!

A couple example pictures (note that I've doubled costs for batteries and panels since then, so increase Utility by x2)--note that the total costs should be broadly comparable to where they are in stock MC

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malkuth    206

Alright for you mechjeb users.. I found the problem.. Its not a problem with Mission Controller its a problem with mechjeb.. They have the mass set to some silly number like .0000001 which even kerbal space program can't read. (look in the description of mechjeb part and read mass... its messed up)

Change it to .05 and you will be all set.

To change it

go to \GameData\MechJeb2\Parts\MechJeb2_AR202 and open the part.cfg edit the line that says mass and change it to anything above .01.

You be all set.. you can bug the mechjeb guys to fix it if you wish. :) Ill post this in the main page as a problem too.

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Sandworm    443

Lol, I thought that the mechjeb cost (7.5million) was a deliberate penalty. I got around it by assigning the mechjeb module to a probe core.

Changing the mass might seem like an answer, but will throw the CoM on small probes.

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malkuth    206
Lol, I thought that the mechjeb cost (7.5million) was a deliberate penalty. I got around it by assinging the mechjeb module to a probe core.

Im not that mean. :) I promise.. :sticktongue:

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hi in the old version nobody replaced the old code of checking the actual cost of parts in the game and came up with a new formula that no longer uses the part cost from the Game.. The reason is because they make no sense.. And to also help support mods that you might have in the game that usually ignore the COST part in cfg file. In this update we also adjusted the formula to make the prices make a little more sense.. But we still don't use the ingame prices... IE the prices you see when you use mechjeb or Kerbal Engineer. Its all based off of a Math Formula now.

Also fuel cost are separate from the cost. So when you see the parts list talking about command pod cost etc.. Even though the formula is basing its cost of the command pod folder.. Its not using the actual cost of the parts in Kerbal Space Program.. Its all pretty complicated math.. And nobody had pretty good reasons to go with it.

Also with the new formulas.. Command Pods and Science Stuff is the most expensive things you can put on other then engines. Command pods adds about 5K per seat for kerbals. But the mission payouts should be enough to put a pretty nice vessel together and still make plenty of profit. Regular Engines like liquid are pretty decent.. But exotic engines like Nirva engine cost about 40K.. Which I have a feeling is the part your talking about that cost 1700 in the game.. Its a balance thing. :)

Yeah, that does make sense.. After reading the main post, I understood that. What I was asking is, is there any way to really see what the REAL price of each part is? Other than just subtracting the total prices before and after placing the part? Like some kind of table or something? I suspect there isn't, and I think it would be a worthwhile feature to add, if it's possible.

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Bloodbunny    9

Well, Mechjeb should still be expensive, even if its not a deliberate penalty. The Apollo computers were incredibly expensive. Plus, it forces the player to fly the ship, at least the early missions. Maybe not 7 million, but 40 - 50k

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asmi    117
I could always add hard mode back.. Its basically set to medium mode now which was the default mode.. Some things have changed in the way the code checks parts though from the original.

I think in hard mode you can actually just scale back all rewards, instead of scaling up costs.

And what about the second part of my post? (support for Modular Fuel)

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malkuth    206
Well, Mechjeb should still be expensive, even if its not a deliberate penalty. The Apollo computers were incredibly expensive. Plus, it forces the player to fly the ship, at least the early missions. Maybe not 7 million, but 40 - 50k

I might add an exception for it.. Because now I think its to cheap. And price it around 100,000 K is that to mean? I don't use mechjeb so it would never effect me.. Just would like everyone's opinion.. There are already some exceptions for remote Tech stuff.

And about the prices its a planned feature to expand on the financing... To list the parts separately in another finance window might be possible.

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malkuth    206
I think in hard mode you can actually just scale back all rewards, instead of scaling up costs.

And what about the second part of my post? (support for Modular Fuel)

I would have to see how it works I have never used that mod before.. As long as when it adjust its fuel cost and stuff it actually makes a part then mission controller should already support it. If its some internal type of thing that only gets added to the .craft file would make it a little more difficult to implement. I know it uses other fuels.. which I suspect is the problem now.. That should be easy enough to price in with the already existing fuels.. I will look into it as soon as possible. I also have to make adjustments for the iron cross mod and oxygen.. Which is a mod that I do use.

The rewards thing is a good idea.. The reason I took out the difficulties was because it was so hard to make missions around the old scale % that the old system used.. Basically the old system worked like this..

Easy mode was .68 % of Medium

Hard Mode was 1.5 % of Medium.

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I might add an exception for it.. Because now I think its to cheap. And price it around 100,000 K is that to mean? I don't use mechjeb so it would never effect me.. Just would like everyone's opinion.. There are already some exceptions for remote Tech stuff.

And about the prices its a planned feature to expand on the financing... To list the parts separately in another finance window might be possible.

Somewhere more along the lines of 20-30k, maybe 40-50k would be agreeable to me.

Any chance we can get an easy/medium/hard mode? I havn't had a chance to play 0.11 yet, but in the old mod medium was too expensive for my liking, too restrictive. Easy was better without giving you too much money.

What I would really like, even if it means ignoring everything I just said, would be to disallow (or add the option to disallow) the ability to borrow money. Just knowing that I can go into the red kinda spoils the point of things for me, it dilutes the motivation.

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malkuth    206
Somewhere more along the lines of 20-30k, maybe 40-50k would be agreeable to me.

Any chance we can get an easy/medium/hard mode? I havn't had a chance to play 0.11 yet, but in the old mod medium was too expensive for my liking, too restrictive. Easy was better without giving you too much money.

What I would really like, even if it means ignoring everything I just said, would be to disallow (or add the option to disallow) the ability to borrow money. Just knowing that I can go into the red kinda spoils the point of things for me, it dilutes the motivation.

The money thing is a planned feature.. I plan on expanding it to something along the lines if you go into the red.... Then 25% gets taken off your Mission payouts until back into green.. To simulate paying back a loan or something...

Right now Im working on adding other fuels. So far I added support for Iron Cross mod and oxygen. What I need from people that play the modular fuel mod is to give me a small explination of what is more expensive ect. I don't play the mod but would like to add support for instance out of the three fuels in Modular Fuel Mod whats more expensive? Which is cheaper.. And which one should be Middle fuel.. Keep in mind that I won't touch the LiquidFuel values because not everyone uses modular Fuel Tanks mod.. So base it around that fuel cost. I take it LiquidOxygen and LiquidH20 replace Oxidizer? So maybe base it around that? Not sure.

LiquidFuel

LiquidOxygen

LiquidH2O

Thanks save me time learning the mod and stuff and just be able to add it in real quick like.

Easy option not sure. The missions payout pretty well.. At least my mission packs do.. Medium should net you enough money.. And if you recycle.. Its even better.

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