[1.8.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [20.0][10/11/2019]

[sslaptnhablhat 214]

29 minutes ago, iplayksp said:

I'm trying to build Zarya and Zvezda for my ISS. What parts would I want to use for them?

You'd want to use the FGB parts for Zarya and the DOS parts for Zvezda. At the moment you can't perfectly recreate Zvezda (colour schemes-wise), but you can create a very accurate Zarya as of the recent FGB revamp. Just fiddle around with various configurations of parts until you create something you like.

[Beale 13,506]

1 minute ago, sslaptnhablhat said:

 At the moment you can't perfectly recreate Zvezda (colour schemes-wise)

So about this

[iplayksp 42]

13 minutes ago, Beale said:

So about this

About What...

[Barzon 719]

The colouring being wrong to make a Zvesda. I think @Beale is hinting at new textures for those parts.

[Beale 13,506]

Added some basic Zvezda and Zarya craft files, it turns out I have them lying around.

Maybe better ones to come in future.


 

[iplayksp 42]

3 minutes ago, Beale said:

Added some basic Zvezda and Zarya craft files, it turns out I have them lying around.

Maybe better ones to come in future.


 

ooh

10 minutes ago, Barzon Kerman said:

The colouring being wrong to make a Zvesda. I think @Beale is hinting at new textures for those parts.

That's Exciting.

[sslaptnhablhat 214]

The Zenit is severely overpowered even compared to Soyuz, a completely stock Zenit with a Progress cargo ship payload has ~8,000m/s ∆v. I have to reduce the fuel in the first stage by 40%, the thrust of the first stage engine by 50% and the fuel in the second stage by 70% to get a decent-feeling rocket.

Edited March 27 by sslaptnhablhat
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[unclepirog 18]

5 hours ago, sslaptnhablhat said:

The Zenit is severely overpowered even compared to Soyuz, a completely stock Zenit with a Progress cargo ship payload has ~8,000m/s ∆v. I have to reduce the fuel in the first stage by 40%, the thrust of the first stage engine by 50% and the fuel in the second stage by 70% to get a decent-feeling rocket.

Btw, RL Zenit is capable to lift twice as much payload to LEO (~14t vs ~7t of Soyuz)

[Z3R0_0NL1N3 136]

All the rockets are overpowered. I understand Beale's reasoning, but maybe there's a way to make a MM patch that automatically reduces fuel and thrust to more realistic amounts.

[Beale 13,506]

12 hours ago, sslaptnhablhat said:

The Zenit is severely overpowered even compared to Soyuz, a completely stock Zenit with a Progress cargo ship payload has ~8,000m/s ∆v. I have to reduce the fuel in the first stage by 40%, the thrust of the first stage engine by 50% and the fuel in the second stage by 70% to get a decent-feeling rocket.

Yep, as mentioned the Zenit is a quite a lot more capable. 8,000m/s sounds a lot, but I think the Soyuz is quite light-weight.

I'll investigate, but it could be totally correct currently.

Does the 8,000m/s include the Soyuz itself?

3 hours ago, Z3R0_0NL1N3 said:

All the rockets are overpowered. I understand Beale's reasoning, but maybe there's a way to make a MM patch that automatically reduces fuel and thrust to more realistic amounts.

S.m.u.r.f.f. is probably an easier workaround for this case - as a bonus it would bring all the stock parts down to realistic amounts also so you have a balanced playing field.

Edited March 27 by Beale

[sslaptnhablhat 214]

41 minutes ago, Beale said:

Yep, as mentioned the Zenit is a quite a lot more capable. 8,000m/s sounds a lot, but I think the Soyuz is quite light-weight.

I'll investigate, but it could be totally correct currently.

Does the 8,000m/s include the Soyuz itself?

Nope, with a Soyuz it goes up to ~9,000m/s and with a Progress it's higher still, ~10,000m/s. I failed to mention I have SMURFF installed with default settings because the Proton feels comparably underpowered mostly in the area of specific impulse. I did a direct comparison with Proton, Zenit has 8,500m/s ∆v with a TKS payload whereas Proton has just over 8,400m/s, including the couple hundred m/s ∆v in the TKS.

[Beale 13,506]

42 minutes ago, sslaptnhablhat said:

Nope, with a Soyuz it goes up to ~9,000m/s and with a Progress it's higher still, ~10,000m/s. I failed to mention I have SMURFF installed with default settings because the Proton feels comparably underpowered mostly in the area of specific impulse. I did a direct comparison with Proton, Zenit has 8,500m/s ∆v with a TKS payload whereas Proton has just over 8,400m/s, including the couple hundred m/s ∆v in the TKS.

Okay that's very wrong, are you using thr latest github ver. Or official release? There are major balance fixes in the pipeline IIRC

[sslaptnhablhat 214]

2 minutes ago, Beale said:

Okay that's very wrong, are you using thr latest github ver. Or official release? There are major balance fixes in the pipeline IIRC

I'm using the latest official release of TantaresLV.

