[1.1.2] Kerbin-Side (v1.1.0) & Supplements

[AlphaAsh]

Thanks for the fast update!

I'm not sure thanks for the array of lights at the West end of the KSC main runway... My stopping distance sometimes exceeds even the already-very-generous runway...

I'm having second thoughts about the lights after I just fudged up a landing testing 1.0.4. What I might do is look at certain additions to KSC only appearing as related facilities get upgraded. It's something I need to do for the VAB helipad spawn point anyway.

[AlphaAsh]

v1.4 of Kerbin-SideJobs Contracts Pack now available from KerbalStuff.

Changelog:

- Contract sequence logic improvements.

- Jeb's Airport no longer generated as a destination.

- Many contract parameters more clearly labelled.

Feedback on challenge, failure and success and of course bugs appreciated. I'm still getting used to CC's functionality and need more testing than my own, so if you try any of these, come and let me know how it goes, thank you.

[Rory Yammomoto]

Dear AlphaAsh,

I have a request (do you take requests?):launch sites in massive buildings, something like the crazy Japanese arcology visions that have pooped up over the years. Or maybe put one in a tall bulding, or even flying above somewhere. I love your work, but it does need one more thing: MOAR LAUNCHSITES

Edit: some inspirations:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimizu_Mega-City_Pyramid

Edited June 25, 2015 by Rory Yammomoto

[AlphaAsh]

If you haven't noticed missing or corrupted textures, which is quite possible, then you're safe to not bother with this update.

KerbinSide (All of it In 1) v1.0.2 available from KerbalStuff.

Changelog:

- Added some missing textures.

- Fixed some corrupted textures.

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...

I don't do requests, no, but will add your suggestions to the 'might be fun to do something like this' file.

[Fengist]

Hi Alpha,

I'm the Dev for the Maritime Pack. A mutual user of both of our mods reported some compatibility issues between the two mods. Sorry it's taken me a few days but I thought perhaps that if I were going to post a compatibility issue that perhaps I should investigate myself, especially since you'd been courteous enough to do the same.

I can confirm that there are issues, exactly as the user described them. While some of the vessels created with my pack launch at the buoy just fine, others appear to be submerged several hundred meters. I've looked over the .craft files and I see nothing out of the ordinary. Since you know your mod better than I and since mine is a pure part pack (with the exception of FS and it's only used to spin the propellers) I thought I'd give you some craft files to test and see if you you can reproduce the same results.

RoRo Test.craft - This vessel seems to launch at the buoy without issue.

CVE Test.craft - This vessel immediately explodes upon launching.

KK Test.craft - This is a much stripped down copy of the CVE craft file and it launches many meters underwater. This is only 5 parts so it may be easier to diagnose the issue.

Here's some pics of my testing.

The RoRo with a non-issue launch at the buoy.

The CVE prior to launch

The CVE after launching at the buoy.

The KK test craft file several seconds after launch. Here it's just breaking the surface after being launched underwater.

[AlphaAsh]

Eskandare's bouy launch works on a very simple principle. It sticks an invisible platform with a collider under the water, and the spawn point just above the water mark. I suspect what we're seeing here is an issue of clearance between the spawn point and the collider - the method just doesn't work for certain water vessels, in some cases with explosive consequences.

I appreciate the research Fengist. I don't think I need to explain my issue with the initial report I had to deal wth; my main concern was the report about the launch on KSC's runway, since I'd already come to the above conclusion I just made and really am not that worried about it. However, if firespitter's water launching system is used to get around the issue of the water bouys, then yes, very old compatibility issues between firespitter and Kerbal Konstructs may well crop up.

For your reference, this is the full report I got of the issues:

1.0 looks cool, but I don't think I'll reinstall as it seemed that KK was very much summoning the kraken when used with Fengist's Maritime Pack (look at page 11 and 12 of the thread and you can see what I mean).

I did take a look at page 11 and 12 of the thread but didn't spend time using all of the parts for my tests, so probably missed those that rely on code.

I still don't think this is a blanket case of your parts pack isn't compatible with Kerbal Konstructs however. And my disproving of issues with the KSC runway I'll still stand by. Hope that doesn't come off too blunt chap.

