[WIN] TED - KSP Tech Tree Editor - v0.2.4 ALPHA [EARLY TESTING]

[Cdr_Zeta]

Hi,

Hope this works as is there any other way to add/remove parts in nodes (besides treeloader?) Just as a note I am using Treeloader/Edit to port BETA parts using KSP v24; and use the upgraded tree in BETA .

Zeta

[sherkaner]

Hope this tool is still being developed. I'm having some issues creating a tech tree for TechManager:

• Each node has a "techID" attribute which Tree Editor doesn't seem to populate properly. I found a bunch of stock-looking values in those, even though I had created completely custom nodes from scratch. Loading this file caused a bunch of unwanted parts to show up in my nodes. I hand-changed the techID values and everything started behaving normally.
  
• It seems that a number of part names are incorrect, at least in 0.90. I'm not sure if they've changed. But this is causing various parts to not show up in nodes they're attached to. I don't have a comprehensive list, but for example Tree Editor uses "Large_Crewed_Lab", but I believe this is supposed to be "Large.Crewed.Lab". Is an update to the parts list in the works to fix these?
  

Edit: Actually I'm not sure about #2 above now. Although the part names are different in the .cfg file TED spits out compared with, say, one of the .cfg trees that come with Tech Manager, when I try to hand edit them in my file, they still don't seem to show up in the game! I have no idea why this would be. Any ideas?

The more I look at this, the more I think it's an issue with TechManager not TED though

Edited December 28, 2014 by sherkaner

[sherkaner]

Hope this tool is still being developed. I'm having some issues creating a tech tree for TechManager:

• Each node has a "techID" attribute which Tree Editor doesn't seem to populate properly. I found a bunch of stock-looking values in those, even though I had created completely custom nodes from scratch. Loading this file caused a bunch of unwanted parts to show up in my nodes. I hand-changed the techID values and everything started behaving normally.
  
• It seems that a number of part names are incorrect, at least in 0.90. I'm not sure if they've changed. But this is causing various parts to not show up in nodes they're attached to. I don't have a comprehensive list, but for example Tree Editor uses "Large_Crewed_Lab", but I believe this is supposed to be "Large.Crewed.Lab". Is an update to the parts list in the works to fix these?
  

Edit: Actually I'm not sure about #2 above now. Although the part names are different in the .cfg file TED spits out compared with, say, one of the .cfg trees that come with Tech Manager, when I try to hand edit them in my file, they still don't seem to show up in the game! I have no idea why this would be. Any ideas?

The more I look at this, the more I think it's an issue with TechManager not TED though

Okay, I think I've figured it out now. I think I simply screwed up when hand editing in "Large.Crewed.Lab" because that does in fact work. So then I started wondering if that underscore/period switch applied to other parts (which TM wasn't listing in its example files for some reason, like the mk2 cockpit). Turns out that it does. It seems like any part name that TED generates with an underscore won't actually work unless I change the underscore to a period. For example TED generates "mk2Cockpit_Standard", but TM only recognizes "mk2Cockpit.Standard".

Looking at the file names in the KSP directory, the underscore version looks correct to me so I'm not actually sure why TM is looking for periods. But nonetheless, that's how it is. I'm really hoping that you guys can work it out one way or the other so TED and TM work nicely together.

Edited December 28, 2014 by sherkaner

[sherkaner]

A bit of extra info on the above: While the underscore-to-period hand-edit workaround generally seems to do the trick, I can't seem to get the Mk3 Mk2 Adapter part (which by default has an underscore in TED's definition) either way... odd.

[sherkaner]

Oh and by the way, it would be fantastic if TED could use whatever logic KSP does to draw the arrows, so we can see how those will really look in-game. It's a pretty frustrating guessing game right now, when making a tree of any kind of complexity.

[Tarolrr]

Hi! I think I found how to resolve Shinsaka's problem with misplaced elements. When writing to TechManager config file, your editor uses system delimeters. In some languages it's, sadly, a comma (for example, russian). when i changed system delimeter to dot , the problem has gone. I think, it's a bug..

[sherkaner]

Another bit of feedback: I've found that the canvas that TED offers on which to create a tech tree is notably different sized than the actual available in-game canvas. It seems that the game's limits on X,Y coords is something like -4000-0, 0-2400 whereas TED's seems to be -3300-0, 0-2100. Also TED will allow negative Y values, which do not show up in the game at all.

