etheoma Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Sorry realized you needed to use the unshielded procedural part to get the cryro balloons Edited June 10, 2016 by etheoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Starwaster said: Post logs please. Consult the following thread if you don't know where your logs are. (and yes you have logs even if you're not experiencing crashes unless you disabled logging) I disabled logging ages ago. 7 hours ago, blowfish said: How do you know it's RF? Because I never had this issue without RF and it disappeared after I uninstalled RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowfish Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Antonio432 said: I disabled logging ages ago. Logs are pretty much required to debug issues like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 8 hours ago, Antonio432 said: I disabled logging ages ago. Because I never had this issue without RF and it disappeared after I uninstalled RF. Well guess what. Other people can use Real Fuels and Procedural Parts and WE don't experience the problem that you are so it looks less like Real Fuels 'bugging' Procedural Parts and more like a problem with your installation. But so far I don't see anyone in a hurry to play guessing games as to what your problem is. And that's basically what you're asking us to do. So either reproduce the problem with logging enabled and provide logs as detailed in the post I referred you to or start doing standard troubleshooting procedures on your own: Start over from the beginning and reinstall everything from scratch, starting with just KSP + Module Manager + Real Fuels + Procedural Parts. Make sure to redownload the latest of everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 15 hours ago, Starwaster said: Well guess what. Other people can use Real Fuels and Procedural Parts and WE don't experience the problem that you are so it looks less like Real Fuels 'bugging' Procedural Parts and more like a problem with your installation. But so far I don't see anyone in a hurry to play guessing games as to what your problem is. And that's basically what you're asking us to do. So either reproduce the problem with logging enabled and provide logs as detailed in the post I referred you to or start doing standard troubleshooting procedures on your own: Start over from the beginning and reinstall everything from scratch, starting with just KSP + Module Manager + Real Fuels + Procedural Parts. Make sure to redownload the latest of everything. I will enable logging and do some testing around. I reinstalled literaly ALL mods I had to be sure if it has something to do with the installation. I will reply once I'm finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 On 11.06.2016. at 9:40 AM, Starwaster said: Well guess what. Other people can use Real Fuels and Procedural Parts and WE don't experience the problem that you are so it looks less like Real Fuels 'bugging' Procedural Parts and more like a problem with your installation. But so far I don't see anyone in a hurry to play guessing games as to what your problem is. And that's basically what you're asking us to do. So either reproduce the problem with logging enabled and provide logs as detailed in the post I referred you to or start doing standard troubleshooting procedures on your own: Start over from the beginning and reinstall everything from scratch, starting with just KSP + Module Manager + Real Fuels + Procedural Parts. Make sure to redownload the latest of everything. For some reason the website crashes whenever I send the log. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowfish Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Antonio432 said: For some reason the website crashes whenever I send the log. You can upload to Dropbox or Google Drive, share, and post the link. That's the usual strategy. Edited June 12, 2016 by blowfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 2 hours ago, blowfish said: You can upload to Dropbox or Google Drive, share, and post the link. That's the usual strategy. I have put the file on "My disc" on Google Drive but I don't know what to do with it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowfish Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Antonio432 said: I have put the file on "My disc" on Google Drive but I don't know what to do with it now. From Google Drive in your browser, right click the file and select "Get Shareable Link" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 1 minute ago, blowfish said: From Google Drive in your browser, right click the file and select "Get Shareable Link" In that case, my log is at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8o3_OKhDQ4aamlUekh1SnAtRjQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Antonio432 said: In that case, my log is at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8o3_OKhDQ4aamlUekh1SnAtRjQ Ok I was just sitting down to look things over but a major lightning storm swept through and I had to do an emergency shutdown so maybe later. Can't do much from a mobile phone. One thing though... Did I see tweak scale? Might want to try without that. It's caused problems before. Or update it if it's not the latest version. Even if it's not the culprit here though, be aware that it's causing issues elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 12 hours ago, Starwaster said: Ok I was just sitting down to look things over but a major lightning storm swept through and I had to do an emergency shutdown so maybe later. Can't do much from a mobile phone. One thing though... Did I see tweak scale? Might want to try without that. It's caused problems before. Or update it if it's not the latest version. Even if it's not the culprit here though, be aware that it's causing issues elsewhere. I'm currently busy so I am unable to immediately try anything but I'll remove tweakscale, I did feel a bit cheaty with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Antonio432 said: I'm currently busy so I am unable to immediately try anything but I'll remove tweakscale, I did feel a bit cheaty with it. I tried duplicating your issue with Tweak Scale installed but I wasn't successful. Definitely had the same version you have installed (so it's the latest version of TS). I noticed in your log that there was an error in KSPAPIExtensions, apparently when you were editing a procedural SRB? Is that what you were doing when trying to change shape/size? Also, could you provide your ModuleManager.ConfigCache? