[1.10.x] Mark IV Spaceplane System (August 3)

Ace_Of_Spades · June 7, 2015

does the current version work with 1.0.2? or do you have to update it? If the later how far along the process if at all are you?

Gryphon · June 8, 2015

does the current version work with 1.0.2? or do you have to update it? If the later how far along the process if at all are you?

It doesn't really work with 1.0.2 at this time. There's an unofficial ModuleManager patch that at least corrects the nodes, but not the modules. Nertea is working on an excellent new version of all the parts that looks even more awesome.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Gryphon
clarity

Ace_Of_Spades · June 8, 2015

It doesn't really work with 1.0.2 at this time. There's an unofficial ModuleManager patch that at least corrects the nodes, but not the modules. Nertea is working on an excellent new version of all the parts that looks even more awesome.

Thank you very much for the clarification.

Captain Sierra · June 8, 2015

What does 30% larger mean for the cargo bay internals? would a 3m part fit now? They look great, although the cockpit seems kinda long. I hope that doesn't mean you have to redo the IVA, they're so much work...

30% means your effective area is about 3.25m diameter. You have an additional 0.75m total to work with. Whether or not thats enough space to fit my tanker rovers is as of yet unclear. The IVA was already about 30% too big, which was part of the reasoning behind that choice. I'd love to see it go even bigger but you're starting to get into the realm of stuff that probably shouldnt be done in KSP with that.

Yokito Zumi · June 9, 2015

MKIV is one of those things that needs to be in the stock game, because its so much more useful than MK3 is for cargo.

DiamondHawk427 · June 10, 2015

WHEN IS THIS COMING FOR KSP 1.0?? oops, i forgot caps

Yokito Zumi · June 11, 2015

WHEN IS THIS COMING FOR KSP 1.0?? oops, i forgot caps

when its ready. patience.

linuxgurugamer · June 12, 2015

MKIV is one of those things that needs to be in the stock game, because its so much more useful than MK3 is for cargo.

why not look at OPT until the MKIV is ready?

Kerbas_ad_astra · June 12, 2015

why not look at OPT until the MKIV is ready?

OPT is great for wide cargo (which is a lot of things, to be fair -- rovers especially), but even the K fuselage can barely hold a 2.5m cylinder, and 3.75m is right out. I'm looking forward to the enlarged Mk IV so that I can carry things that are tall as well as wide.

linuxgurugamer · June 12, 2015

Would you like an enlarged cargo bay? It's not difficult to do, I could whip up a few different variations on the length pretty quickly. It's actually only copying a cfg file and changing 2 lines.

If so, just PM me. I can either do it as a new mod, or just get the files to you.

I just looked at OPT. I'm not sure it's necessary to make an enlarged bay, you can simply stack multiple bays on top of each other.

A shorter one may be desired, however.

Edited June 12, 2015 by linuxgurugamer

Kerbas_ad_astra · June 12, 2015

Would you like an enlarged cargo bay? It's not difficult to do, I could whip up a few different variations on the length pretty quickly. It's actually only copying a cfg file and changing 2 lines.
If so, just PM me. I can either do it as a new mod, or just get the files to you.
I just looked at OPT. I'm not sure it's necessary to make an enlarged bay, you can simply stack multiple bays on top of each other.
A shorter one may be desired, however.

I don't want longer or shorter cargo bays, I want thicker ones. Maybe this image will get across what I want:

The K cargo bay is on the left. It's 3.1 meters thick -- enough to accomodate a 2.5 m Rockomax tank, but not the 3.75 m tank. On the right, I have a Mark IV cargo bay, scaled up by 30% (as Nertea has indicated is the plan), which can hold a 3.75 m tank (though it's a bit tight -- 35% or 40% may be a little better).

And that's why I'm eagerly awaiting the Mark IV update, even though I already have OPT installed.

Yokito Zumi · June 13, 2015

why not look at OPT until the MKIV is ready?

Maybe because OTP is full of bees, Isnt optimized completely for 1.0.2 and The K Kargo ramp doesnt even work. as well as it not having DDS textures, its unfinished, and im waiting until its more stable.

megatiger78 · June 15, 2015

OPT? what is OPT?

salsathegeek · June 15, 2015

Orbital Portal Technologies. It's a spaceplane parts park that has some pretty cool wings and form-factors.

