Is this alternate solar system possible?

[fredinno]

6 hours ago, Spaceception said:

Jupiter same (OTL)

Laythe

Mass 9.3 Moons | Radii 3286 km | Temp 20 c| Tidally locked | .43 gees  (It wouldn't let me change its radius) | Atm pressure 7.8 Atm (Hey, it's a survivable pressure, and you wanted 20 c) | Albedo .24 | Magnetic field .2 Gauss | Materials Iron 19.8%, Silicate 80.1%, Water 0.0943%, Organics 0.04% |

Callisto

Mass 1.46 moons | Radii 2507 km | Temp -30 c | 8 hour day/night cycle | .12 gees (I couldn't change its radius) | Albedo .21 | Materials Silicate 82.1% Water 17.8%, Organics 0.1%

Also, I have 2 screenshots (Laythe looked really blue)

 

And the composition of Callstillo is wrong. It's supposed to be like in OTL, which means it's probably more like this: http://www.space.com/16448-callisto-facts-about-jupiters-dead-moon.html

50% water and 50% rocky stuff.

 

I'd say Laythe probably has a LOT more water due to where it formed, more like 20% water, 65% Silicates, and 15% Iron. Honestly, giving it land at all was my mistake.

 

And hopefullyI actually get something on this done today, after so much delay!

 

[Findthepin1]

On February 5, 2016 at 9:02 PM, fredinno said:

And the composition of Callstillo is wrong. It's supposed to be like in OTL, which means it's probably more like this: http://www.space.com/16448-callisto-facts-about-jupiters-dead-moon.html

50% water and 50% rocky stuff.

 

I'd say Laythe probably has a LOT more water due to where it formed, more like 20% water, 65% Silicates, and 15% Iron. Honestly, giving it land at all was my mistake.

 

And hopefullyI actually get something on this done today, after so much delay!

 

Wowowow, wait. You know how Io has no ice? It's too close to the planet and the radiation took it away I assume. Laythe doesn't seem to have been able to form in its original position either, due to its mass. Here's my take on the history of it:

Jupiter may have originally had a collection of Galilean moons. For simplicity and the sake of the scenario, we'll call them Io, Europa, and Ganymede. Those are just what I'm calling them in this scenario, even though we already have a Europa in the solar system. Like ours with one difference: Ganymede's orbit was switched with Europa's, and Europa, Io and Ganymede were both significantly more massive, say 3 or so moon masses each. You see, in OTL Io used to have ice when it formed, and was likely the most massive of the Galileans (the rocky part of Ganymede is less massive than the whole of Io) and the ice boiled off being too close to Jupiter. What I think happened in this timeline was: Io and Ganymede collided early in their history, and then the new large moon absorbed or ejected the remaining material around it, including Europa. Then most of the ice boiled away because of all the collisions. Since the orbit of the large moon was now between OTL's Io and Europa, most of what little ice was left was boiled away by the radiation while volcanism from tidal influences added stuff like nitrogen and CO2 to the atmosphere. The radiation also split the ice into hydrogen and oxygen, the former mostly escaping from proto-Laythe and the latter being heavy enough to stay in the atmosphere. Callisto was relatively unaffected by all this because it is so far away. This also means Laythe would have lots of sulphur in it.

K, I gotta go I have school 2morrow and I gotta go thanks gonna check back on this in about 11 or 8 hours.

Edited February 7, 2016 by Findthepin1
i can grammar good

[Spaceception]

I updated the Jupiter system, and did Saturn

Laythe

Mass 9.3 Moons | Radii 3538 km | Temp 20 c | Tidally locked | Atm pressure 7.8 | .37 gees | Magnetic field .13 Gauss | Albedo .20 | Materials Iron 42.2% Silicate 43% Water 14.7% Organics 0.00295% |

Callisto

Mass 1.46 Moons | Radii 2510 km | Temp -51 c | Day/night cycle, 18 days | .12 gees | Albedo .20 | Materials Iron 69.4% Water 30.65 (It was the only way I could get the gravity close to real life) |

