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Just watched Beverly Hills Cop IV on Netflix. Not a great movie (though not a terrible one) but man that soundtrack. Which is pretty much the soundtrack from the first movie. Including this song.

Anger and vitriol when those intentions - which are taken as promises - don't pan out. At least that's my experience.

I grew up loving space, and spaceflight. I saw Star Wars in the theater and parents today would be shocked at how young I was allowed to watch people shooting each other and blowing each other up. I was *just* old enough to enjoy it but not old enough to realize that yeah, the Stormtroopers executed Luke's aunt and uncle in cold blood and one of them was running away on fire when they died. By the time I was 10, I was reading hard sci fi like Asimov and Heinlein, and before I could drive I'd read the first 3 Dune books, and while those were all great what I really found myself drawn to were the ones with realistic space flight, where travel times and moving targets meant complicated trajectories and multi-hour or -day burns to both speed up and slow down. I devoured the first two of Niven's Ringworld books (the third turned me off early and I never finished it) the entire Heechee Saga by Fredrick Pohl (Again, I was too young for a lot of the themes the first time I read it, but I still loved it), and one of my favorites was The Integral Trees - again by Larry Niven. The Integral Trees is like a primer for orbital maneuver planning. It takes place in a ring of breathable air orbiting a star, where there is no ground and the "Integral trees" are up to 100 km long, and stay aimed at (and away from) the star by tidal forces, catching organic matter in their endpoints in the wind that blows by because that air is orbiting the star slower or faster than the tree itself. Amazing thought put into those things. And the people who lived in this "smoke ring" know how to navigate it, not because of orbital mechanics but because of a mantra: "East takes you Out, Out takes you West, West takes you In, In takes you East, Port and Starboard bring you back." They learned Orbital Mechanics not by studying the sky, but by living in it. Anyway mumblty-mumble years later, I'm watching this Minecraft player on YouTube and he starts a new series where little green Minions launch themselves into space or explode trying. I was instantly transfixed. What a PERFECT mix of silly goofy fun and real, honest to goodness orbital mechanics. A friend of mine said it best when he told me, "It's as if someone asked me to describe the perfect game for me, and then they made Kerbal Space Program." I didn't get a career because of this game, or decide to try to become an astronaut or rocket scientist. It didn't get me to look at the skies more (I already did that!) or appreciate the cosmos (I did that too). What it DID do was allow me to participate in it in a way that I never could before. It was tangible. I wasn't imagining what it was like to go to another planet. I was DOING IT. I'm going to be frank here: The failure of KSP2 isn't that big a deal to me personally (though for literally everybody involved on all the sides of everything I wish it had done better) because I always knew I wouldn't play it anywhere near how much I played the original. Apparently if you do something for 10 thousand hours, you're an expert at it. Well I'm an expert at Kerbal Space Program and KSP2 can't teach me much more about orbital mechanics. Sure it could have applied those orbital mechanics in a unique way, but I've reached the end of the learning curve and - for me - that learning curve (which was more like a learning precipice) was where I derived my enjoyment of the game. Now that I know how to do everything I wanted to learn from the game... it's a bit boring, if that isn't blasphemous to say. And it's okay that it bores me. I got TEN FREAKING THOUSAND HOURS before I got bored. I orbited through a Mun arch. I landed inside the Tylo cave. I used Tylo to get a better encounter of Tylo (something my brain still refuses to believe is reasonable). I've flown on Jool and glided a dragonfly across Duna. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. Oh wait wrong monologue. Anyway you get the idea. I've said before that really the only thing keeping me here is the community, but also tethering me to this forum the sheer mass of ten thousand hours of experiences that I can't really share with many other people than those here, and those who have left here never to be heard from again. So that's my KSP testimonial; what it is to me. It's not a game, really. It's a learning tool. The purpose of KSP to me was to learn how to play KSP and I did it. It took a hefty fraction of my life but I did it and now that I have all those skills... I don't really have much to do with them. Which is kinda sad when you think about it.

I don't know anyone who says you should watch those shows. Xena had Lucy Lawless so is inherently good, but yeah it was pretty campy. Hercules isn't worth the bandwidth to watch, even if the bandwidth is free. Though that does bring up TV shows, which I didn't even consider in my original post. So let's see... Lost - I decided in Season 1 (having not watched a single minute) that they had no idea where the show was going and were just making it up as they went. So glad I didn't bother, now that I know I was right. Star Trek Lower Decks - I watched 2 episodes, the pilot and the next episode after it. I only watched the 2nd one to make sure the pilot was bad but the show was good. It's way too "woo look at us we're in a cartoon!" for me. How I Met Your Mother - Pass. Big Bang Theory - Double Pass, because I won't watch Young Sheldon either.

We'll die in the cold darkness of space?

What beans are being spilled? The post you quoted or screen shot or whatever is an ad for KitHack which isn't exactly bean spilling.

And yet Earth still tries to squeeze into size 40000 jeans.

I've bookmarked this post and will chastise you on 2026-04-15 if the forum is still up. I won't congratulate you if it's down because - well - it'll be down. So I'll congratulate you now on being correct.

The trick comes down to identifying WHICH soldier.

Are you using mods? I don't know of a way in the stock game to launch into orbit and then create a maneuver node that will automatically set up a transfer, and no way to create a maneuver node and then discover later that it's 29 days in the future.

I'm so glad I wasn't drinking when I read this. I'd be cleaning my monitor now. Hey you people doing this because you love the game and want to donate your time and work to the cause, admit it you are trying to sabotage efforts to preserve it! If something as innocuous as putting a thread where it belongs causes conspiracy theories that even Mulder from X-Files would laugh at...

I can't speak for the community, but as one of its members I'll speak for me. Without this Forum I'll stop interacting with you all. I won't frequent Discord, Reddit, or any other site. I don't play KSP or KSP2 anymore and I don't generally visit sites or channels for games I don't play. KSP is actually a huge exception from that rule because I've barely played for years yet am still here.

What the actual fu...n time ruining ideas did they have making a sequel to a movie that DOES NOT NEED A SEQUEL WHAT THE WHAT ... Sorry you broke my brain for a second there. Yeah there's a movie I'm going to forget exists.

Why should you try a game where you build realistic-ish rockets and fly them into space without cartoony astronauts, when you stated you like a game where you build realistic-ish rockets and fly them into space with cartoony astronauts, but don't really like the cartoony astronauts? Dunno seemed like a slam dunk. Never mind then.

You should def. try Juno. It's KSP without Kerbals plus procedural parts.

Man from Earth is awesome. Def. get it off this list by watching it.

I'll watch this space for sure. I'll watch the space for pretty much any KSP-like game.

Not this commercial in particular but the song. THE SONG.

Naw they'd be cool with it. At least the reasonable ones. Me, I had tacos today and didn't feel the least bit bad.

Cthulhu Train

First Netflix, then Redbox (Still around but dying fast), now Best Buy, soon probably even places like Wal Mart will toss the DVD bin. I agree it's sad. I don't want to pay $8 to "rent" the ability to watch some obscure flick I just remembered. I want to *BUY* it for $3 from a bin.

Matrix had a Cube Monkey chosen one. In the Planetfall games you were the ship's janitor.

Wow okay so physical harm to others is better than selling a shoddy product. I'm checking out of this thread it's way too pitchforky in here.

Yeah definitely ruin his life because he cost you $50 that seems fair. Dude got fired you really want to kick him?

Okay then let's go specific with the locking doors example. If 100,000 robbers are in your neighborhood, don't knock on people's doors and tell them to watch out for Joe Smith because he might rob you!