Edited June 26, 2015 by AlphaAsh
bouy bouy bouy; edit 2 - clarity

[Spacepetscompany]

A bit of a look at some of the new assets I'm making for the next release of Kerbinside

Textures are still very much so W.I.P., Models are subject to change.

[Fengist]

4...the method just doesn't work for certain water vessels, in some cases with explosive consequences.

..I still don't think this is a blanket case of your parts pack isn't compatible with Kerbal Konstructs however. And my disproving of issues with the KSC runway I'll still stand by. Hope that doesn't come off too blunt chap.

I did not test with any location other than the buoy, which was enough evidence for me. Oh, I did launch a ship on the carrier successfully. It sounds like there are known issues with the buoy location and that some ships created with Maritime may have problems with it. I'll just make a note in my OP that there are issues with Oceania. Thanks for your time.

[MoeKitsune]

I'm guessing a farm in the grasslands?

[clivman]

Why isn't ocean odyssey platform at the equator? Isn't that the whole point of Sea Launch?

[AlphaAsh]

Why isn't ocean odyssey platform at the equator? Isn't that the whole point of Sea Launch?

I don't know. What was the point of what? I only work here. You're welcome? I need another letter Bob. If I got any more random this post would degenerate into elephants. Large elephants.

Edited June 27, 2015 by AlphaAsh
I forgot why I was editing this post. I need my pills.

[Beetlecat]

I'm having second thoughts about the lights after I just fudged up a landing testing 1.0.4. What I might do is look at certain additions to KSC only appearing as related facilities get upgraded. It's something I need to do for the VAB helipad spawn point anyway.

Heh... It was a lightly "kidding" question about the lights, but a large number of aircraft users will have the same thoughts. I like the idea of having them, though -- maybe space the whole array way, way out, and leave a path down the middle (with a nice shrubbery!)? That would solve the not-enough runway issue.

[juanml82]

Ok, you don't do requests, but how about one or two other equatorial launch sites? One in the continent across Booster Bay to recovery suborbital and failed flights and another which isn't next to a body of water so water landing isn't a problem if you overshoot the destination

[AlphaAsh]

Ok, you don't do requests, but how about one or two other equatorial launch sites? One in the continent across Booster Bay to recovery suborbital and failed flights and another which isn't next to a body of water so water landing isn't a problem if you overshoot the destination

Seems reasonable. I think there's a few bases that are 'near-equatorial' already and the common request is for more global coverage and less equatorial but that's a goal that can ever really be achieved to everyones satisfaction, unless I start using a repetitive template which I'd get very bored with.

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Heh... It was a lightly "kidding" question about the lights, but a large number of aircraft users will have the same thoughts. I like the idea of having them, though -- maybe space the whole array way, way out, and leave a path down the middle (with a nice shrubbery!)? That would solve the not-enough runway issue.

Good idea. A light array with a gap down the middle. I'll probably do something like this.

[colmo]

This is maybe more for Konstructs, but are there any bridge assets in development? There's a few river gorges that would look the part with a bridge over them, especially once the new system allowing seamless roads and rails happens.

[blowfish]

This is maybe more for Konstructs, but are there any bridge assets in development? There's a few river gorges that would look the part with a bridge over them, especially once the new system allowing seamless roads and rails happens.

Bridges would look cool but there are two problems with them:

1) They're almost exclusively aesthetic, with little practical use for things you'd actually do in KSP

2) They have to be fit to the terrain very carefully, which is difficult because there's no way to see KSP's terrain in a modeling program.

[colmo]

Bridges would look cool but there are two problems with them:

1) They're almost exclusively aesthetic, with little practical use for things you'd actually do in KSP

2) They have to be fit to the terrain very carefully, which is difficult because there's no way to see KSP's terrain in a modeling program.

I perceived the ends of the bridge as simply clipping into the terrain. Getting the length right is trickier, maybe requiring multiple sections, reliant on the seamless feature update. Height isn't an issue, just give it long pillars sufficient to clip into sea/riverbed.

Edit: I asked about this 6 months ago then forgot! Still, with the snappoint system, much more feasible now.