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Enceladus

Mass .18 Moons | Radii 1219 km | Temp -231 c | Day/night cycle 32 days | 0.06 gees | Albedo .98 | Materials Iron 78.7% Water 21.1% Organics 0.171%

Titan

Mass 0.06 Earths | Radii 3311 km | Temp -185c | Day/night  cycle 26.4 days | Atm pressure 2 | .22 gees | Magnetic field 0.08 Gauss | Albedo .30 | Materials Iron 44.3% SIlicate 55% Water 0.0374% Organics 0.0357% |

Iaptus

Same OTL

[fredinno]

15 hours ago, Findthepin1 said:

18 hours ago, fredinno said:

 

Wowowow, wait. You know how Io has no ice? It's too close to the planet and the radiation took it away I assume. Laythe doesn't seem to have been able to form in its original position either, due to its mass. Here's my take on the history of it:

Oh ok, then. Maybe I can keep it, but the islands Laythe has are useless, and pretty much just there for décor on Laythe right now. Land on them, and you'll face the same fate as Mrs. Miller on her planet..

 

15 hours ago, Findthepin1 said:

Wowowow, wait. You know how Io has no ice? It's too close to the planet and the radiation took it away I assume. Laythe doesn't seem to have been able to form in its original position either, due to its mass. Here's my take on the history of it:

Jupiter may have originally had a collection of Galilean moons. For simplicity and the sake of the scenario, we'll call them Io, Europa, and Ganymede. Those are just what I'm calling them in this scenario, even though we already have a Europa in the solar system. Like ours with one difference: Ganymede's orbit was switched with Europa's, and Europa, Io and Ganymede were both significantly more massive, say 3 or so moon masses each. You see, in OTL Io used to have ice when it formed, and was likely the most massive of the Galileans (the rocky part of Ganymede is less massive than the whole of Io) and the ice boiled off being too close to Jupiter. What I think happened in this timeline was: Io and Ganymede collided early in their history, and then the new large moon absorbed or ejected the remaining material around it, including Europa. Then most of the ice boiled away because of all the collisions. Since the orbit of the large moon was now between OTL's Io and Europa, most of what little ice was left was boiled away by the radiation while volcanism from tidal influences added stuff like nitrogen and CO2 to the atmosphere. The radiation also split the ice into hydrogen and oxygen, the former mostly escaping from proto-Laythe and the latter being heavy enough to stay in the atmosphere. Callisto was relatively unaffected by all this because it is so far away. This also means Laythe would have lots of sulphur in it.

 

FYI to everyone: Callisto is spelled Callisto.

K, I gotta go I have school 2morrow and I gotta go thanks gonna check back on this in about 11 or 8 hours.

OK. Wait, Spaceeption changed it already?

Damn, Sorry. Could you change it back again? Maybe keep 0.1-0.15% water though.

6 hours ago, Spaceception said:

I updated the Jupiter system, and did Saturn

Laythe

Mass 9.3 Moons | Radii 3538 km | Temp 20 c | Tidally locked | Atm pressure 7.8 | .37 gees | Magnetic field .13 Gauss | Albedo .20 | Materials Iron 42.2% Silicate 43% Water 14.7% Organics 0.00295% |

Callisto

Mass 1.46 Moons | Radii 2510 km | Temp -51 c | Day/night cycle, 18 days | .12 gees | Albedo .20 | Materials Iron 69.4% Water 30.65 (It was the only way I could get the gravity close to real life) |

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Enceladus

Mass .18 Moons | Radii 1219 km | Temp -231 c | Day/night cycle 32 days | 0.06 gees | Albedo .98 | Materials Iron 78.7% Water 21.1% Organics 0.171%

Titan

Mass 0.06 Earths | Radii 3311 km | Temp -185c | Day/night  cycle 26.4 days | Atm pressure 2 | .22 gees | Magnetic field 0.08 Gauss | Albedo .30 | Materials Iron 44.3% SIlicate 55% Water 0.0374% Organics 0.0357% |

Iaptus

Same OTL

Gravity isn't important. If you need to change the composition values so its more like OTL, then change the Gs. So yeah, Ice=50%, Silicates=35 and iron=15% for Callsillo.