[Nelien]

Quick post. I promise I will get back to all of you who posted here during my absence.

v0.2.4 is released!

This is mostly minor usability improvements and bug fixes. Keep in mind it's a minor update, despite the time between updates I haven't been working on TED much, so it's just a handful of fixes

Changelog.

v0.2.4 Alpha (2015-01-18)

- TechManager v1.5 support (hideIfNoBranch support)

- Added debug logging - Output will be stored in output.log next to the .exe

- Added node snapping - (Finally!)

- Now shows "[Modname] Part Name - (Original TechRequired: Original Cost)" in parts list

- TechId is now editable and not auto-generated

- Fixes to TechManager file saver - Now uses ModuleManager config

- This should mean more consistent part allocation when using many mods that edit tech requirements

>> TED - KSP Tech Tree Editor v0.2.4 Alpha <<

NOTE 1: Please backup your trees before using a new version!

The update should be fully backwards compatible (and automatically convert the file to any changes added in this version), but it's better to be safe than sorry!

NOTE 2: Now that 0.2.4 has logging support. Please attach your output.log (the TED one, not KSP one) to any bug reports if you can. You can find it right where you put the TED .exe.

[sherkaner]

Great, thanks!

[grosser_Salat]

Is this being develloped further? Does it work properly with 1.02? Or do we have an replacement meanwhile?

[nauspav]

PLS any update for 1.04.....

[rem0230]

Hi, i update for KSP 1.0.4... https://github.com/rem02/ksp-techtree-edit/releases

You can create a techtree and save in stock format or yongeTech format.

if i can, i update or fix bug

(I don't speak english, sorry)

[inigma]

@rem0230 any chance you could add double clicking on a part to add or remove from a node? moving my mouse to the button in the GUI every time can be quite the exercise with large part lists.

[Nelien]

Hi all!

First of all, thank you so much @rem0230 for maintaining TED! It means a huge amount to see interest in this project stick around in my absence. Thank you!

 

Now as for the future of TED in this iteration, well, to keep it short: There's no plans for any future support.

The project is open source and, as you have noticed, anyone can build on it and continue supporting it, I very much encourage it! But, I myself, will not be continuing working on it.

 

With that said, I don't rule out the idea of working on a similar project in the future. I'm playing with the idea of restarting this in Python, but no promises!

 

So for the longer story (for those of you who care to read this far): The reason I started this project in the first place was in part to try out a larger UI project in C#. I have since moved on from C# and to be frank was not a huge fan of the language and in particular it's UI templating framework. Now, professionally I'm actually a Python programmer so building this in Python would likely be much quicker than in C#, with the added bonus of being multi-platform (linux, windows, osx and potentially web). I really do think a tool like this is very needed for modders and players, there's a couple of really good tech tree mods out there but there could be so many more (and updated much easier) if only there was a tool to help the modders! The programmers and modellers both have their tools, now the tech tree designers need theirs...

[nightstalker101s]

https://github.com/NightStalker101s/ksp-techtree-edit/releases/tag/V0.4

I have fixed an issue where Squad stock parts were being listed as weird conjunctions of LOC and random numbers. It now correctly pulls the part name! I am not programmer, but I figured it would be simple and it was simple.

[nightstalker101s]

https://github.com/NightStalker101s/ksp-techtree-edit/releases

 

The issue wasn't actually fixed. It is fixed now and works wonderfully! I really appreciate the effort the original creator put in and I'm super excited to create my own tree finally! The changes forced me to learn C# (I have a small C++ background) and really improve my programming skills. I still couldn't follow his code though.

[AtleSt]

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Edited July 30, 2017 by AtleSt
i dunked up

[AtleSt]

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Edited August 2, 2017 by AtleSt
again

[LordOfMinecraft99]

Where does the setup extract to?

[linuxgurugamer]

On 11/2/2014 at 11:30 AM, Nertea said:

I like the single-letter for showing tech names, it's elegant, but there can be so many similar names that I might suggest the first two letters instead

I've adopted this program, new thread is here:

@Nertea I liked your suggestion, and improved on it

Pingig @nightstalker101s 

Edited January 25, 2020 by linuxgurugamer