Gryphon · June 16, 2015

I've created a preliminary Module Manager config for updating the original (and current, for now) Mark IV parts to 1.0.2. I used the node information from the config created by Morgan, posted back a couple pages in this thread. I have added the bulkheadprofiles settings, removed the ModuleLiftingSurface modules (because apparently stock doesn't need it now), and updated the engine efficiency, max thrust, heat production, and IntakeAir ratio of engines, to match the updates to stock engines. For the Scimitar, I used the same velCurve and atmCurve as the stock RAPIER.

The bulkhead profile name I used is "mk4a," to avoid conflict with Nertea's upcoming replacement Mark IV parts, which he posted about recently.

I also have the following caveats:

I don't have prior experience with part configs or MM config files.

I did not attempt to create a velCurve or atmCurve for the Yellowjacket. (That's the KSP 1.0 way of characterizing engine performance through the flight envelope.)

I have not added custom drag cubes, though they might be appropriate for some parts, especially for the intakes.

I have not tested this with stock aerodynamics. It might be OK, though.

I have done basic testing of this config with FAR, which appears to voxelize correctly. I successfully flew a SSTO Mk IV craft on a suborbital flight.

So, please let me know if you have any issues with this. (Also, don't bug Nertea about it.) If it works for you with stock aero, please let me know that, too. If you have improvements, please add those, too.

Dropbox link


@PART[mk4nose]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -0.1029968, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@fuelCrossFeed = True
@bulkheadProfiles = size1
@thermalMassModifier = 4.0
@emissiveConstant = 0.95
}

@PART[mk4cockpit]
{
@TechRequired = heavyAerodynamics
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.655971, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = size1, mk4a
@MODULE[ModuleScienceExperiment]
	{
		usageReqMaskInternal = 5
		usageReqMaskExternal = -1
	}
!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4crew-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.070255, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4drone-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -0.1362425, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
@MODULE[ModuleSAS]
	SASServiceLevel = 3
}

@PART[mk4cargo-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.070835, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4cargo-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -3.236155, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
@node_stack_bottom2 = 0.0, -3.236155, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4cargo-tail-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.057139, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4scimitar]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0,-0.8541491, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1
	@MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]:HAS[#engineID[AirBreathing]]
	{
		powerEffectName = power_open
		@maxThrust = 220
		@heatProduction = 60
		@useVelocityCurve = False
		!velocityCurve
		@PROPELLANT[IntakeAir]
		{
			@ratio = 15
		}
		atmChangeFlow = True
		useVelCurve = True
		useAtmCurve = True
		velCurve
		{
			key = 0 1 0 0.08333334
			key = 0.2 0.98 0.42074 0.42074
			key = 0.7 1.8 2.290406 2.290406
			key = 1.4 4.00 3.887193 3.887193
			key = 3.75 8.5 0 0
			key = 4.5 7.3 -2.831749 -2.831749
			key = 5.5 3 -5.260566 -5.260566
			key = 6 0 -0.02420209 0
		}
		atmCurve
		{
			// higher thrust at altitude than even TRJ
			key = 0 0 0 0
			key = 0.018 0.09 7.914787 7.914787
			key = 0.08 0.3 1.051923 1.051923
			key = 0.35 0.5 0.3927226 0.3927226
			key = 1 1 1.055097 0
		}
	}
}
@PART[mk4yellowjacket]
{
bulkheadProfiles = srf
	@MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]
	{
		powerEffectName = power_open
		@maxThrust = 70
		@heatProduction = 80
		@useVelocityCurve = True
		@PROPELLANT[IntakeAir]
		{
			@ratio = 12
		}

	}

}

@PART[mk4adapter-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a, size2, size1
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4adapter-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a, size2
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.070255, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-lfo-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -3.224699, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-lfo-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -3.224699, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4mono-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -0.5355678, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4tail-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4tail-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.655971, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = size1, mk4a
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4pod-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom01 = 0.6215577, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@node_stack_bottom02 = -0.6215577, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1, srf
}

@PART[mk4pod-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom01 = 0.0, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@node_stack_bottom02 = 1.234182, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@node_stack_bottom03 = -1.234182, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1, srf
}

@PART[mk4nose-docking]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, 0.0828281, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1
}

@PART[mk4intake-radial-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom01 = 0.0, -1.462815, 0.2439967, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0,1
bulkheadProfiles = srf
}

Dropbox link

I don't know if I need this last bit, but just in case:

Licensing

The contents of this file are distributed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/.../4.0/legalcode).

