Chatterer ate my baby!

[Daveroski]

I'm running with just a few mods.

Mk2 Expansion.

Alarm Clock

KER

RPM

Docking Assistant.

You know.. just the stuff that should be in vanilla.

And I normally have chatterer. It's so much a part of the experience that the game actually feels a bit dull without it now.

The thing is, I can't use chatterer now.

If I install it, my game crashes to desktop on the first attempt to play. If you are a stubborn old bugger like me, you will try again anyway and I did. It loaded my game but made my graphics funky.

When I removed the chatterer folder from Gamedata and started to play again, no problem, like it never happened.

I repeated it with the same results.

Now my question is this;

What is so different about chatterer that it can crash my game and make my graphics funky? What does it do that my other mods don't do?

I suspect it might be mono related but I'm a noob with linux.

Edited June 4, 2015 by Daveroski

[ZentroCatson]

I'm having the Same Five mods with others in my Save. It Works Fine for me. First, please up your Logs. With this issue, it may or may Not help, but it's a good thing to have. Also, whitch docking helper are you using? Navball docking alignment

indicator or Navyfish's One? Or a completely different One? If you are using the Navyfish one, try removing it

and keeping chatterer. I would recommend update your mods to the recent Version, if you already haven't. I hope I helped

somehow. Also sorry for misspelling some stuff, i'm writing on the IPad.

[Daveroski]

Thanks for the reply.

I'm using navyfish.

I use navyfish because it works well in IVA with RPM.

Navyfish on one monitor, DockingCam an another, it's just like being there. (Apart from the condensation, smell, constant fear of lowest bidder workmanship etc. )

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8eufpebnh267l2p/Player.log?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1e3naevbidmqjmn/KSP.log?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qovxq2127rxbafl/settings.cfg?dl=0

[ZentroCatson]

Ineresting, there are a couple system out of memory messages. Did you try playing without the Navyfish docking thingy? Can you recreate the error with only chatterer installed?

[Daveroski]

Ineresting, there are a couple system out of memory messages. Did you try playing without the Navyfish docking thingy? Can you recreate the error with only chatterer installed?

ok.

removed navyfish. installed chatterer. It even affects the first menu screen with the three kebals. The white seems to flash on and off.

Still crashes loading my save game.

Removed chatterer. all seems well.

Removed RPM and Alarm Clock next. Added chatterer. Same result as before Flashing whites on 'Start New - Load Game' screen. Load save game - CTD

Removed chatterer All seems well.

At what point do I start to suspect that the problem might be with chatterer?

New KSP Log https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmsnv7qph3piuoq/KSPnew.log?dl=0

New Player Log https://www.dropbox.com/s/ax9naez6hi2icav/Playernew.log?dl=0

Edited May 29, 2015 by Daveroski

[ZentroCatson]

Try installing an updated version of Chatterer for now, I'll take a closer look at the log.

[Daveroski]

Try installing an updated version of Chatterer for now, I'll take a closer look at the log.

Chattere 0.9.5 is the latest version. That is the one I have been trying.

[Daveroski]

I just uninstalled KSP - deleted the directory and reinstalled.

I ran it. Fine no probs.

Installed just chatterer.

Tried to start a new game. Set the new game up and pressed start.

CTD. Didn't even see mission control.

Then got rid of chatterer. Installed EVE.

Ran it and loaded the new game that chatterer crashed trying to play.

It loaded, I have clouds.

So maybe it's something to do with sound. All other mods tried seem to work ok. Chatterer is the only mod I have that works with sound.

That being the case which bit of my Linux Mint setup is chatterer likely having problems with?

[steve_v]

Very, very odd. I run chatterer on Debian Jessie and very similar (though slightly slower) hardware without issue. The only sound related difference I can think of is that I habitually rip pulseaudio and all it's components out of a new install. You might try that I guess.

I would expect chatterer just uses the same sound output path as the rest of KSP though, so why it crashes the game is a mystery. Anything interesting on STDOUT if you run it from a shell? Anything in your system logs?

[ZentroCatson]

Actually, I have OSX running. But both are petty similar, so I tought I could help. It seems like this is a very strange bug. Maybe someone else had this?

[Daveroski]

Is it possible that the problem could be with pulseaudio?

I understand that many veteran linux users rip it out of their distros.

Is there anything that needs it like VLC maybe? Would I lose any functionality if I removed it?

Why do I need it? Would it break anything if I removed it?

[steve_v]

I've never really understood the appeal of pulse, or any of the other 'potteringware' that seems to be taking over GNU/Linux these days (systemd, I'm looking at you, and you're next on the hit list).

I don't have any issues running without it, though I understand it's more closely integrated with GNOME/Unity than my favored KDE desktop.

You may loose: the taskbar volume control applet (there are replacements), remote audio (who uses this anyway?) Text to speech at the login prompt (I assume you're not blind) and maybe bluetooth audio & fancy headset support. Shouldn't break anything important, but then I don't know how much of your distro is compiled against it.

If you use gstreamer, you'll need to install an alternative (alsa) sink for desktop sounds/gnome applications etc. to work.

Pretty much everything can use ALSA directly, without pulseaudio, but again - it depends how it was compiled.