Edited June 28, 2015 by colmo

[Dante Montana]

Hello

With KSP 1.04 coming up I installed KerbinSide again to have some places to fly at. AlphaAsh, very nice work, Thanks for sharing.

The mod adds that, what is really missing in KSP.

As I tested all runways to have a look what is new to have fun with I had weird behavior starting a newly spawned plane from eg. Lushlands or Lodnie Isles.

When hitting the "s" key to pull the plane up it began to roll. The logfile is clean.

All I found is this entry when spawning a vessel at Lodnie Isles: [LOG 19:44:20.424] [RA1.1]: ground contact! - error: -1.044m

Looked into ksideairstripv24.cfg and there is an entry: mesh = ksairstripv24.mu. But this file is missing. Is this mesh file needed or did I mess up the installation?

[AlphaAsh]

Bridges would look cool but there are two problems with them:

1) They're almost exclusively aesthetic, with little practical use for things you'd actually do in KSP

2) They have to be fit to the terrain very carefully, which is difficult because there's no way to see KSP's terrain in a modeling program.

3 - They look a little daft without a road or similar connection at each end. But then any statics do and this isn't really a problem I'm likely to ever fix

I like bridges a lot and they've been on the 'to do' list for a long time. I'll probably bump them up that list though.

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All I found is this entry when spawning a vessel at Lodnie Isles: [LOG 19:44:20.424] [RA1.1]: ground contact! - error: -1.044m

Looked into ksideairstripv24.cfg and there is an entry: mesh = ksairstripv24.mu. But this file is missing. Is this mesh file needed or did I mess up the installation?

That is an odd one. Let me just check the file inventory and I'll get back to you.

EDIT - Hmm. That file is in the latest KerbinSide release (1.0.2) so I think you may have b0rked your install. Fish the file out of the zip, put it where it should be and then see if you can reproduce the error.

Edited June 28, 2015 by AlphaAsh

[colmo]

3 - They look a little daft without a road or similar connection at each end.

The snappoint system could allow flush fitting of roads to bridge ends, instead of clipping into terrain.

Then there's railway bridges... We've been trying to nail trains for years, and this would help a lot!

[AlphaAsh]

I perceived the ends of the bridge as simply clipping into the terrain. Getting the length right is trickier, maybe requiring multiple sections, reliant on the seamless feature update. Height isn't an issue, just give it long pillars sufficient to clip into sea/riverbed.

Edit: I asked about this 6 months ago then forgot! Still, with the snappoint system, much more feasible now.

You're sort of right. Unfortunately the snappoint system is very limited with origin to origin only at the moment and I'm taking a break from trying to improve it whilst I repair the damage to my study caused by my last rage-quit and get therapy and anger-management classes. Yeah, it's been like that.

[colmo]

No pressure, I'm aware snappoints are very early at the moment. Modder burnout has claimed more than one statics mod...

[Dante Montana]

.........

EDIT - Hmm. That file is in the latest KerbinSide release (1.0.2) so I think you may have b0rked your install. Fish the file out of the zip, put it where it should be and then see if you can reproduce the error.

Thanks for your advise. It seems that I deleted the file from the zip. Downloaded it again and hey there it is. Sorry for taking your time. My fault.

So now it´s time to launch.

Edit:

I´m using mechjeb2 and so I wrote a custom "LandingSites.cfg" for all Kerbinside runways to have some autopilot guidance.

Also includes 1 Kerbinside Helipad for the landing guidance as an example how to create such.

Most runways tested and optimized for 3° landing (when it´s possible due to landscape) in both ways.

Now I´m a little bit short in time, so I think the 2 or 3 unoptimized (MJ2 does its job) and the optimised will give you

a good autopilot guidance with MJ2/Kerbinside. Have fun testing these.