I wonder if the magnetic field is strong enough to deflect the Radiation Belts of Jupiter. Hmm, I'll look into it.

 

Is Enceledus an upscaled version of its stock version in the program? I can't find any stats for that moon's composition. I am wondering though, why does it have organics? and it should have silicates too. However, the water percentage seems reasonable.

And I think Titan's compostition is wrong...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)#Bulk_characteristics

 

[silversliver]

Do you remember when I said

On ‎24‎/‎01‎/‎2016 at 2:26 PM, silversliver said:

Next will be the moons of the gas giants. Hilarity may ensue.

That' what happened today while I was making Laythe. Note the tempearature. Also note the light reflected on Jupiter.

Basically this happened because I forgot to change Laythe's classification from a Planet to a Moon, so it was considered a planet of Jupiter.

See you next time from the Outer Space, where strange things happens.......

[ChrisSpace]

3 hours ago, silversliver said:

That' what happened today while I was making Laythe. Note the tempearature. Also note the light reflected on Jupiter.

I think your Death Star was just slightly too weak this time...

[Spaceception]

13 hours ago, silversliver said:

Do you remember when I said

That' what happened today while I was making Laythe. Note the tempearature. Also note the light reflected on Jupiter.

Basically this happened because I forgot to change Laythe's classification from a Planet to a Moon, so it was considered a planet of Jupiter.

See you next time from the Outer Space, where strange things happens.......

How the 'hell' did that happen!? It's practically a tiny star!

15 hours ago, fredinno said:

OK. Wait, Spaceeption changed it already?

Damn, Sorry. Could you change it back again? Maybe keep 0.1-0.15% water though.

Gravity isn't important. If you need to change the composition values so its more like OTL, then change the Gs. So yeah, Ice=50%, Silicates=35 and iron=15% for Callsillo.

I wonder if the magnetic field is strong enough to deflect the Radiation Belts of Jupiter. Hmm, I'll look into it.

 

Is Enceledus an upscaled version of its stock version in the program? I can't find any stats for that moon's composition. I am wondering though, why does it have organics? and it should have silicates too. However, the water percentage seems reasonable.

And I think Titan's compostition is wrong...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)#Bulk_characteristics

 

Sure, on Monday, when I have time, I'll also do Ur-anus

Btw, I won't be on here much (Or at all) today, and possibly tomorrow.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Spaceception

[silversliver]

11 hours ago, ChrisSpace said:

I think your Death Star was just slightly too weak this time...

How do you know this? No one should know of my Death Star! I need to hide it better.

 

However there's something strange I noticed with Laythe.On the first post you wrote

However, due to tidal locking, its vast oceans are pushed to the poles, leaving behind the land in islands clustered near the equator.

It shouldn't be the other way? The ocean should be pushed toward the equator due to the gravitational force also it should be clustered on the facing side toward Jupiter, courtesy of the tidal locking.

[ChrisSpace]

9 hours ago, silversliver said:

However there's something strange I noticed with Laythe.On the first post you wrote

However, due to tidal locking, its vast oceans are pushed to the poles, leaving behind the land in islands clustered near the equator.

It shouldn't be the other way? The ocean should be pushed toward the equator due to the gravitational force also it should be clustered on the facing side toward Jupiter, courtesy of the tidal locking.

I think that was Freddinno's idea, so blame him.

[fredinno]

On 2/6/2016 at 5:22 AM, silversliver said:

How do you know this? No one should know of my Death Star! I need to hide it better.

 

However there's something strange I noticed with Laythe.On the first post you wrote

However, due to tidal locking, its vast oceans are pushed to the poles, leaving behind the land in islands clustered near the equator.

It shouldn't be the other way? The ocean should be pushed toward the equator due to the gravitational force also it should be clustered on the facing side toward Jupiter, courtesy of the tidal locking.

Everybody knows where it is. It's Mimas.