You are free to share and adapt the materials only for non-commercial purposes and when providing appropriate attribution. Any derivatives must be distributed under the same license.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Gryphon
addings the links (thanks Nertea!)

Zapjohnny · June 16, 2015

I've created a preliminary Module Manager config for updating the original (and current, for now) Mark IV parts to 1.0.2. I used the node information from the config created by Morgan, posted back a couple pages in this thread. I have added the bulkheadprofiles settings, removed the ModuleLiftingSurface modules (because apparently stock doesn't need it now), and updated the engine efficiency, max thrust, heat production, and IntakeAir ratio of engines, to match the updates to stock engines. For the Scimitar, I used the same velCurve and atmCurve as the stock RAPIER.

The bulkhead profile name I used is "mk4a," to avoid conflict with Nertea's upcoming replacement Mark IV parts, which he posted about recently.

I also have the following caveats:

I don't have prior experience with part configs or MM config files.

I did not attempt to create a velCurve or atmCurve for the Yellowjacket. (That's the KSP 1.0 way of characterizing engine performance through the flight envelope.)

I have not added custom drag cubes, though they might be appropriate for some parts, especially for the intakes.

I have not tested this with stock aerodynamics. It might be OK, though.

I have done basic testing of this config with FAR, which appears to voxelize correctly. I successfully flew a SSTO Mk IV craft on a suborbital flight.

So, please let me know if you have any issues with this. (Also, don't bug Nertea about it.) If it works for you with stock aero, please let me know that, too. If you have improvements, please add those, too.


@PART[mk4nose]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -0.1029968, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@fuelCrossFeed = True
@bulkheadProfiles = size1
@thermalMassModifier = 4.0
@emissiveConstant = 0.95
}

@PART[mk4cockpit]
{
@TechRequired = heavyAerodynamics
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.655971, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = size1, mk4a
@MODULE[ModuleScienceExperiment]
    {
        usageReqMaskInternal = 5
        usageReqMaskExternal = -1
    }
!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4crew-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.070255, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4drone-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -0.1362425, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
@MODULE[ModuleSAS]
    SASServiceLevel = 3
}

@PART[mk4cargo-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.070835, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4cargo-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -3.236155, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
@node_stack_bottom2 = 0.0, -3.236155, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4cargo-tail-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.057139, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4scimitar]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0,-0.8541491, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1
    @MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]:HAS[#engineID[AirBreathing]]
    {
        powerEffectName = power_open
        @maxThrust = 220
        @heatProduction = 60
        @useVelocityCurve = False
        !velocityCurve
        @PROPELLANT[IntakeAir]
        {
            @ratio = 15
        }
        atmChangeFlow = True
        useVelCurve = True
        useAtmCurve = True
        velCurve
        {
            key = 0 1 0 0.08333334
            key = 0.2 0.98 0.42074 0.42074
            key = 0.7 1.8 2.290406 2.290406
            key = 1.4 4.00 3.887193 3.887193
            key = 3.75 8.5 0 0
            key = 4.5 7.3 -2.831749 -2.831749
            key = 5.5 3 -5.260566 -5.260566
            key = 6 0 -0.02420209 0
        }
        atmCurve
        {
            // higher thrust at altitude than even TRJ
            key = 0 0 0 0
            key = 0.018 0.09 7.914787 7.914787
            key = 0.08 0.3 1.051923 1.051923
            key = 0.35 0.5 0.3927226 0.3927226
            key = 1 1 1.055097 0
        }
    }
}
@PART[mk4yellowjacket]
{
bulkheadProfiles = srf
    @MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]
    {
        powerEffectName = power_open
        @maxThrust = 70
        @heatProduction = 80
        @useVelocityCurve = True
        @PROPELLANT[IntakeAir]
        {
            @ratio = 12
        }