MechJeb2Landing
{
    LandingSites
    {    
        Site
        {
            name = KSHP Blue Bay
            latitude = 1.887987
            longitude = -11.213193
            body = Kerbin
        }
    }
    Runways
    {
        Runway    
        {
            name = Dundards Edge Runway
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 44.271561
                longitude = -132.002904
                altitude = 526.30
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 44.119533
                longitude = -132.013210
                altitude = 528.49
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Kerman Lake
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 11.278595
                longitude = -63.526002
                altitude = 36.49
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 11.139395
                longitude = -63.430394
                altitude = 39.05
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Lushlands
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 2.156206
                longitude = 26.611079
                altitude = 772.01
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 2.320603
                longitude = 26.645560
                altitude = 774.57
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Lake Dermal
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 22.704161
                longitude = -120.939559
                altitude = 559.84
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 22.826780
                longitude = -121.063813
                altitude = 562.41
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Lodnie Isles
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 29.738522
                longitude = 14.198230
                altitude = 437.63
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 29.596387
                longitude = 14.301934
                altitude = 440.21
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = South Pole Station
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -84.739485
                longitude = 142.730562
                altitude = 28.81
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -84.659649
                longitude = 143.843950
                altitude = 30.36
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Kerbins Bottom
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -50.489709
                longitude = 170.580098
                altitude = 104.16
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -50.475496
                longitude = 170.670272
                altitude = 104.51
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Black Krags
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 11.319460
                longitude = -87.687574
                altitude = 322.96
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 11.259869
                longitude = -87.695432
                altitude = 323.30
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = The Shelf
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -53.816164
                longitude = -162.094996
                altitude = 313.56
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -53.853296
                longitude = -162.013609
                altitude = 313.89
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = South Point
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -17.821461
                longitude = 166.427243
                altitude = 233.53
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -17.865181
                longitude = 166.384622
                altitude = 233.86
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Coaler Crater
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 35.428186
                longitude = -98.906384
                altitude = 66.86
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 35.389337
                longitude = -98.965460
                altitude = 67.22
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = KSC_2A
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 20.652931
                longitude = -146.438953
                altitude = 426.36
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 20.526399
                longitude = -146.477948
                altitude = 427.84
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = KSC_2B
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 20.679779
                longitude = -146.587277
                altitude = 428.65
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 20.520335
                longitude = -146.569801
                altitude = 429.68
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Area 110011
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 10.650725
                longitude = -132.094433
                altitude = 330.16
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 10.311736
                longitude = -132.342986
                altitude = 345.77
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Green Coast
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -3.493135
                longitude = 179.090357
                altitude = 220.38
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -3.423834
                longitude = 179.208385
                altitude = 221.98
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Polar RC
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 79.568807
                longitude = -77.414464
                altitude = 31.28
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 79.463209
                longitude = -77.543363
                altitude = 32.43
            }
        }        
        Runway    
        {
            name = South Hope
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -49.790065
                longitude = 16.993573
                altitude = 257.27
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -49.579636
                longitude = 16.958705
                altitude = 260.80
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Round Range
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -6.012029
                longitude = 99.388810
                altitude = 1246.81
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -6.030616
                longitude = 99.534557
                altitude = 1248.46
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Seas End
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -34.119058
                longitude = 79.805124
                altitude = 4.43
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -34.136687
                longitude = 79.929093
                altitude = 5.65
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Dull Spot
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 63.890455
                longitude = -172.43606
                altitude = 424.02
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 63.975787
                longitude = -172.294374
                altitude = 425.21
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Goldpool
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -1.101231
                longitude = 17.367110
                altitude = 10.55
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -0.995405
                longitude = 17.371496
                altitude = 11.79
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Hanbert Cape
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = -22.603277
                longitude = -140.253017
                altitude = 1.78
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = -22.498952
                longitude = -140.233645
                altitude = 2.95
            }
        }
        Runway    
        {
            name = Sanctuary Mouth
            body = Kerbin
            start
            {
                latitude = 23.680483
                longitude = -39.953439
                altitude = 11.06
            }
            end
            {
                latitude = 23.671297
                longitude = -40.068590
                altitude = 12.28
            }
        }
    }
}

Edited July 7, 2015 by Dante Montana
added 5 runways that are found under "other"

[AlphaAsh]

There has been a licence update, which you can find in the OP.

This will allow distribution of your own base packs using the assets of KerbinSide.

If you have any queries concerning this, post in this thread or feel free to PM me.

Official plug-in support for exporting and importing of custom bases is still in the works.

[skykooler]

Suggestion: Could you put some information about what the Kerbin-SideJobs contract pack is in the first post? I've read back about 10 pages and still can't find a description.