No, http://www.esri.com/news/arcuser/0610/nospin.html

also, Titan proves this hypothesis:http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/748963main_pia16849-full_full.jpg

The water first gets pushed to the poles. Then, as the moon becomes tidally locked, the rock beneath it rises up due to the gravitational pull of the parent body.

[silversliver]

4 hours ago, fredinno said:

Everybody knows where it is. It's Mimas.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Update solar system (0.2):https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddbh09f2o3xtw2r/alternatesolar%200.2.zip?dl=0

Changelog:

-Fixed various masses and atmospheres

-Vulcan is now tidal locked

-Added Jupiter system

IMPORTANT

-The density of Bellona is unrealistic due to mass/radius inconsistency

-The moon orbit and mass is still WIP. Pressure now at 0.7 atm.

-Venus atmosphere results 170km but it's a GUI bug, actually is 70km

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Let's go to Jupiter.

 

 

[Spaceception]

1 hour ago, silversliver said:

[Snip]

That looks amazing, awesome job

Edited February 8, 2016 by Spaceception

[Findthepin1]

6 hours ago, silversliver said:

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Update solar system (0.2):https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddbh09f2o3xtw2r/alternatesolar%200.2.zip?dl=0

Changelog:

-Fixed various masses and atmospheres

-Vulcan is now tidal locked

-Added Jupiter system

IMPORTANT

-The density of Bellona is unrealistic due to mass/radius inconsistency

-The moon orbit and mass is still WIP. Pressure now at 0.7 atm.

-Venus atmosphere results 170km but it's a GUI bug, actually is 70km

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Let's go to Jupiter.

 

 

Laythe has a lot more land than I expected, if all of the land is useless there must be another reason besides the tides. Would it be volcanic?

If there was enough volcanic activity, that would make the air unbreathable because of CO2 and SO2 etc. from the volcanoes regardless of oxygen content, it would likely release some kind of super greenhouse gas (volcanoes emit some weird stuff), it would provide energy to life in the oceans, and it would create volcanic mountain chains( like the Hawaiian Islands but entirely on land) which in some cases could block tidal waves from reaching inland. You could lessen the atmosphere because you won't need as much to heat the moon up. So if volcanic activity exists, you can likely see habitable land areas and life in the oceans, but you'd never be able to breathe the air. 

Edited February 8, 2016 by Findthepin1

[ChrisSpace]

6 hours ago, silversliver said:

Update solar system (0.2):https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddbh09f2o3xtw2r/alternatesolar%200.2.zip?dl=0

Everything is brilliant, except for:

- Venus' atmospheric thickness and surface temperature

- Luna's size and mass, also it shouldn't be tidally locked. It needs to have a rotation similar to Earth's, 20-30 hours long.

- Mars is too cold, and it needs more atmosphere, somewhere between 0.7 and 1.0 times Earth's

- Minerva is too cold, and it needs more atmosphere, I was thinking the surface pressure would actually be slightly higher than Earth's

- Laythe is too cold, and needs more atmosphere. Also Laythe is supposed to have marine life

I see that you're already working on some of these problems, so that's good.

[silversliver]

18 hours ago, Findthepin1 said:

Laythe has a lot more land than I expected, if all of the land is useless there must be another reason besides the tides. Would it be volcanic?

If there was enough volcanic activity, that would make the air unbreathable because of CO2 and SO2 etc. from the volcanoes regardless of oxygen content, it would likely release some kind of super greenhouse gas (volcanoes emit some weird stuff), it would provide energy to life in the oceans, and it would create volcanic mountain chains( like the Hawaiian Islands but entirely on land) which in some cases could block tidal waves from reaching inland. You could lessen the atmosphere because you won't need as much to heat the moon up. So if volcanic activity exists, you can likely see habitable land areas and life in the oceans, but you'd never be able to breathe the air. 

I pictured that even if volcanic mountains forms they'll be quickly destroyed by the erosion of the waves. Volcanic rock is notoriously weak against water, check the various volcanic island in this last 100 years that quickly(days) emerged and quickly(months) were destroyed.