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Starwaster said: I tried duplicating your issue with Tweak Scale installed but I wasn't successful. Definitely had the same version you have installed (so it's the latest version of TS). I noticed in your log that there was an error in KSPAPIExtensions, apparently when you were editing a procedural SRB? Is that what you were doing when trying to change shape/size? Also, could you provide your ModuleManager.ConfigCache? Yes, I tried to edit a procedural SRB, couldn't get it's diameter below 1m and the "change shape" function disappeared too. I'm not 100% sure what do you mean by ModuleManager.ConfigCache but I posted the Module Manager configs from Procedural parts folder, I hope that is what you meant: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8o3_OKhDQ4aSjh2Ym04dzh2dzQ&usp=sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor831 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Antonio432 said: Yes, I tried to edit a procedural SRB, couldn't get it's diameter below 1m and the "change shape" function disappeared too. I'm not 100% sure what do you mean by ModuleManager.ConfigCache but I posted the Module Manager configs from Procedural parts folder, I hope that is what you meant: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8o3_OKhDQ4aSjh2Ym04dzh2dzQ&usp=sharing ModuleManager.ConfigCache is a text file in the /GameData/ folder of your install. It's basically the finalized parts and nodes that ModuleManager makes written out, so anyone who needs to can look in the final part/node structure and troubleshoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, Raptor831 said: ModuleManager.ConfigCache is a text file in the /GameData/ folder of your install. It's basically the finalized parts and nodes that ModuleManager makes written out, so anyone who needs to can look in the final part/node structure and troubleshoot. I don't have it. pretty sure I'd notice it if it was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 54 minutes ago, Antonio432 said: I don't have it. pretty sure I'd notice it if it was there. It's not there because of errors in the DeadlyReentry.cfg file that are preventing the cache from being written. Download this file and copy it into the DeadlyReentry folder, overwriting the existing file: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Starwaster/DeadlyReentry/master/DeadlyReentry/DeadlyReentry.cfg Then run KSP once and then you'll be able to get the ModuleManager.ConfigCache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Starwaster said: It's not there because of errors in the DeadlyReentry.cfg file that are preventing the cache from being written. Download this file and copy it into the DeadlyReentry folder, overwriting the existing file: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Starwaster/DeadlyReentry/master/DeadlyReentry/DeadlyReentry.cfg Then run KSP once and then you'll be able to get the ModuleManager.ConfigCache I'm pretty sure Module Manager did mention 5 errors concerning Deadly reentry config. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) @Antonio432 I think I've managed to repro some of your issue but the issue I encountered wasn't that I wasn't able to edit shapes when I should have been able to or unable to resize to sizes that should have been available. It was that I was able to do those things when I should NOT have been able to. There are both minimum and maximum sizes early on in career mode and only the cylinder shape is supposed to be available. What I think is the cause is Kerbal Construction time. When unlocking nodes it enforces a delay to simulate research time and there's probably a race condition in there where Procedural Parts thinks that tech has been unlocked but then has that taken away so it starts enforcing shape/size. (takes away the shape control and changes the min/max values on length/diameter) Edit: And the errors may or may not be a factor.... the PP error will result in thrust not being updated in the VAB/SPH but it corrects itself if the craft is reloaded or the editor exited/reentered. So I don't *think* it's a problem but.... Edited June 13, 2016 by Starwaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant432 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Starwaster said: @Antonio432 I think I've managed to repro some of your issue but the issue I encountered wasn't that I wasn't able to edit shapes when I should have been able to or unable to resize to sizes that should have been available. It was that I was able to do those things when I should NOT have been able to. There are both minimum and maximum sizes early on in career mode and only the cylinder shape is supposed to be available. What I think is the cause is Kerbal Construction time. When unlocking nodes it enforces a delay to simulate research time and there's probably a race condition in there where Procedural Parts thinks that tech has been unlocked but then has that taken away so it starts enforcing shape/size. (takes away the shape control and changes the min/max values on length/diameter) Edit: And the errors may or may not be a factor.... the PP error will result in thrust not being updated in the VAB/SPH but it corrects itself if the craft is reloaded or the editor exited/reentered. So I don't *think* it's a problem but.... KCT can't be the issue, since I added it when i was reinstalling my mods, and I didn't have it when I encountered the issue first time. Btw, i used ckan for my mod installs, if that matters in any way. I was able to aquire a ModuleManager.ConfigCache though: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8o3_OKhDQ4aOTVFbm56WWZjWVk/view?usp=sharing Edited June 13, 2016 by Antonio432 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub3350 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) I had been playing a game with RSS, SMURFF, and procedural tanks (got used to them playing RO and can't go back), and I had monkeyed with the procedural tank size limitations for career mode, and it worked fine. Now that I've installed real fuels and the stock configs (this is not an RO install), the tank limits have gone back to their annoyingly tiny upgrade steps. Is there a config somewhere I can mess with? I've been unable to find it. Edited June 15, 2016 by jdub3350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 In the PP configs look in the TECHLIMIT nodes. Look for lengthMin, lengthMax, diameterMin, diameterMax, volumeMin and volumeMax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub3350 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 48 minutes ago, Starwaster said: In the PP configs look in the TECHLIMIT nodes. Look for lengthMin, lengthMax, diameterMin, diameterMax, volumeMin and volumeMax I had those modified, then installed Real Fuels and they appear to now be secondary to something else? As best I can tell at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 1 hour ago, jdub3350 said: I had those modified, then installed Real Fuels and they appear to now be secondary to something else? As best I can tell at least. Real Fuels doesn't touch any of those values at all. Or the TECHLIMIT nodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub3350 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 12 minutes ago, Starwaster said: Real Fuels doesn't touch any of those values at all. Or the TECHLIMIT nodes Well then...I'll give it another shot. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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