Edited May 31, 2015 by steve_v

[Daveroski]

I've never really understood the appeal of pulse, or any of the other 'potteringware' that seems to be taking over GNU/Linux these days (systemd, I'm looking at you, and you're next on the hit list).

I don't have any issues running without it, though I understand it's more closely integrated with GNOME/Unity than my favored KDE desktop.

You may loose: the taskbar volume control applet (there are replacements), remote audio (who uses this anyway?) Text to speech at the login prompt (I assume you're not blind) and maybe bluetooth audio & fancy headset support. Shouldn't break anything important, but then I don't know how much of your distro is compiled against it.

If you use gstreamer, you'll need to install an alternative (alsa) sink for desktop sounds/gnome applications etc. to work.

Pretty much everything can use ALSA directly, without pulseaudio, but again - it depends how it was compiled.

Then mine right eye offends me!

[Daveroski]

And I broke my linux.

Cinnamon hates it if you remove pulseaudio.

Cinnamon id actually a dependant of pulseaudio.

Still the good news is I'm learning all about apt.

Got my system the way it was. It is now fully updated.

Chatterer still Crashes To Desktop when I try to load in a savegame.

What do you guys think? Proprietary Drivers for my graphics card? or stick with edgers?

I miss chatterer and I really want to find what the problem is.

[sal_vager]

Edgers provides the proprietary driver, repackaged to work properly in *buntu/Mint, the open source driver is mesa/gallium

Starting KSP with padsp should work around alsa/pulse issues as it forces pulse to use oss instead.

[Daveroski]

Edgers provides the proprietary driver, repackaged to work properly in *buntu/Mint, the open source driver is mesa/gallium

Starting KSP with padsp should work around alsa/pulse issues as it forces pulse to use oss instead.

So if I have the latest driver from Edgers, I should have the latest driver?

What is padsp and how do I start KSP with it?

[Daveroski]

I have a duel boot system. On my windows version of KSP chatterer seems to work ok. However on my windows version I'm constantly waiting for the GUI in VAB to catch up when I click on an item. Click an item to install and wait a couple of seconds for the item to be picked up by the cursor. Drop an item into the items list and wait a couple of seconds for it to let go.

Is this a known bug?

I want chatterer to work on my linux. I spend most of my time on linux now.

[Kaa253]

Very sorry to hear you are having sound troubles. Probably not very helpful to you but I have no problems with chatterer so I just checked my system. I run kubuntu (so KDE) but I am assured that Mint is excellent so I am not suggesting you change. Looking at what sound stuff I have installed I am shocked to find that I have all of pulseaudio, alsa and phonon-gstreamer-backend! However, that may be normal . With my limited understanding of how this mess all works together I am not sure what is being used by KSP but I think the phonon-gstreamer-backend is the channel that KSP has found to use. Phonon is something KDE (I think?) so for mint you might want to try whatever flavour of gstreamer suits your distro (so steve_v's advice seems good). Good luck!

[Daveroski]

It's Steam.

If I run KSP without Steam, Chatterer loads and works.

If I run KSP through Steam (Overlay on or off) it crashes when I install chatterer.

Oh and Sal, Don't forget. I want to know about Padsp.

[sal_vager]

Padsp? It's the pulse audio OSS wrapper, if you have a program that won't work with pulse you can make pulse redirect the audio stream to an OSS compatible device, ie your soundcard.

It's as simple as "padsp ./KSP.x86"

"padsp %command%" might work in Steam.

[Kaa253]

It's Steam.

If I run KSP without Steam, Chatterer loads and works.

If I run KSP through Steam (Overlay on or off) it crashes when I install chatterer.

Oh and Sal, Don't forget. I want to know about Padsp.

Interesting. Actually I cannot get the Steam client thing to run at all as it is incompatible 32 bit.

[sal_vager]

It should work, but don't use the one in the repos as it's out of date, get it from the Steam website.

gDebi will install it and handle dependencies, and if you start it via the terminal you should see what causes it to fail if it still doesn't work for you.

[Kaa253]

Thanks for the info sal_vager. I gave up on the Steam client (downloaded directly from Steam) about a year ago. I didn't know about gDebi and perhaps that would work. I believe some improvement has arrived for multiarch over the past year also.

I found at the time that while installing 32 bit dependencies allowed Steam to run it was also causing havoc with the pre-existing 64 bit counterpart libraries and such. As my KSP purchase was directly from Squad (since just before the Steam version release?) and as KSP is my one and only game, I have nothing to really motivate me to get Steam working correctly. If Steam do a proper 64 bit version I will try again. Until then I can check out what's new on Steam with a browser just fine.

Let me say, I cannot express enough my thanks sal_vager for your continuing and excellent assistance for linux users over the last ~2 years that I have been playing KSP. Your advice here on gDebi may be invaluable to someone who really needs to get Steam working. Sorry, I think I digress from the OP's sound problem .

[Athlonic]

It's Steam.

If I run KSP without Steam, Chatterer loads and works.

If I run KSP through Steam (Overlay on or off) it crashes when I install chatterer.

Oh and Sal, Don't forget. I want to know about Padsp.

Glad you got it sorted, strange cause though