17 hours ago, ChrisSpace said:

Everything is brilliant, except for:

- Venus' atmospheric thickness and surface temperature

- Luna's size and mass, also it shouldn't be tidally locked. It needs to have a rotation similar to Earth's, 20-30 hours long.

- Mars is too cold, and it needs more atmosphere, somewhere between 0.7 and 1.0 times Earth's

- Minerva is too cold, and it needs more atmosphere, I was thinking the surface pressure would actually be slightly higher than Earth's

- Laythe is too cold, and needs more atmosphere. Also Laythe is supposed to have marine life

I see that you're already working on some of these problems, so that's good.

1)As I said Venus' atmosphere is actually 70km even if it says 170km.

2)As I said I can't properly simulate the temperatures.

I'll fix the atmospheres and add life to Laythe.

[Spaceception]

Okay, I didn't have time to do Uranus today, but tomorrow morning, I'll try to get to it, and (Probably unlikely) Neptune as well.

[Spaceception]

Time for Uranus!

Uranus: Same OTL save for the rings.

Miranda:

Mass 0.0009 Moons | Radii 320 km | Temp -215 c | 0.0044 g | Albedo .27 | Materials Iron 2.48%, Silicate 22.3%, Water 75.1%, Organics 0.08% |

Ariel:

Mass 0.018 Moons | Radii 748 km | Temp -50 c | 0.0161 g | Albedo .39 | Materials Iron 4.94%, Silicate 44.5%, Water 50.6% |

Umbriel:

Mass 0.015 Moons | Radii 726 km | Temp -36 c | 0.0142 g | Albedo .10 | Materials Iron 4.98%, Silicate 44.8% Water 50.2% |

Titania:

Mass 0.0496 Moons | Radii 1000 km | Temp -214 c | 0.0248 g | Albedo .27 | 0.0000000000996 Atm | Materials Iron 4.06%, Silicate 52.1%, Water 43.9% |

Oberon:

Mass 0.04 Moons | Radii 777 km | Temp -213 c | 0.0332 g | Albedo .23 | Materials Iron 12.1%, Silicate 87.8% Water 0.0605% (TO give it the appearance of water cryovolcanoes filling flat areas with water) |

[fredinno]

Hi guys, I'll be comeing back in a while, but bear with me for a minute. Sorry Spaceception! Sorry ChrisSpace! Sorry SilverSilver!

[Spaceception]

Bump

[Findthepin1]

2 hours ago, Spaceception said:

Bump

As far as I can tell, the solar system is basically done. There aren't any major modifications left to make to have the science work properly. 

Edited February 15, 2016 by Findthepin1

[fredinno]

2 hours ago, Spaceception said:

26 minutes ago, Findthepin1 said:

As far as I can tell, the solar system is basically done. There aren't any major modifications left to make to have the science work properly. 

Bump

Nope, I still haven't looked stuff over, and we still have to do nibiru. I'm just really slow at getting back on track, which sucks since I'm such an important part of this.
 

And ChrisSpace and I have been working on this thing's storyline via PM. I'll invite everyone to the discussion once I get permission.

BTW, I'm Fredinno- just on a temp account.

[Spaceception]

6 hours ago, Ian Brandon Anderson said:

Nope, I still haven't looked stuff over, and we still have to do nibiru. I'm just really slow at getting back on track, which sucks since I'm such an important part of this.
 

And ChrisSpace and I have been working on this thing's storyline via PM. I'll invite everyone to the discussion once I get permission.

BTW, I'm Fredinno- just on a temp account.

Why do you need a temporary account?

[Spaceception]

Good news, hopefully by Friday or Saturday, I'll be able to get Neptune, and any problems you guys have with Jupiter and Saturn, Also, what do you guys want with Nibiru?

[fredinno]

7 hours ago, Spaceception said:

Why do you need a temporary account?

Reasons.

[silversliver]

The tour go on to Saturn

Download:https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnu1rwg5m0mn5dj/alternatesolar%200.3.zip?dl=0

Changelog:

-fixed various atmospheres

-added life to laythe

-changed Vulcan's tail to a more realistic dust tail

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Images, what images?