    }

}

@PART[mk4adapter-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a, size2, size1
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4adapter-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a, size2
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.070255, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-lfo-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -3.224699, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4fuselage-lfo-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -3.224699, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4mono-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -0.5355678, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4tail-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.071142, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4tail-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.655971, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
bulkheadProfiles = size1, mk4a
    !MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface]
}

@PART[mk4pod-1]
{
@node_stack_bottom01 = 0.6215577, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@node_stack_bottom02 = -0.6215577, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1, srf
}

@PART[mk4pod-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom01 = 0.0, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@node_stack_bottom02 = 1.234182, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
@node_stack_bottom03 = -1.234182, -2.638397, 0.00, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1, srf
}

@PART[mk4nose-docking]
{
@node_stack_bottom = 0.0, 0.0828281, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
bulkheadProfiles = size1
}

@PART[mk4intake-radial-2]
{
@node_stack_bottom01 = 0.0, -1.462815, 0.2439967, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0,1
bulkheadProfiles = srf
}

How do you add this to the game? Can you add a download?

Gryphon · June 16, 2015

How do you add this to the game? Can you add a download?

My bad. It's pretty simple. Just create a text file named something.cfg. I used MkIV-A.cfg

Paste the contents of that code window into the file. Put the file somewhere in or under your KSP GameData directory, and Module Manager will pick it up. (I put mine under GameData\MarkIVSystem\Patches, just because I won't lose track of it there, but you might be more comfortable with it right in the GameData directory.

I'm not really set up to host the file somewhere, sorry.

Nertea · June 17, 2015

Gryphon, I made a cfg and threw it on Dropbox for ya . Feel free to link it from your post.

Faile · June 18, 2015

thanks for the cfg's folks, testing now

edit: now the cockpit is appearing again and comes into the SPH the right way forward, fuselage and tanks are still being loaded in "backwards", the @node_stack_bottom element is still needing tweaks?

Edited June 18, 2015 by Faile
tested

Nertea · June 21, 2015

Mmkay, development of this is occurring in the WIP thread at the moment. It's shiny, go have a looksee .

Gryphon · June 21, 2015

Gryphon, I made a cfg and threw it on Dropbox for ya . Feel free to link it from your post.

Thanks! edited.

DiamondHawk427 · June 24, 2015

1.0 update plz?

Captain Sierra · June 24, 2015

1.0 update plz?

See the WIP thread. Pack is currently in redesign since new Mk3 stuff partially invalidated it. New version will be able to lug 3.75m cans to space.

MarcAlain · July 24, 2015

I can't wait for the update. It's looking great so far!

Nertea · July 25, 2015

Here's our update, guys . I worked super hard on this, I hope you enjoy! Here are some new images to check things out:

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Changelog (but really it's all new stuff if you haven't been following the dev versions)

Remodel and retexture of all 1.x generation parts parts. Notable changes:
Increase in size of approximately 25% for all parts
Mk4 Cockpit and most adapters now have 1.25m attach nodes on each side to mount new shoulder pieces or standard 1.25m parts
Adapters have been reworked to different sizes due to size increases
Fuselages and cargo bays are now available in 1x, 2x and 4x sizes, with lengths matching Mk3 parts
Most fuel-containing parts can now switch fuels in the VAB (usually between LF, LF/O, LF/MP and LF/O/MP)
Service bay has been reworked, now carries less RCS fuel, but has openable hatches and is better for storage
Many parts are now hollow to work better with cargo stowage
Yellowjacket VTOL engine now has shroud, opens and closes when active/shutdown
New Parts:
KE-90 Turbofan Engine: 2.5m basic jet engine
KE-4 Turbojet Engine: 2.5m high performance engine
B.R.O.A.D.S.W.O.R.D Multimode Engine: 2.5m multimodal engine
Advanced Precooler
Heavy Engine Nacelle
Heavy Engine Nacelle XL
Large Turbofan Intake
Advanced Shock Intake
Mk4 Aerodynamic Shoulder
Mk4 Shoulder Intake
Mk4 Orbital Maneuvering Shoulder
Mk4 Ventral Cargo Bays (3 sizes)
Heavy RCS Blister

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