[Beale 13,506]

1 minute ago, sslaptnhablhat said:

I'm using the latest official release of TantaresLV.

Thanks, okay release incoming soon.

[Callistoan 9]

Are there any updates on Kliper or anything? While I love Polyus, I have been really hoping to have a counterpart to my mini American spaceplane. 

[Deltac 712]

43 minutes ago, Callistoan said:

Are there any updates on Kliper or anything?

I think Beale wants to avoid space planes.  The biggest issue would be having a space plane on the front of your soyuz.  It will flip the rocket!  The solution would be to have a folding wing Kliper that can then fit in a custom fairing assembly.  That of course would require that plugin that turns off the aerodynamic forces for wings, and Beale doesn't want to require other mods.

[sslaptnhablhat 214]

54 minutes ago, Callistoan said:

Are there any updates on Kliper or anything? While I love Polyus, I have been really hoping to have a counterpart to my mini American spaceplane. 

Yuck, Kliper, it's a ugly fat cone with wings! MAKS was the best/most interesting Russian spaceplane concept in my opinion.

But as stated above and a few times throughout the thread, Beale isn't going to be making spaceplanes any time soon, if ever.

[sslaptnhablhat 214]

I've just realised that yesterday was the 50th anniversary of the first Meteor satellite launch and also the 7th anniversary of its' deorbit.

[Beale 13,506]

3 hours ago, Callistoan said:

Are there any updates on Kliper or anything? While I love Polyus, I have been really hoping to have a counterpart to my mini American spaceplane. 

I'd like to do it in future, it's just a scenario like:

• Easy to use
• Useful
• Good aerodynamics

Pick two

2 hours ago, Deltac said:

I think Beale wants to avoid space planes.  The biggest issue would be having a space plane on the front of your soyuz.  It will flip the rocket!  The solution would be to have a folding wing Kliper that can then fit in a custom fairing assembly.  That of course would require that plugin that turns off the aerodynamic forces for wings, and Beale doesn't want to require other mods.

Surprisingly not true, there is no real obstacle to it, just kind of low priority.

2 hours ago, sslaptnhablhat said:

I've just realised that yesterday was the 50th anniversary of the first Meteor satellite launch and also the 7th anniversary of its' deorbit.

A date to remember

 

 

[sslaptnhablhat 214]

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I see Kosmos coming along nicely. Are you also planning the red or blue-topped fairing?

EDIT: Actually, it appears as though the fairing is actually dark grey with a white chequered-pattern, and a red or blue top.

Edited March 27 by sslaptnhablhat

[Beale 13,506]

23 minutes ago, sslaptnhablhat said:

I see Kosmos coming along nicely. Are you also planning the red or blue-topped fairing?

If people want it, sure.

 

 

[Callistoan 9]

5 hours ago, Beale said:

kind of low priority.

I am sorry to keep asking questions, I just love Tantares. It is a really good mod that I have used for a long time and appreciate the effort you put into it. What are some high priority goals or things we can expect in future updates apart from launchers?

[Beale 13,506]

8 hours ago, Callistoan said:

I am sorry to keep asking questions, I just love Tantares. It is a really good mod that I have used for a long time and appreciate the effort you put into it. What are some high priority goals or things we can expect in future updates apart from launchers?

Sure thing - in the pipeline (Non launch vehicles):

• LK lander rework (Two stage/single stage options).
• Tidy up of MIR core module parts (More options for ISS).
• Thermal Blanket Soyuz.
• Some Mir-1.5 / Mir-2 parts.

More general ideas:

• Larger lander (LEK?)
• Mars excursion vehicle
• Mars 96 - basically a variation on Fobos.

And a few things from @TK-313 now I remember  

• VA LES
• Fixed / standardised fairings for all DOS / FGB modules. (I didn't forget! ) 

Edited March 28 by Beale

[tjsnh 475]

On 3/28/2019 at 4:26 AM, Beale said:

Sure thing - in the pipeline (Non launch vehicles):

• LK lander rework (Two stage/single stage options).
• Tidy up of MIR core module parts (More options for ISS).
• Thermal Blanket Soyuz.
• Some Mir-1.5 / Mir-2 parts.

More general ideas:

• Larger lander (LEK?)
• Mars excursion vehicle
• Mars 96 - basically a variation on Fobos.

And a few things from @TK-313 now I remember  

• VA LES
• Fixed / standardised fairings for all DOS / FGB modules. (I didn't forget! ) 

Is that 1.875m/etc R7 bulge tank and 2nd stage still in the works?

Edited March 29 by tjsnh

[Beale 13,506]

24 minutes ago, tjsnh said:

Is that 1.875m/etc R7 bulge tank and 2nd stage still in the works?

Yes, key part of the above post

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in the pipeline (Non launch vehicles)

Ah I'm just being an ass Yes, R7 rework is immediately on the way along with the Kosmos!